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[Stephen]

i just flatted again today after flatting two weeks ago, both times picking up a nail in the rear, riding on (gravel) back roads. This is my first go with Dunlop 606's. (I usually run a tighter tread pattern) a friend suggested that the knob design of the tire might create a situation that when riding over the nail, the nail head flips up and then the point spears itself into the tire because of the large amount of space between knobs. I'm wondering if he might be right as it has now happened twice. the first nail was 3" long! 2nd one was about an inch long. Anyone else running this tire experiencing this or did i just get hit by lightning twice?

[Rodney Enriquez]

This is just pure unluck. 606s are tough as any tires.(Maybe tougher) A nail is a nail and would have popped any tire. Don't over think this my friend and keep your unlucky streak to your self. Everybody knows that even reading about them increases you chance of getting one like running on 606s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

no you were not hit by lightning, however, you did pickk up an iron ore nugget once removed. nails are a fickle thing. Avoid riding where there has been recent construction. Avoid riding where there have been vehicles that have been working at at a constructions site. Avoid riding where Farmer Brown drives his truck; it is full of these iron ore nuggets waiting to make your acquaintence. and Avoid riding where lots of people are going to the 'dump' with junk. all sorts of crap falls off their trucks and trailers. and the number one way to avoid nails Avoid driving your bike. See, no nails. Problem solved. ps. You are a piker if all you got was a 3" nail. I got a 20p nail through a side wall. = 6" nail. head shake. shreaded a MOOSE UHD tube. (almost as bad as Criswells last summer--mine came out in one piece. Criswell came out in 20+ pieces. No kidding, 20+ pieces. It would have been 'funny' except it was blazing hot and Judd Jones was out of humorous stories, so the rev had to tell some of his...yeah, that is the way I remember it. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" wrote: > > i just flatted again today after flatting two weeks ago, both times picking up a nail in the rear, riding on (gravel) back roads. This is my first go with Dunlop 606's. (I usually run a tighter tread pattern) a friend suggested that the knob design of the tire might create a situation that when riding over the nail, the nail head flips up and then the point spears itself into the tire because of the large amount of space between knobs. I'm wondering if he might be right as it has now happened twice. the first nail was 3" long! 2nd one was about an inch long. Anyone else running this tire experiencing this or did i just get hit by lightning twice? >

[ron criswell]

Man those things don't ride good when flat on one side (heh). I am going to be very trick next time. Fred sent me some of those Motion Pro tire wrenches / levers. My two flats on a KLR...one was in the Black Hills riding with better tire changers than me (a real plus) running Mefo tires. The other was running Dunlop 606's. I didn't have experienced tire changers or tools on that occasion but did have parachute cord. I used considerable persuasion and Dale Carnegie techniques to talk a Cowboy with a pickup to haul me 40 miles out of his way to take me home. A mean ole Harley rider helped us lift the beast into his truck. Parachute cord is invaluable. Don't go to an antique MC show filled with late night drunks doing midnight burnouts and then loudly reminiscing about it for hours afterwards without ear plugs and serious sleep meds. Speaking of last weekend. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Oct 9, 2012, at 12:12 AM, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > no you were not hit by lightning, > however, you did pickk up an iron ore nugget once removed. > > nails are a fickle thing. > Avoid riding where there has been recent construction. > Avoid riding where there have been vehicles that have been working at at a constructions site. > Avoid riding where Farmer Brown drives his truck; it is full of these iron ore nuggets waiting to make your acquaintence. > and > Avoid riding where lots of people are going to the 'dump' with junk. all sorts of crap falls off their trucks and trailers. > and the number one way to avoid nails > > Avoid driving your bike. > See, no nails. > Problem solved. > > ps. > You are a piker if all you got was a 3" nail. > I got a 20p nail through a side wall. = 6" nail. head shake. > shreaded a MOOSE UHD tube. > > (almost as bad as Criswells last summer--mine came out in one piece. Criswell came out in 20+ pieces. No kidding, 20+ pieces. > > It would have been 'funny' except it was blazing hot and Judd Jones was out of humorous stories, so the rev had to tell some of his...yeah, that is the way I remember it. > > revmaaatin. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" wrote: > > > > i just flatted again today after flatting two weeks ago, both times picking up a nail in the rear, riding on (gravel) back roads. This is my first go with Dunlop 606's. (I usually run a tighter tread pattern) a friend suggested that the knob design of the tire might create a situation that when riding over the nail, the nail head flips up and then the point spears itself into the tire because of the large amount of space between knobs. I'm wondering if he might be right as it has now happened twice. the first nail was 3" long! 2nd one was about an inch long. Anyone else running this tire experiencing this or did i just get hit by lightning twice? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[achesley43@ymail.com]

Just curious here, Are you gassing it quite a bit on the gravel roads? I used to and picked up more than a few nails/ etc. when hard on the gas For the last couple thousand on the gravel, I've been easy on the gas and no flats. Course, the winds of faith do you in at times no matter what.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" wrote: > > i just flatted again today after flatting two weeks ago, both times picking up a nail in the rear, riding on (gravel) back roads. This is my first go with Dunlop 606's. (I usually run a tighter tread pattern) a friend suggested that the knob design of the tire might create a situation that when riding over the nail, the nail head flips up and then the point spears itself into the tire because of the large amount of space between knobs. I'm wondering if he might be right as it has now happened twice. the first nail was 3" long! 2nd one was about an inch long. Anyone else running this tire experiencing this or did i just get hit by lightning twice? >

[Jud]

First question: Was it a BENT NAIL? Inquiring minds want to know. I don't think you can blame the D606. It is a pretty tough tire. (The hazard with the D606 is the stiff sidewall, which allows a slow leak to drop your pressure below 10 psi without any visible sign the tire is going flat. That puts you at risk for ripping the valve stem out of the tube. DAMHIK.) What probably happened to you was the subject of quite a bit of discussion ten or maybe twenty years ago, when someone observed that rear tires seem to pick up a lot more nails than front ones do, and consequently go flat more often. The hypothesis advanced was that the front tire encounters the nail first, when it is lying harmlessly flat on the road. It kicks the nail up and sets in bouncing, so that it may come down perfectly situated to drive itself into the rear tire. The solution proposed was to run a mud flap behind the front wheel, long enough to brush the road and knock down any bouncing nails before they could set up to puncture the rear. I can remember reading more than one or two articles on this phenomenon. There were a number of commentators who swore by the long mudflap idea. Can't say that I ever tried it myself, but it makes sense. You might try it if you are concerned that serial nail flats are otherwise part of your future.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen" wrote: > > i just flatted again today after flatting two weeks ago, both times picking up a nail in the rear, riding on (gravel) back roads. This is my first go with Dunlop 606's. (I usually run a tighter tread pattern) a friend suggested that the knob design of the tire might create a situation that when riding over the nail, the nail head flips up and then the point spears itself into the tire because of the large amount of space between knobs. I'm wondering if he might be right as it has now happened twice. the first nail was 3" long! 2nd one was about an inch long. Anyone else running this tire experiencing this or did i just get hit by lightning twice? >

[Stephen North]

The nails were perfectly straight. Also, the nails were stuck In between the blocky knobs both times. And was I "gassing it"?......, I live in Vermont. It's hilly. I "gas it" all the time! Just weird I haven't picked up any nails before switching to the 606's, riding the same roads thousands of times / miles...... Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[Jud]

You are free to conclude that D606s are jinxed, contain nail magnets or are otherwise somehow inferior. I still say try the mudflap.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Stephen North wrote: > > The nails were perfectly straight. Also, the nails were stuck In between the blocky knobs both times. > And was I "gassing it"?......, I live in Vermont. It's hilly. I "gas it" all the time! > Just weird I haven't picked up any nails before switching to the 606's, riding the same roads thousands of times / miles...... > > Stitches Afloat LLC > 4580 Harbor Road > Shelburne Vermont 05482 > 802-985-9547 > www.stitchesafloat.com > stitchesafloat@... >

[revmaaatin]

Nails are not a random event. See previous post. If you ride where there are nails You will get flats. Nails don't grow on roads. They are there (usually) due to poor, inconsiderate housekeeping habits of __________ . (you fill in the blank). revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Stephen North wrote: > > The nails were perfectly straight. Also, the nails were stuck In between the blocky knobs both times. > And was I "gassing it"?......, I live in Vermont. It's hilly. I "gas it" all the time! > Just weird I haven't picked up any nails before switching to the 606's, riding the same roads thousands of times / miles...... > > Stitches Afloat LLC > 4580 Harbor Road > Shelburne Vermont 05482 > 802-985-9547 > www.stitchesafloat.com > stitchesafloat@... >

[Stephen North]

The "why's" of random nail distribution in a road bed are already well understood..... The question was if any one else has noticed an INCREASED incidence of nail grabbing with a 606 tread (or similar) pattern VS other tread patterns. Im not bashing Dunlop, i think its a GREAT tire. As I said I have been riding these SAME roads for many thousands of miles with NO nail problems with tighter tread patterns. Both incidents were many many miles apart as well so it' s not a local event. Twice in two weeks seems either really unlucky or something else going on. Hence my question. Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...