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Fred Hink
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Post by Fred Hink » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:44 am

I m sorry to say that Digger has dug himself into a hole. Unless he wants to come up and see the light, we won t be hearing from him again. This list does not tolerate attacks on list members. Otherwise, Those that live by the sword will die by the sword.... Fred List Admin. From: fw189uhu Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:50 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. Digger
--- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPhone > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

JAMES BUCK
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Post by JAMES BUCK » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:03 am

And Criswell's snark will, undoubtedly, continue......
On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:44 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: > I m sorry to say that Digger has dug himself into a hole. Unless he wants to come up and see the light, we won t be hearing from him again. This list does not tolerate attacks on list members. > > Otherwise, Those that live by the sword will die by the sword.... > > Fred > List Admin. > > From: fw189uhu > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:50 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. > > As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. > > Digger > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Fred Hink
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Post by Fred Hink » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:22 pm

As list moderator, I m damned if I do and damned if I don t make comment about this issue. Mr. Buck and I have settled our differences off line and I suggest anyone else that has a problem with another list member or anything personal in nature to do the same. Just to refresh everyone on why we are here, this list is about the free dissemination of information concerning the KLR and other motorcycle related banter. NKLR comments will be allowed but not personal attacks. Seems reasonable to me. If not, let me know. Fred List Admin. From: James Buck Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:03 AM To: mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? And Criswell's snark will, undoubtedly, continue......
On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:44 AM, "Fred Hink" mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net> wrote: > I m sorry to say that Digger has dug himself into a hole. Unless he wants to come up and see the light, we won t be hearing from him again. This list does not tolerate attacks on list members. > > Otherwise, Those that live by the sword will die by the sword.... > > Fred > List Admin. > > From: fw189uhu > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:50 PM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. > > As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. > > Digger > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

w
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Post by w » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:24 pm

So, what does Digger need to do to "come up and see the light"? I thought his post on first-aid options was a thoughtful and useful contribution. "I" may not carry all the items he lists, but from his offering I found several items that I had not considered. I guess it is up to the reader to "take from it what you will". Reading through the discussion, it did seem that some listers could only reply by picking his post apart, and questioning his integrity in relating HIS real life experiences. I know "STFU" is not appropriate, but I can imagine his frustration in posting a useful contribution, and having his credibility questioned. Obviously, I don't know how the conversation went for Digger getting booted. Maybe a reprimand, but hopefully an invitation to participate with a better understanding of the "terms of use"...
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > I m sorry to say that Digger has dug himself into a hole. Unless he wants to come up and see the light, we won t be hearing from him again. This list does not tolerate attacks on list members. > > Otherwise, Those that live by the sword will die by the sword.... > > Fred > List Admin. > > > From: fw189uhu > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:50 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > > Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. > > As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. > > Digger > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Fred Hink
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Post by Fred Hink » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:40 pm

Did I say he was booted? His comments were offensive and against the list rules. Just because he posts a message you like doesn t give him rights to do what he did. This is a public forum and I would ask those here to treat each other with the respect that they would want. If you ask a question, you should be able to handle the answers that you get. They may not be what you wanted to hear or expected but you should not tell that person to shut up just because you don t agree with what they have to say. If you have thin skin, you may feel better by not participating in public forums. If Digger wants to apologize for his outburst, I can take him off moderated status and we can all move on. It s his choice. Don t we have anything better to talk about here than what someone else said? Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: W Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:23 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? So, what does Digger need to do to "come up and see the light"? I thought his post on first-aid options was a thoughtful and useful contribution. "I" may not carry all the items he lists, but from his offering I found several items that I had not considered. I guess it is up to the reader to "take from it what you will". Reading through the discussion, it did seem that some listers could only reply by picking his post apart, and questioning his integrity in relating HIS real life experiences. I know "STFU" is not appropriate, but I can imagine his frustration in posting a useful contribution, and having his credibility questioned. Obviously, I don't know how the conversation went for Digger getting booted. Maybe a reprimand, but hopefully an invitation to participate with a better understanding of the "terms of use"...
--- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > I m sorry to say that Digger has dug himself into a hole. Unless he wants to come up and see the light, we won t be hearing from him again. This list does not tolerate attacks on list members. > > Otherwise, Those that live by the sword will die by the sword.... > > Fred > List Admin. > > > From: fw189uhu > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:50 PM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > > Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. > > As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. > > Digger > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Warren Bacus
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Post by Warren Bacus » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:36 pm

I now see that you CC'd the group on your reply to me. So, I have forwarded my response to the group as well. If you felt the need to "set me straight", I think it would have been more "respectful" for you to do so off-board. You chose differently, so my reply to you, and the group, stands as written. ________________________________ From: Fred Hink To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; W Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? Did I say he was booted? His comments were offensive and against the list rules. Just because he posts a message you like doesn t give him rights to do what he did. This is a public forum and I would ask those here to treat each other with the respect that they would want. If you ask a question, you should be able to handle the answers that you get. They may not be what you wanted to hear or expected but you should not tell that person to shut up just because you don t agree with what they have to say. If you have thin skin, you may feel better by not participating in public forums. If Digger wants to apologize for his outburst, I can take him off moderated status and we can all move on. It s his choice. Don t we have anything better to talk about here than what someone else said? Fredhttp://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: W Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:23 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? So, what does Digger need to do to "come up and see the light"? I thought his post on first-aid options was a thoughtful and useful contribution. "I" may not carry all the items he lists, but from his offering I found several items that I had not considered. I guess it is up to the reader to "take from it what you will". Reading through the discussion, it did seem that some listers could only reply by picking his post apart, and questioning his integrity in relating HIS real life experiences. I know "STFU" is not appropriate, but I can imagine his frustration in posting a useful contribution, and having his credibility questioned. Obviously, I don't know how the conversation went for Digger getting booted. Maybe a reprimand, but hopefully an invitation to participate with a better understanding of the "terms of use"... --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote:
> > I m sorry to say that Digger has dug
himself into a hole. Unless he wants to come up and see the light, we won t be hearing from him again. This list does not tolerate attacks on list members.
> > Otherwise, Those that live by the sword will die by
the sword....
> > Fred > List Admin. > > > From: fw189uhu > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:50 PM >
To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > > Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your
iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding.
> > As I said, personal choice--if you want to
ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU.
> > Digger > > --- In
mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote:
> > > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or
lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky.
> > > > Criswell > > > > Sent
from my iPhone
> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]
>
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Jud
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Post by Jud » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:49 pm

STFU? really?? I have something useful to contribute. In 45 years of riding, I have never seen anybody need a first aid kit, or seen anybody use one. I have carried one, but never pressed it into service. It's certainly a good idea to carry one, but I see no reason to dismiss someone who offers that he has never needed one, especially a guy who has been contributing usefully to this board since before I joined, and that was a long time ago. STFU? No, you STFU.
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fw189uhu" wrote: > > Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. > > As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. > > Digger > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > > > Criswell > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >

Bogdan Swider
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Post by Bogdan Swider » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:41 am

STFU? really?? I have something useful to contribute. In 45 years of riding, I have never seen anybody need a first aid kit, or seen anybody use one. Oh yeah .I carry the same kit that W.C. Fields used a flask of hard liquor. I keep having to refill it .so I guess someone is putting it to use. Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Skypilot
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Post by Skypilot » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:00 am

Digger and all, Now that I am catching up I am reading this over and would suggest a few things. This is a very important topic and I hope we can keep a focus on it without people getting all freaky. I think what is causing so many varried opinions on what to carry is that you have not properly defined the need. It is not local or long distance that differentiates. It is two things. survival vs services First two important points. A first aid kit for a bike needs to survive a lot. It must be kept safe and DRY. the contents must be kept from vibrating. All those canvas bagged kits dont work so put them in the car. I recomend going to someplace like Fuerte cases and buying a hardened plastic case for thisSomething like a seahorse or pelican case. They are very water proof and some compressible foam will stabilize everything inside. That said a large coffee can would do the trick if needed. Water proof is important. Not vibrating to the point of disintegration is important. Next consider where on the bike you put it. Laying on the ground with a dislocated shoulder, broken ribs, leg... and looking at the bike laying on the side where the kit is inside of the side opening cases you will think one thing only, I am an @55 hole. You cant flip the bike over with broken ribs and leg even after you manage to put the shoulder back in. The bike is on the side opening box with the first aid kit so anything you brought is useless. If you need survival, see below, you need to put those pretty side opening cases on a street bike where they belong and get some top opening or soft cases that can be cut open. I have now done this and am no longer that @55 hole! Just saying! OK, So down the rabbit hole we go, are you road riding where people will find you right away and get an ambulance or are you off road. In the road riding some basic stuff is nice but let the abulance get you to a doctor and save the weight. There are services available to cover everything your kit includes. Survival is not an issue since there are cars driving by. Serives are not an issue since someone will help and stores abound. In the local off road bit you need to decide how far out you are. If you need to be able to survive until your wife calls in a search because you missed lunch then you dont need all this. There are services available within 12 hours, probably much less. If you are smart someone rides with you or at least knows where you are. Services in an hour or two. Survival only for that long. If you stand a chance of having to get your self out or wait until those services arrive then survival can be an issue. In that schenario this kit is just about right. I noted some adjustments to consider below but your list sounds like a great kit. A night in the woods mean you need to deal with the broken leg, major cuts and bleeding, dislocated shoulder... If you are 4 miles into the woods with a broken leg, no cell phone coverage and some smashed ribs you are in trouble. Survival is until the services can get to you. That might include not freezing at night and some water to drink. You are no longer on a local ride. You are trying to stay alive so help can reach you. You dont need anti diarea stuff (also services), but you need to stop bleeding and stay put. 4 miles is forever with a broken leg and ribs. Trust me, it is a really long ways. long distance rides things get different. You have the survival thing but you also need the anti diarea and some others. Survival is an Issue and maybe for much longer and services might be non existent. I was glad to have a bottle of Doxycyclin with me in Peru. Some places in Alaska there will be nobody and no abulance for days. No Services. Your kit here must account for long term survival as well as lack of services. Broken legs, bleeding, dislocated shoulder and NOBODY is coming. When they do come you may go to a place with limited service so that imodium or other services based items will not be available. Survival is huge, Services are non existent. You are on your own. This is the big kit. bring everything and learn how to use it. Like I said, consider Survival and Services, then decide how much to carry. Every ride is different so if one kit is all you will do you must account for the majority of rides then add for the ocasional big ride. I have a kit that include sutures, used them once on me and once on a tire, eye irigation, Ace bandages and plaster rolls, rescue breether... It doent come out often and needs to be gone through every time because medical supplies have a shelf life. I ride sweep for our clubs ride, Trail, DS and Adventure rides The Birkshire Trail Riders and you should all come to one this summer. We find riders in all states and have to get them out BUT we only stabilize for transport, no services stuff and no survival stuff in the kit. I ride rallies like the Roaming Rally, 1000 miles of mixed Canadian wildernes and gravel roads but I ride with a team. Need is to stabilize for transport and be able to transport on a bike sometimes, but still no survival, no survices stuff. I have the full kit for when my kids have moved out and I get to go adventuring again, Africa wil likely be my next big one but that is years away. Skypilot, A.K.A. Chris Eckert in CT
> From: fw189uhu > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:16 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > - Medications (travel size or sample packets), Anti-diarrhea, tylenol... All this is for long range stuff. Not emergencies > o Compact first aid book - read it before you go riding!!!!!!! This is the education thing someone mentioned!!! > o Emergency Mylar thermal blanket - this is important for a clean work area too. lay on the ground under the victims leg... > o Glow snap stick (emergency signaling) - the high intensity ones from major surplus are great but you need an led light too > o Large heavy duty Zip-Loc bag (trash removal) > - Instant cold pack (1) - good idea. I may add one to my rally kit > - Tourniquet (military style Combat Application Tourniquet) - good but a sling will do the same plus hold up an arm > - SAM splint 18" or air splint - I like the SAM but I carry two rolls of 4" casting plaster. mixed with sticks and on one side of a limb then wrap ace bandage around for emergency splint. can also use it to stabilize a foot, hand... In the McGyver category of saving lives this stuff is better than chewing gum and a paper clip > - Moleskin > - Chapstick - Mine has a tube of vasaline style lip stuff that works well to keeps cuts dry and clean too > - Saline vials (not sure about this; drinking water seems OK to me) - I use sealed disposable eye wash bottles that work as wound wash also >

mark ward
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Post by mark ward » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:32 am

Hey Sky (Chris) 1st. Riding in the boonies, GET A SPOT, Besides Medical, you can track everywhere you go on Google maps. The "trouble" is/was, Those that have never been, or think they never will be, in any situation, to need help or to help others. Some people are natural Protectors, they keep an eye open at all times to Help others, it's there "way". (Mine) The 2 friends that "NEVER" need anything, also say.... I'm sure someone else will have it If I!!! need it. (in 3 yrs I can easly count 11 times between the 2, just when I was with them.) Aniti Diarea, Many deal with low blood sugar, even when not a Hypoglycemic (ME) or Diabetic, And you can eat all you want, But if diarea ETC. is acting up, YOU SUGARS WILL BE OUT OF WACK. Sometimes you do not know whats happening for Hours!! YOUR FOCUS AND MOOD, WILL BE OFF, when riding etc. Traveling, and strange water, even city water can be an issue.
--- On Wed, 2/6/13, Skypilot wrote: From: Skypilot Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 5:00 PM Digger and all, Now that I am catching up I am reading this over and would suggest a few things. This is a very important topic and I hope we can keep a focus on it without people getting all freaky. I think what is causing so many varried opinions on what to carry is that you have not properly defined the need. It is not local or long distance that differentiates. It is two things. survival vs services First two important points. A first aid kit for a bike needs to survive a lot. It must be kept safe and DRY. the contents must be kept from vibrating. All those canvas bagged kits dont work so put them in the car. I recomend going to someplace like Fuerte cases and buying a hardened plastic case for thisSomething like a seahorse or pelican case. They are very water proof and some compressible foam will stabilize everything inside. That said a large coffee can would do the trick if needed. Water proof is important. Not vibrating to the point of disintegration is important. Next consider where on the bike you put it. Laying on the ground with a dislocated shoulder, broken ribs, leg... and looking at the bike laying on the side where the kit is inside of the side opening cases you will think one thing only, I am an @55 hole. You cant flip the bike over with broken ribs and leg even after you manage to put the shoulder back in. The bike is on the side opening box with the first aid kit so anything you brought is useless. If you need survival, see below, you need to put those pretty side opening cases on a street bike where they belong and get some top opening or soft cases that can be cut open. I have now done this and am no longer that @55 hole! Just saying! OK, So down the rabbit hole we go, are you road riding where people will find you right away and get an ambulance or are you off road. In the road riding some basic stuff is nice but let the abulance get you to a doctor and save the weight. There are services available to cover everything your kit includes. Survival is not an issue since there are cars driving by. Serives are not an issue since someone will help and stores abound. In the local off road bit you need to decide how far out you are. If you need to be able to survive until your wife calls in a search because you missed lunch then you dont need all this. There are services available within 12 hours, probably much less. If you are smart someone rides with you or at least knows where you are. Services in an hour or two. Survival only for that long. If you stand a chance of having to get your self out or wait until those services arrive then survival can be an issue. In that schenario this kit is just about right. I noted some adjustments to consider below but your list sounds like a great kit. A night in the woods mean you need to deal with the broken leg, major cuts and bleeding, dislocated shoulder... If you are 4 miles into the woods with a broken leg, no cell phone coverage and some smashed ribs you are in trouble. Survival is until the services can get to you. That might include not freezing at night and some water to drink. You are no longer on a local ride. You are trying to stay alive so help can reach you. You dont need anti diarea stuff (also services), but you need to stop bleeding and stay put. 4 miles is forever with a broken leg and ribs. Trust me, it is a really long ways. long distance rides things get different. You have the survival thing but you also need the anti diarea and some others. Survival is an Issue and maybe for much longer and services might be non existent. I was glad to have a bottle of Doxycyclin with me in Peru. Some places in Alaska there will be nobody and no abulance for days. No Services. Your kit here must account for long term survival as well as lack of services. Broken legs, bleeding, dislocated shoulder and NOBODY is coming. When they do come you may go to a place with limited service so that imodium or other services based items will not be available. Survival is huge, Services are non existent. You are on your own. This is the big kit. bring everything and learn how to use it. Like I said, consider Survival and Services, then decide how much to carry. Every ride is different so if one kit is all you will do you must account for the majority of rides then add for the ocasional big ride. I have a kit that include sutures, used them once on me and once on a tire, eye irigation, Ace bandages and plaster rolls, rescue breether... It doent come out often and needs to be gone through every time because medical supplies have a shelf life. I ride sweep for our clubs ride, Trail, DS and Adventure rides The Birkshire Trail Riders and you should all come to one this summer. We find riders in all states and have to get them out BUT we only stabilize for transport, no services stuff and no survival stuff in the kit. I ride rallies like the Roaming Rally, 1000 miles of mixed Canadian wildernes and gravel roads but I ride with a team. Need is to stabilize for transport and be able to transport on a bike sometimes, but still no survival, no survices stuff. I have the full kit for when my kids have moved out and I get to go adventuring again, Africa wil likely be my next big one but that is years away. Skypilot, A.K.A. Chris Eckert in CT > From: fw189uhu > Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:16 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? > > - Medications (travel size or sample packets), Anti-diarrhea, tylenol... All this is for long range stuff. Not emergencies > o Compact first aid book - read it before you go riding!!!!!!! This is the education thing someone mentioned!!! > o Emergency Mylar thermal blanket - this is important for a clean work area too. lay on the ground under the victims leg... > o Glow snap stick (emergency signaling) - the high intensity ones from major surplus are great but you need an led light too > o Large heavy duty Zip-Loc bag (trash removal) > - Instant cold pack (1) - good idea. I may add one to my rally kit > - Tourniquet (military style Combat Application Tourniquet) - good but a sling will do the same plus hold up an arm > - SAM splint 18" or air splint - I like the SAM but I carry two rolls of 4" casting plaster. mixed with sticks and on one side of a limb then wrap ace bandage around for emergency splint. can also use it to stabilize a foot, hand... In the McGyver category of saving lives this stuff is better than chewing gum and a paper clip > - Moleskin > - Chapstick - Mine has a tube of vasaline style lip stuff that works well to keeps cuts dry and clean too > - Saline vials (not sure about this; drinking water seems OK to me) - I use sealed disposable eye wash bottles that work as wound wash also > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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