warning save your gas receipts (klr650 ???)

[oombarlowau]

Hi! I'm new to the group so don't know if this has surfaced before. My wife's 650 refuses to start in the morning. It will crank and crank, give the odd backfire but not fire up unless we recharge the battery or use a booster. We've tried many things: new battery, resetting the pilot jet etc. but no happiness. I have an identical bike, but there is no problem with it. We swapped batteries but there was no change. Our dealer has suggested a larger pilot jet but we have not been able to locate one. Hope there is someone with an idea or two... regards Dave Barlow (Oom0 Orange, Australia

[Fred Hink]

Try cleaning the stock pilot jet before putting in a larger size. Also check to see where your air screw is set at. It should be set somewhere around 1/2 to 1 turn out from the factory. I d suggest opening up the air screw to 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 turns out. If you have not adjusted air screws before, you need to be careful while turning in the air screw against the seat as the needle and seat can be damaged if tightened too much. Just light seating pressure is all you need to start your adjustments. If cleaning the pilot jet and opening up the air screw doesn t help your starting, you will need to disassemble your carb and give it a good cleaning by soaking the carb in carb cleaner. Let us know what you find out. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: oombarlowau Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:24 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Won't start in the morning Hi! I'm new to the group so don't know if this has surfaced before. My wife's 650 refuses to start in the morning. It will crank and crank, give the odd backfire but not fire up unless we recharge the battery or use a booster. We've tried many things: new battery, resetting the pilot jet etc. but no happiness. I have an identical bike, but there is no problem with it. We swapped batteries but there was no change. Our dealer has suggested a larger pilot jet but we have not been able to locate one. Hope there is someone with an idea or two... regards Dave Barlow (Oom0 Orange, Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Make sure the choke (starting enrichener) is functioning and the cable is properly adjusted. If all else fails, shove a rag in the air intake. Mark At 12:24 PM +0000 8/26/12, oombarlowau wrote: Hi! I'm new to the group so don't know if this has surfaced before. My wife's 650 refuses to start in the morning. It will crank and crank, give the odd backfire but not fire up unless we recharge the battery or use a booster. We've tried many things: new battery, resetting the pilot jet etc. but no happiness. I have an identical bike, but there is no problem with it. We swapped batteries but there was no change. Our dealer has suggested a larger pilot jet but we have not been able to locate one. Hope there is someone with an idea or two... regards [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 12:24:03 -0000 "oombarlowau" writes:

> Hi! I'm new to the group so don't know if this has surfaced before. > > My wife's 650 refuses to start in the morning. It will crank and > crank, give the odd backfire but not fire up unless we recharge the > battery or use a booster. We've tried many things: new battery, > resetting the pilot jet etc. but no happiness. > > I have an identical bike, but there is no problem with it. We > swapped batteries but there was no change. > > Our dealer has suggested a larger pilot jet but we have not been > able to locate one. > > Hope there is someone with an idea or two... > > regards > > Dave Barlow (Oom0 > > Orange, Australia

<><><><><> <><><><><> Dave, What year is the KLR? Exactly what are you doing when you try to start it cold? Choke (enrichener) position, petcock (fuel tap) position, throttle position? Have you tried spraying starting fluid in the air inlet to verify it is a fuel issue? When were the valves last adjusted? Were they adjusted to maximum clearance? Tight valves are cause of hard starting. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/503a2dc7ca78d2dc77123st03vuc

[RobertWichert]

OK, let me get this straight... If you try to start it in the morning, it won't start unless you recharge the battery or use a jump start or a charger. Is that correct? So, if you go out in the morning and put it on a charger, it starts right up? Or if you go out in the morning and you put the battery on a charger for a while, it will start up then? Regarding the afternoon... Will it start in the afternoon? Do you need any of those battery shenanigans to start it in the afternoon? Is it stored outdoors? Is it damp at night? I'm thinking spark... New spark plug. New spark plug wire. Check spark color. Connections getting damp? Trace the spark from the spark plug all the way back to the battery. Got loose connections or damp connections? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 8/26/2012 6:41 AM, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: > > Make sure the choke (starting enrichener) is functioning and the > cable is properly adjusted. > If all else fails, shove a rag in the air intake. > > Mark > > At 12:24 PM +0000 8/26/12, oombarlowau wrote: > > Hi! I'm new to the group so don't know if this has surfaced before. > > My wife's 650 refuses to start in the morning. It will crank and > crank, give the odd backfire but not fire up unless we recharge the > battery or use a booster. We've tried many things: new battery, > resetting the pilot jet etc. but no happiness. > > I have an identical bike, but there is no problem with it. We swapped > batteries but there was no change. > > Our dealer has suggested a larger pilot jet but we have not been able > to locate one. > > Hope there is someone with an idea or two... > > regards > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

Hey all Just read, Anouther, Gas warning. (and anouther on the news) LA to Southbend (FAR NORTH) Indiana. The Corn (Ethinal) gas, if mixed/processed wrong, Stored, etc etc, it is sending alot of cars ETC. to te shop. Motorcycle consumer news mag, and the news advice is save your gas receipts. You may need them if your Mechanic says Fuel system problem. I took my Generators FAULTY petcock apart, It was full of white pasty powder. I put a little stabel or seafoam in the tank just before I run it dry at the end of the season. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Andrew Gates]

Dave, "It will crank and crank". I take your comment to mean that your wife's bike will turn over fine with the battery that's already in it, but won't actually catch and start unless you charge that battery or use an additional battery booster - Did I understand you correctly? If I understood correctly, that means that your wife's bike's battery has plenty of charge (otherwise it wouldn't "crank and crank"), but somehow won't start until you apply additional voltage and or amperage from a booster or from a fresh charge. No matter how hard I try, I can't equate this to a fuel delivery problem, i.e. a jetting issue. You're able to get her bike to start with a booster, or a recharge on the battery - neither of which have anything to do with fuel delivery or jetting. What is changing when you get it to start with a charge or a booster is voltage and/or amperage. I also understood you to say that a battery that worked fine in your bike produced the same results in her bike - is that correct? I would also assume that since, by having two bikes, you have a de facto faulty component tester, that you took the battery that wasn't working in her bike and tried it successfully in yours? If not do so. The point is to establish that both batteries work fine in your bike and that neither one work in hers, thus eliminating the battery as the source of the problem. If I understood everything correctly, and that successful starting happens with additional voltage or amperage, that you are having an ignition problem, possibly with the coil. That's how I'm reading the tea leaves here. I look forward to hearing back regarding the final solution. Regards from Texas, Andrew Gates [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

There are a lot of good suggestions here. I am reminded of an occasion when my KLR's starter would crank and crank, but would not start until I charged the battery more fully. I think the problem was discussed here, and there seemed to be some agreement that a battery might be strong enough to "crank and crank" the starter, but not to spin the engine fast enough to generate a spark of sufficient strength to fire the engine. You seem to have ruled out the battery as the weak point, but could there be some other condition that keeps the engine from spinning fast enough to fire? Loose or dirty connections, a failing coil, failing starter motor bearings?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Gates wrote: > > Dave, > > > > "It will crank and crank". I take your comment to mean that your wife's > bike will turn over fine with the battery that's already in it, but won't > actually catch and start unless you charge that battery or use an additional > battery booster - Did I understand you correctly? > > > > If I understood correctly, that means that your wife's bike's battery has > plenty of charge (otherwise it wouldn't "crank and crank"), but somehow > won't start until you apply additional voltage and or amperage from a > booster or from a fresh charge. No matter how hard I try, I can't equate > this to a fuel delivery problem, i.e. a jetting issue. You're able to get > her bike to start with a booster, or a recharge on the battery - neither of > which have anything to do with fuel delivery or jetting. What is changing > when you get it to start with a charge or a booster is voltage and/or > amperage. I also understood you to say that a battery that worked fine in > your bike produced the same results in her bike - is that correct? I would > also assume that since, by having two bikes, you have a de facto faulty > component tester, that you took the battery that wasn't working in her bike > and tried it successfully in yours? If not do so. The point is to > establish that both batteries work fine in your bike and that neither one > work in hers, thus eliminating the battery as the source of the problem. If > I understood everything correctly, and that successful starting happens with > additional voltage or amperage, that you are having an ignition problem, > possibly with the coil. That's how I'm reading the tea leaves here. I look > forward to hearing back regarding the final solution. Regards from Texas, > > > > Andrew Gates > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jud]

BTW, I notice that I can post to Yahoo again. I have been unable to do so for a few days. Yahoo blamed it on a virus in my machine or on extraordinary activity at my ISP. I am pretty sure it was neither. As a result, I was cheated of any opportunity to post my response to Tumu's broken drain plug. "That will buff out" would have been the first reply, but due to Yahoo's f**kup, it never got posted at all. Better never than late, I guess, since timing is everything.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > There are a lot of good suggestions here. I am reminded of an occasion when my KLR's starter would crank and crank, but would not start until I charged the battery more fully. I think the problem was discussed here, and there seemed to be some agreement that a battery might be strong enough to "crank and crank" the starter, but not to spin the engine fast enough to generate a spark of sufficient strength to fire the engine. You seem to have ruled out the battery as the weak point, but could there be some other condition that keeps the engine from spinning fast enough to fire? Loose or dirty connections, a failing coil, failing starter motor bearings? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Gates wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > "It will crank and crank". I take your comment to mean that your wife's > > bike will turn over fine with the battery that's already in it, but won't > > actually catch and start unless you charge that battery or use an additional > > battery booster - Did I understand you correctly? > > > > > > > > If I understood correctly, that means that your wife's bike's battery has > > plenty of charge (otherwise it wouldn't "crank and crank"), but somehow > > won't start until you apply additional voltage and or amperage from a > > booster or from a fresh charge. No matter how hard I try, I can't equate > > this to a fuel delivery problem, i.e. a jetting issue. You're able to get > > her bike to start with a booster, or a recharge on the battery - neither of > > which have anything to do with fuel delivery or jetting. What is changing > > when you get it to start with a charge or a booster is voltage and/or > > amperage. I also understood you to say that a battery that worked fine in > > your bike produced the same results in her bike - is that correct? I would > > also assume that since, by having two bikes, you have a de facto faulty > > component tester, that you took the battery that wasn't working in her bike > > and tried it successfully in yours? If not do so. The point is to > > establish that both batteries work fine in your bike and that neither one > > work in hers, thus eliminating the battery as the source of the problem. If > > I understood everything correctly, and that successful starting happens with > > additional voltage or amperage, that you are having an ignition problem, > > possibly with the coil. That's how I'm reading the tea leaves here. I look > > forward to hearing back regarding the final solution. Regards from Texas, > > > > > > > > Andrew Gates > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

[RobertWichert]

Too weird. I would expect it to take more volts/amps/watts to crank than to spark. I'm still thinking spark plug, spark plug wire, coil/magneto. And will it start in the afternoon? If so, it's just a lazy bastard. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 8/26/2012 5:33 PM, Jud wrote: > > There are a lot of good suggestions here. I am reminded of an occasion > when my KLR's starter would crank and crank, but would not start until > I charged the battery more fully. I think the problem was discussed > here, and there seemed to be some agreement that a battery might be > strong enough to "crank and crank" the starter, but not to spin the > engine fast enough to generate a spark of sufficient strength to fire > the engine. You seem to have ruled out the battery as the weak point, > but could there be some other condition that keeps the engine from > spinning fast enough to fire? Loose or dirty connections, a failing > coil, failing starter motor bearings? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Andrew Gates > wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > "It will crank and crank". I take your comment to mean that your wife's > > bike will turn over fine with the battery that's already in it, but > won't > > actually catch and start unless you charge that battery or use an > additional > > battery booster - Did I understand you correctly? > > > > > > > > If I understood correctly, that means that your wife's bike's > battery has > > plenty of charge (otherwise it wouldn't "crank and crank"), but somehow > > won't start until you apply additional voltage and or amperage from a > > booster or from a fresh charge. No matter how hard I try, I can't equate > > this to a fuel delivery problem, i.e. a jetting issue. You're able > to get > > her bike to start with a booster, or a recharge on the battery - > neither of > > which have anything to do with fuel delivery or jetting. What is > changing > > when you get it to start with a charge or a booster is voltage and/or > > amperage. I also understood you to say that a battery that worked > fine in > > your bike produced the same results in her bike - is that correct? I > would > > also assume that since, by having two bikes, you have a de facto faulty > > component tester, that you took the battery that wasn't working in > her bike > > and tried it successfully in yours? If not do so. The point is to > > establish that both batteries work fine in your bike and that > neither one > > work in hers, thus eliminating the battery as the source of the > problem. If > > I understood everything correctly, and that successful starting > happens with > > additional voltage or amperage, that you are having an ignition problem, > > possibly with the coil. That's how I'm reading the tea leaves here. > I look > > forward to hearing back regarding the final solution. Regards from > Texas, > > > > > > > > Andrew Gates > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]