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[Desert Datsuns]

For "local" rides, I don't carry anywhere near the amount of stuff you listed. That's EMT/ambulance stuff you've got listed there. I carry roll bandages, pads, band-aids, disinfecting wipes, neosporin, and some tape. The idea being that I can patch myself up enough to get to a place where someone can take better care of me. Or stop the bleeding until someone can come get me. On longer trips I carry a more in-depth first aid kit, which still probably doesn't have all the stuff you've listed. I honestly think you've gone overboard there. Ryan Phoenix, AZ fw189uhu wrote:

> > > I'm putting together a comprehensive first aid kit for local (not > long-distance) riding since the military IFAKs I usually carry are not > really specialized for motorcycling (for example, I don't really expect > to get shot while riding around the home area). Couldn't find much > specifically about this subject previously posted on this group. > > My goal is to obtain a non-huge first aid kit that will cover the most > common local ride medical problems. Obviously a long-distance kit will > have more contents and quantities, but that's a discussion for another day. > > What do you carry? I put together this list with an eye towards keeping > the pouch size relatively small. If the kit will fit into a standard > military IFAK pouch, all the better. I left "cell phone" and "water" off > the list, but they're obviously important emergency items. > > What off-the-shelf kit can you recommend as a starting place? > > - Medications (travel size or sample packets) > o Anti-diarrhea tablets > o Anti-acid tablets (if you need them) > o Antihistamine tablets > o Aspirin (325 mg) > o Tylenol (for those who can't take aspirin) > o Motrin 500 (Ranger Candy) > o Preparation H (if you need it; thank God I don't) > o Emergency prescription meds > o Antiseptic/Betadine wipes (3 packets) > o Antibiotic ointment (3 packets) > o Antimicrobial hand cleaner (small bottle or 4 packets) > o Burn cream or jel/aloe vera > o Eye drops > - Bandages > o Triangular bandage (do-rag) > o Ace bandage > o Band-aids (various sizes) > o Knuckle & fingertip band-aids (2 each) > o Large 2x4 or 4x4 band-aids (2) > o Steri-Strips (butterfly sutures) (4) > o Cohesive wrap 2"x75' > o Large sterile gauze pads (6) > - Gear > o Trauma shears, heavy-duty (EMT shears) > o Tweezers > o Irrigation syringe > o Large safety pins > o Latex gloves (2 pr) > o Q-tips > o CPR mask > o Compact first aid book > o Emergency Mylar thermal blanket > o Glow snap stick (emergency signaling) > o Large heavy duty Zip-Loc bag (trash removal) > o 4x4 gauze pads (3) > o 4x4 Telfa pads (no-stick) > o Small compression bandage (military) > o 1" paper surgical tape (30') > - Instant cold pack (1) > - Tourniquet (military style Combat Application Tourniquet) > - SAM splint 18" or air splint > - Moleskin > - Sunburn lotion > - Chapstick > - Electrolyte mix > - Saline vials (not sure about this; drinking water seems OK to me) > > Most of this stuff is fairly small in the quantities indicated, but is > more than will fit into a standard IFAK pouch. Of course the CAT > tourniquet comes in its own separate pouch. > > I like the idea of including oral airways, but multiple sizes are needed > and I'm not sure they're worth the space. > > What do you take? TIA. > > Digger > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5578 - Release Date: 02/03/13 >

[ron criswell]

Whiskey or Vodka and a reflective CD for signaling when the antiseptic runs out. Criswell Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Desert Datsuns wrote: > For "local" rides, I don't carry anywhere near the amount of stuff you > listed. That's EMT/ambulance stuff you've got listed there. I carry roll > bandages, pads, band-aids, disinfecting wipes, neosporin, and some tape. > The idea being that I can patch myself up enough to get to a place where > someone can take better care of me. Or stop the bleeding until someone > can come get me. On longer trips I carry a more in-depth first aid kit, > which still probably doesn't have all the stuff you've listed. I > honestly think you've gone overboard there. > Ryan > Phoenix, AZ > > > fw189uhu wrote: >> >> >> I'm putting together a comprehensive first aid kit for local (not >> long-distance) riding since the military IFAKs I usually carry are not >> really specialized for motorcycling (for example, I don't really expect >> to get shot while riding around the home area). Couldn't find much >> specifically about this subject previously posted on this group. >> >> My goal is to obtain a non-huge first aid kit that will cover the most >> common local ride medical problems. Obviously a long-distance kit will >> have more contents and quantities, but that's a discussion for another day. >> >> What do you carry? I put together this list with an eye towards keeping >> the pouch size relatively small. If the kit will fit into a standard >> military IFAK pouch, all the better. I left "cell phone" and "water" off >> the list, but they're obviously important emergency items. >> >> What off-the-shelf kit can you recommend as a starting place? >> >> - Medications (travel size or sample packets) >> o Anti-diarrhea tablets >> o Anti-acid tablets (if you need them) >> o Antihistamine tablets >> o Aspirin (325 mg) >> o Tylenol (for those who can't take aspirin) >> o Motrin 500 (Ranger Candy) >> o Preparation H (if you need it; thank God I don't) >> o Emergency prescription meds >> o Antiseptic/Betadine wipes (3 packets) >> o Antibiotic ointment (3 packets) >> o Antimicrobial hand cleaner (small bottle or 4 packets) >> o Burn cream or jel/aloe vera >> o Eye drops >> - Bandages >> o Triangular bandage (do-rag) >> o Ace bandage >> o Band-aids (various sizes) >> o Knuckle & fingertip band-aids (2 each) >> o Large 2x4 or 4x4 band-aids (2) >> o Steri-Strips (butterfly sutures) (4) >> o Cohesive wrap 2"x75' >> o Large sterile gauze pads (6) >> - Gear >> o Trauma shears, heavy-duty (EMT shears) >> o Tweezers >> o Irrigation syringe >> o Large safety pins >> o Latex gloves (2 pr) >> o Q-tips >> o CPR mask >> o Compact first aid book >> o Emergency Mylar thermal blanket >> o Glow snap stick (emergency signaling) >> o Large heavy duty Zip-Loc bag (trash removal) >> o 4x4 gauze pads (3) >> o 4x4 Telfa pads (no-stick) >> o Small compression bandage (military) >> o 1" paper surgical tape (30') >> - Instant cold pack (1) >> - Tourniquet (military style Combat Application Tourniquet) >> - SAM splint 18" or air splint >> - Moleskin >> - Sunburn lotion >> - Chapstick >> - Electrolyte mix >> - Saline vials (not sure about this; drinking water seems OK to me) >> >> Most of this stuff is fairly small in the quantities indicated, but is >> more than will fit into a standard IFAK pouch. Of course the CAT >> tourniquet comes in its own separate pouch. >> >> I like the idea of including oral airways, but multiple sizes are needed >> and I'm not sure they're worth the space. >> >> What do you take? TIA. >> >> Digger >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5578 - Release Date: 02/03/13 > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[ron criswell]

Oh....forgot Duct tape in case you need an Ace Hardware bandage or splint. Criswell Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Desert Datsuns wrote: > For "local" rides, I don't carry anywhere near the amount of stuff you > listed. That's EMT/ambulance stuff you've got listed there. I carry roll > bandages, pads, band-aids, disinfecting wipes, neosporin, and some tape. > The idea being that I can patch myself up enough to get to a place where > someone can take better care of me. Or stop the bleeding until someone > can come get me. On longer trips I carry a more in-depth first aid kit, > which still probably doesn't have all the stuff you've listed. I > honestly think you've gone overboard there. > Ryan > Phoenix, AZ > > > fw189uhu wrote: >> >> >> I'm putting together a comprehensive first aid kit for local (not >> long-distance) riding since the military IFAKs I usually carry are not >> really specialized for motorcycling (for example, I don't really expect >> to get shot while riding around the home area). Couldn't find much >> specifically about this subject previously posted on this group. >> >> My goal is to obtain a non-huge first aid kit that will cover the most >> common local ride medical problems. Obviously a long-distance kit will >> have more contents and quantities, but that's a discussion for another day. >> >> What do you carry? I put together this list with an eye towards keeping >> the pouch size relatively small. If the kit will fit into a standard >> military IFAK pouch, all the better. I left "cell phone" and "water" off >> the list, but they're obviously important emergency items. >> >> What off-the-shelf kit can you recommend as a starting place? >> >> - Medications (travel size or sample packets) >> o Anti-diarrhea tablets >> o Anti-acid tablets (if you need them) >> o Antihistamine tablets >> o Aspirin (325 mg) >> o Tylenol (for those who can't take aspirin) >> o Motrin 500 (Ranger Candy) >> o Preparation H (if you need it; thank God I don't) >> o Emergency prescription meds >> o Antiseptic/Betadine wipes (3 packets) >> o Antibiotic ointment (3 packets) >> o Antimicrobial hand cleaner (small bottle or 4 packets) >> o Burn cream or jel/aloe vera >> o Eye drops >> - Bandages >> o Triangular bandage (do-rag) >> o Ace bandage >> o Band-aids (various sizes) >> o Knuckle & fingertip band-aids (2 each) >> o Large 2x4 or 4x4 band-aids (2) >> o Steri-Strips (butterfly sutures) (4) >> o Cohesive wrap 2"x75' >> o Large sterile gauze pads (6) >> - Gear >> o Trauma shears, heavy-duty (EMT shears) >> o Tweezers >> o Irrigation syringe >> o Large safety pins >> o Latex gloves (2 pr) >> o Q-tips >> o CPR mask >> o Compact first aid book >> o Emergency Mylar thermal blanket >> o Glow snap stick (emergency signaling) >> o Large heavy duty Zip-Loc bag (trash removal) >> o 4x4 gauze pads (3) >> o 4x4 Telfa pads (no-stick) >> o Small compression bandage (military) >> o 1" paper surgical tape (30') >> - Instant cold pack (1) >> - Tourniquet (military style Combat Application Tourniquet) >> - SAM splint 18" or air splint >> - Moleskin >> - Sunburn lotion >> - Chapstick >> - Electrolyte mix >> - Saline vials (not sure about this; drinking water seems OK to me) >> >> Most of this stuff is fairly small in the quantities indicated, but is >> more than will fit into a standard IFAK pouch. Of course the CAT >> tourniquet comes in its own separate pouch. >> >> I like the idea of including oral airways, but multiple sizes are needed >> and I'm not sure they're worth the space. >> >> What do you take? TIA. >> >> Digger >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5578 - Release Date: 02/03/13 > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[fw189uhu]

Thanks to the many who replied. I should have been more clear about "local;" I mean trail/backcountry rides within a couple of hours from home, not around-town riding. Certainly what to take on a ride is a personal choice. Having been in numerous situations where med kits saved lives, I personally would not consider going out without one--any more than I'd go into a tactical environment without an IFAK. If you choose to ride without a first aid kit I wish you great good luck. I've seen too many "lucky" people take a hit (or spill) to trust luck myself. But again, a personal choice. Responses to men who made suggestions (in no particular order): Mark: Excellent idea to include a SPOT; not really first aid, but probably as important as a cell phone and water. Also, your advice to check for a medical necklace, bracelet, or card is good, and not something I'd considered. I agree it goes without saying that learning how to administer first aid is critical (reminds me I have to renew my NOLS/Wilderness Medicine Institute Wilderness First Aid card next month). R (Traversing): How the hell I forgot to include Quik-Clot is beyond me--thanks for the reminder. That one needs to be on top in the pouch. Your suggestion to put the state, country, and local police/sheriff, fire, and EMS numbers on quick-dial is outstanding. Hadn't considered that one. Robert: Your note about meds expiring is a very useful warning. We check all meds here every six months, and because this is a normal part our routine it prevents the potential problem you mentioned. Mike: Good lead to the Duluth Trading kits. Thanks. Again, many thanks to all who commented. Very helpful, and I'm confident I'm good to go now. Digger

[ron criswell]

Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. Criswell Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "fw189uhu" wrote: > Thanks to the many who replied. I should have been more clear about "local;" I mean trail/backcountry rides within a couple of hours from home, not around-town riding. > > Certainly what to take on a ride is a personal choice. Having been in numerous situations where med kits saved lives, I personally would not consider going out without one--any more than I'd go into a tactical environment without an IFAK. If you choose to ride without a first aid kit I wish you great good luck. I've seen too many "lucky" people take a hit (or spill) to trust luck myself. But again, a personal choice. > > Responses to men who made suggestions (in no particular order): > > Mark: Excellent idea to include a SPOT; not really first aid, but probably as important as a cell phone and water. Also, your advice to check for a medical necklace, bracelet, or card is good, and not something I'd considered. I agree it goes without saying that learning how to administer first aid is critical (reminds me I have to renew my NOLS/Wilderness Medicine Institute Wilderness First Aid card next month). > > R (Traversing): How the hell I forgot to include Quik-Clot is beyond me--thanks for the reminder. That one needs to be on top in the pouch. Your suggestion to put the state, country, and local police/sheriff, fire, and EMS numbers on quick-dial is outstanding. Hadn't considered that one. > > Robert: Your note about meds expiring is a very useful warning. We check all meds here every six months, and because this is a normal part our routine it prevents the potential problem you mentioned. > > Mike: Good lead to the Duluth Trading kits. Thanks. > > Again, many thanks to all who commented. Very helpful, and I'm confident I'm good to go now. > > Digger > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fw189uhu]

Please pay a little closer attention (I see you're on your iPhone); I never said or implied this experience was while riding motorcycles. The lifesaving was in a completely different environment, which I choose to connect to riding. As I said, personal choice--if you want to ride without a kit, so so. I note you failed to contribute anything constructive to the original issue. If you have something useful to contribute, do so. Otherwise, . . . STFU. Digger

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I suppose I been lucky. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPhone >

[Desert Datsuns]

I'd venture to say that most riders do not carry a first aid kit. With cell phone coverage the way it is these days, it's rare that you can't summon help rather easily. You need to be "way out there" for someone to not be able to reach you in a timely manner. We've taken plenty of spills over the years, but have always been able to make it back just fine. You may have been in numerous occasions where a kit has saved lives (and that's great), but that's not the norm for most people. Hence why most don't carry one. Rider skill, and knowing their boundaries accounts for a lot of that. We never ride beyond our skill level, and never take chances. Which is why we've never had a serious incident. Crashed yes, but never to the point where we've needed help. Riding with safety gear accounts for a lot of this too. I'd rather wear all my protective gear and not get hurt in the first place. Ryan Phoenix, AZ Ron Criswell wrote:

> > > Really.....numerous occasions where kits saved lives? Guess I am a whus > or lucky in 54 years of riding experience both on road and off road. I > suppose I been lucky. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 3, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "fw189uhu" dhk@... > > wrote: > > > Thanks to the many who replied. I should have been more clear about > "local;" I mean trail/backcountry rides within a couple of hours from > home, not around-town riding. > > > > Certainly what to take on a ride is a personal choice. Having been in > numerous situations where med kits saved lives, I personally would not > consider going out without one--any more than I'd go into a tactical > environment without an IFAK. If you choose to ride without a first aid > kit I wish you great good luck. I've seen too many "lucky" people take a > hit (or spill) to trust luck myself. But again, a personal choice. > > > > Responses to men who made suggestions (in no particular order): > > > > Mark: Excellent idea to include a SPOT; not really first aid, but > probably as important as a cell phone and water. Also, your advice to > check for a medical necklace, bracelet, or card is good, and not > something I'd considered. I agree it goes without saying that learning > how to administer first aid is critical (reminds me I have to renew my > NOLS/Wilderness Medicine Institute Wilderness First Aid card next month). > > > > R (Traversing): How the hell I forgot to include Quik-Clot is beyond > me--thanks for the reminder. That one needs to be on top in the pouch. > Your suggestion to put the state, country, and local police/sheriff, > fire, and EMS numbers on quick-dial is outstanding. Hadn't considered > that one. > > > > Robert: Your note about meds expiring is a very useful warning. We > check all meds here every six months, and because this is a normal part > our routine it prevents the potential problem you mentioned. > > > > Mike: Good lead to the Duluth Trading kits. Thanks. > > > > Again, many thanks to all who commented. Very helpful, and I'm > confident I'm good to go now. > > > > Digger > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5578 - Release Date: 02/03/13 >

[Marshall Paul]

When I was an FMF Corpman for a Marine battalion, I did not carry all that you list. Improvisation was the name of the game in those days. Marshall in Lubbock the only CST who rides everyday

[mark ward]

Sorry Fred that was supossed to be an EXCLAMATION mark!!! I ALWAYS!! carry ...... And when sleeping? after a long hard days ride..... I still 'carry the tylenol, INSIDE ME. LOL

--- On Sun, 2/3/13, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fw189uhu" , "mark ward" Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 4:03 PM OK, so you got me. I don t carry Tylenol when I m sleeping............... zzzzzzzz zz zzzz From: mark ward Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 8:59 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; fw189uhu ; Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? ALWAYS? Tylenol (as fred said) AND Anti diarea pills, in a small AM/PM pill case $2. --- On Sun, 2/3/13, Fred Hink mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net> wrote: From: Fred Hink mailto:moabmc%40citlink.net> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "fw189uhu" mailto:dhk%40asphaleiabizsystems.com> Date: Sunday, February 3, 2013, 3:54 PM I try to pack light for local riding, since I am familiar with the terrain here, I know pretty much what to expect. I only carry the bare essentials, like water, food (snacks) and a coat or light jacket depending on the weather. Since I am fair skinned and I live in a desert, in the summer I also carry sunscreen. I always have Tylenol (acetaminophen) with me no matter what I am doing. Other than that, I would leave all the rest of your list at home. We all travel differently for different reasons and need different things to be able to do this. Local rides I believe in packing light and carry my wits about me. This will save you more than all the medicine in the world. On long rides away from my local area, then there are different needs and I pack accordingly. I still travel light on long rides and won t have 90% of your list with me. Part of an adventure is dealing with events as they happen. Trying to prevent all events would take away most of the fun of a trip for me. YMMV Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: fw189uhu Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:16 PM To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Local Riding First Aid Kit Contents? I'm putting together a comprehensive first aid kit for local (not long-distance) riding since the military IFAKs I usually carry are not really specialized for motorcycling (for example, I don't really expect to get shot while riding around the home area). Couldn't find much specifically about this subject previously posted on this group. My goal is to obtain a non-huge first aid kit that will cover the most common local ride medical problems. Obviously a long-distance kit will have more contents and quantities, but that's a discussion for another day. What do you carry? I put together this list with an eye towards keeping the pouch size relatively small. If the kit will fit into a standard military IFAK pouch, all the better. I left "cell phone" and "water" off the list, but they're obviously important emergency items. What off-the-shelf kit can you recommend as a starting place? - Medications (travel size or sample packets) o Anti-diarrhea tablets o Anti-acid tablets (if you need them) o Antihistamine tablets o Aspirin (325 mg) o Tylenol (for those who can't take aspirin) o Motrin 500 (Ranger Candy) o Preparation H (if you need it; thank God I don't) o Emergency prescription meds o Antiseptic/Betadine wipes (3 packets) o Antibiotic ointment (3 packets) o Antimicrobial hand cleaner (small bottle or 4 packets) o Burn cream or jel/aloe vera o Eye drops - Bandages o Triangular bandage (do-rag) o Ace bandage o Band-aids (various sizes) o Knuckle & fingertip band-aids (2 each) o Large 2x4 or 4x4 band-aids (2) o Steri-Strips (butterfly sutures) (4) o Cohesive wrap 2"x75' o Large sterile gauze pads (6) - Gear o Trauma shears, heavy-duty (EMT shears) o Tweezers o Irrigation syringe o Large safety pins o Latex gloves (2 pr) o Q-tips o CPR mask o Compact first aid book o Emergency Mylar thermal blanket o Glow snap stick (emergency signaling) o Large heavy duty Zip-Loc bag (trash removal) o 4x4 gauze pads (3) o 4x4 Telfa pads (no-stick) o Small compression bandage (military) o 1" paper surgical tape (30') - Instant cold pack (1) - Tourniquet (military style Combat Application Tourniquet) - SAM splint 18" or air splint - Moleskin - Sunburn lotion - Chapstick - Electrolyte mix - Saline vials (not sure about this; drinking water seems OK to me) Most of this stuff is fairly small in the quantities indicated, but is more than will fit into a standard IFAK pouch. Of course the CAT tourniquet comes in its own separate pouch. I like the idea of including oral airways, but multiple sizes are needed and I'm not sure they're worth the space. What do you take? TIA. Digger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[bryanonfire]

I'd leave behind a lot of your stuff, even on a long trip, and add a couple things. Here's why. There's no such thing as a "sterile" wound, so regular water will be fine for cleaning/irrigation. CPR has a zero percent success rate for trauma, it only works for medical, drowning, and electrocution. I carry a CPR mask on larger river trips but not on the motorcycle. The tourniquet can be improvised with a bandana and any suitable object like a tire gauge, screwdriver, multi-tool, etc. The CAT has only one use, so it is superfluous. If you need to sling an arm, the doo-rag won't work. Take the triangular. A small roll of duct tape and a couple of bandanas are way more versatile than medical tape and large gauze compresses absorbent. White duct tape looks more professional, first aid wise, and still works just fine on your tent or tarp. Keep some of the 4x's but don't go too crazy with absorbent dressings. Make some wound closure kits using small plastic bags containing a couple of alcohol preps, steri-strips, tincture of benzoin (keeps the strips attached even to wet or sweaty skin) and clear wound coverings like "Suresite Window." Forget the airways and cold pack. The former are not needed without accessories like suction and a near-by ambulance. The latter fail too often to be useful. Snap lights are only good for a few hours. Get a really good, small headlamp to back up your regular one if you worry about your main headlamp going down. These are much more versatile and brighter, and most modern ones have strobe settings. Take the Sam splint, not an air splint. Air splints are not nearly as versatile, you need a selection for each extremity. For larger splinting you can find plenty of stuff in your camping gear that will work. Tape, bandanas, a couple rolls of cling, some steri-strips with Benzoin, an Ace bandage, and a Sam splint... that will get you through just about anything that can be handled without an ambulance. Add some alcohol wipes/preps. Some people are allergic to Betadine. I just toss in a small bottle of Isopropyl alcohol which doubles as an emergency fuel source. I like the Leatherman Super Tool, the saw blade goes through bone really well. Not like that cheap POS Aaron Ralston had. ;>) Bryan