[dsn_klr650] breakign beads

[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Walter Mitty wrote:

> Anyone who sells the D.I.D. chains will have the link. The chains come > with a clip style link, you have to ask for the rivet style link

Actually, DID has changed that recently. They now ship with the rivet style link and you have to ask for the clip style link seperately. The good news is that this means that more shops are now stocking the clip style link.

> seperately. Save the clip style as a back-up. As for the tool, it is a > little pricey. I think I got mine from Kneedragger for about $130 or so,

Yeah, I haven't seen it for below $120, and if you pay shipping... _E

[Devon Jarvis]

Keep it out of the mud, and keep the chain constantly oiled with 90w, or even better some sort of gooey chain lube type product. It will last quite a while. O-rings just allow a chain to survive in a near-zero-maintenance environment. Devon

On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:32 PM, DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Yes I have been advised not to use a plain no seal type chain, but its > on the bike and the bike is still rolling... suppose if I keep this > one outta the mud and crud maybe it'll make it a few miles. > > Couple hundred miles on it and figured it would be stretched real bad > by now, but right where I had it set from install still. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape Brooklyn '78 SR500 '01 KL250 Super Sherpa

[dooden]

Hey Devon, long time no hear. It was cheap, needed something, winter coming, did'nt want to spend $70 or so... for under $20 if it last half as long as the OEM I will be happy. 7,500 on the OEM and it was toasted... (again mud,dust,sand, muddy water) Even considered a Scott oiler, but that looks... well easy to break offroad to me. Got chainsaw bar oil in a squirt can, so that is about as sticky as oil gets. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Devon Jarvis wrote:

> > Keep it out of the mud, and keep the chain constantly oiled with 90w, > or even better some sort of gooey chain lube type product. It will last > quite a while. > > O-rings just allow a chain to survive in a near-zero-maintenance > environment. > > > Devon > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:32 PM, DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Yes I have been advised not to use a plain no seal type chain, but its > > on the bike and the bike is still rolling... suppose if I keep this > > one outta the mud and crud maybe it'll make it a few miles. > > > > Couple hundred miles on it and figured it would be stretched real bad > > by now, but right where I had it set from install still. > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > Brooklyn > '78 SR500 > '01 KL250 Super Sherpa >

[GMac999]

Dooden, I've been running the "plain" commercial conveyor 520 chain on my A9. I run mainly mud, dust, sand and water. With a complete WD40 cleaning using a brush. I use PJ1 lube afterwards to lube it. So far the first chain lasted about 3100 miles and I'm on the second one. It wasn't completely worn out, but I didn't want the added damage to the sprockets. I still have the factory chain and sprockets to go back to if needed, but needed a longer one since I went to a 14/47. GregM '95 A9 -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dooden Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:55 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chains Hey Devon, long time no hear. It was cheap, needed something, winter coming, did'nt want to spend $70 or so... for under $20 if it last half as long as the OEM I will be happy. 7,500 on the OEM and it was toasted... (again mud,dust,sand, muddy water) Even considered a Scott oiler, but that looks... well easy to break offroad to me. Got chainsaw bar oil in a squirt can, so that is about as sticky as oil gets. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Devon Jarvis wrote:

> > Keep it out of the mud, and keep the chain constantly oiled with

90w,

> or even better some sort of gooey chain lube type product. It will

last

> quite a while. > > O-rings just allow a chain to survive in a near-zero-maintenance > environment. > > > Devon > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:32 PM, DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Yes I have been advised not to use a plain no seal type chain,

but

> > its on the bike and the bike is still rolling... suppose if I

keep

> > this one outta the mud and crud maybe it'll make it a few miles. > > > > Couple hundred miles on it and figured it would be stretched real > > bad by now, but right where I had it set from install still. > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > Brooklyn > '78 SR500 > '01 KL250 Super Sherpa >

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[dooden]

Lets see... 3100 miles.. I replaced mine on a 01 (5 yr old with 7500 miles) So using that number as a reference I should get about 2.5 years... Not bad for $17 or so. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, GMac999 wrote: > > Dooden, > > I've been running the "plain" commercial conveyor 520 chain on my A9. > I run > mainly mud, dust, sand and water. With a complete WD40 cleaning > using a > brush. I use PJ1 lube afterwards to lube it. So far the first chain > lasted > about 3100 miles and I'm on the second one. It wasn't completely > worn out, > but I didn't want the added damage to the sprockets. I still have > the > factory chain and sprockets to go back to if needed, but needed a > longer one > since I went to a 14/47. > > GregM > '95 A9 > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > On > Behalf Of Dooden > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:55 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chains > > > Hey Devon, long time no hear. > > It was cheap, needed something, winter coming, did'nt want to spend > $70 or > so... for under $20 if it last half as long as the OEM I will be > happy. > > 7,500 on the OEM and it was toasted... > (again mud,dust,sand, muddy water) > > Even considered a Scott oiler, but that looks... well easy to break > offroad > to me. > > Got chainsaw bar oil in a squirt can, so that is about as sticky as > oil > gets. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Devon Jarvis > wrote: > > > > Keep it out of the mud, and keep the chain constantly oiled with > 90w, > > or even better some sort of gooey chain lube type product. It will > last > > quite a while. > > > > O-rings just allow a chain to survive in a near-zero-maintenance > > environment. > > > > > > Devon > > > > On Sep 18, 2006, at 3:32 PM, DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > Yes I have been advised not to use a plain no seal type chain, > but > > > its on the bike and the bike is still rolling... suppose if I > keep > > > this one outta the mud and crud maybe it'll make it a few miles. > > > > > > Couple hundred miles on it and figured it would be stretched real > > > > bad by now, but right where I had it set from install still. > > > > > > Dooden > > > A15 Green Ape > > Brooklyn > > '78 SR500 > > '01 KL250 Super Sherpa > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map > at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

[Devon Jarvis]

Dilute the bar'n'chain oil with ATF, and you can run it in a scottoiler. The scottoiler is great, but I kept ripping out the little tube from the feeder at the end, riding through brush. In the right environment, a Scottoiler is fantastic- it will keep your chain in good condition for a long time. I still have mine, I might install it on my SR500 if I ever put more than 2000mi on it in a year. Devon

On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:25 PM, DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com wrote: >> >> 7,500 on the OEM and it was toasted... >> (again mud,dust,sand, muddy water) >> >> Even considered a Scott oiler, but that looks... well easy to break >> offroad >> to me. >> >> Got chainsaw bar oil in a squirt can, so that is about as sticky as >> oil >> gets. >> >> Brooklyn '78 SR500 '01 KL250 Super Sherpa

[Eddie]

Hi all, I have Scottoilers on my KLR650 and FZ8. They provide a steady source of clean lube. What flings off is WD-40 and a paper towel easy to clean up. Since the constant fresh supply of oil has a sort of cleansing effect on the chains, they don't really get dirty. However, I've been reading up a bit today on various spray chain lubes and their pros/cons. There's a ton out there on all manner of ingredients that claim cleaner wheels, longer-lived chains and the like. But, there seems to be a a certain lack of good info on the proper *cleaning* of an o-ring chain. Me? I still believe that WD40 cannot, will not hurt an o-ring chain. I have never, repeat, never had even one o-ring fail from it. That includes a bunch of miles on many motorcycles. But, your experiences may vary. What I'm getting to is this: If one chooses a commercially available chain lube and sprays it on a chain without cleaning it first, doesn't that just build up and start acting like a good abrasive paste? The Honda shop near here gave me a can of Honda's new(ish) aerosol chain cleaner. It's a thin-bodied solvent of some o-ring safe description that is meant to be applied liberally, allowed to sit a bit before being washed off with water(!). One is supposed to dry the chain thoroughly before applying a quality chain lube next. I can't seem to figure out how one is supposed to dry a chain without a.) using possibly o-ring damaging heat. b.) riding it lube-less to sling out the water or c.) allow it to air dry over time (Anyone that's put away a bike after a rainy ride without lubing a chain first has probably seen their chain rust over night.) It's a neat idea for a product. But, I kinda have to pass on actually using it. Thoughts? What do ya'll clean a chain with? Kerosene? Diesel fuel? Harp seal oil? eddie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

Clean it with bacon....heh! That will attract wild game and ward away terrorist. I have been thinking about putting a Scott oiler on my Versys. What is involved in installing one? Don't you have to install some kind of vacuum hose? Line? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:04 PM, "eddie" wrote: > Hi all, > > I have Scottoilers on my KLR650 and FZ8. They provide a steady source > of clean lube. What flings off is WD-40 and a paper towel easy to clean up. > Since the constant fresh supply of oil has a sort of cleansing effect on the chains, they don't really get dirty. > > However, I've been reading up a bit today on various spray chain lubes and their pros/cons. > There's a ton out there on all manner of ingredients that claim cleaner wheels, longer-lived chains and the like. > But, there seems to be a a certain lack of good info on the proper *cleaning* of an o-ring chain. > Me? I still believe that WD40 cannot, will not hurt an o-ring chain. I have never, repeat, never had even one o-ring fail from it. > That includes a bunch of miles on many motorcycles. But, your experiences may vary. > What I'm getting to is this: If one chooses a commercially available chain lube and sprays it > on a chain without cleaning it first, doesn't that just build up and start acting like a good abrasive paste? > > The Honda shop near here gave me a can of Honda's new(ish) aerosol chain cleaner. > It's a thin-bodied solvent of some o-ring safe description that is meant to be applied liberally, allowed to sit a bit > before being washed off with water(!). One is supposed to dry the chain thoroughly before applying a quality chain lube next. > I can't seem to figure out how one is supposed to dry a chain without a.) using possibly o-ring damaging heat. b.) riding it lube-less to sling out the water > or c.) allow it to air dry over time (Anyone that's put away a bike after a rainy ride without lubing a chain first has probably seen > their chain rust over night.) It's a neat idea for a product. But, I kinda have to pass on actually using it. > > Thoughts? > What do ya'll clean a chain with? Kerosene? Diesel fuel? Harp seal oil? > > eddie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Skypilot]

Kerosene is what Ride Magazine from the UK came up with as best in a very comprehensive test a few years back. I am in the WD40 camp so I dont need to clean apart from the regular hose down and wipe routine. By the way, the Brits didnt call it kerosene. They called it Parafin, evidently refering to a localy available brand name. Confused the hell out of me since I could not figure how cadle wax could possibly help a chain and why a rag would be used with it.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have Scottoilers on my KLR650 and FZ8. They provide a steady source > of clean lube. What flings off is WD-40 and a paper towel easy to clean up. > Since the constant fresh supply of oil has a sort of cleansing effect on the chains, they don't really get dirty. > > However, I've been reading up a bit today on various spray chain lubes and their pros/cons. > There's a ton out there on all manner of ingredients that claim cleaner wheels, longer-lived chains and the like. > But, there seems to be a a certain lack of good info on the proper *cleaning* of an o-ring chain. > Me? I still believe that WD40 cannot, will not hurt an o-ring chain. I have never, repeat, never had even one o-ring fail from it. > That includes a bunch of miles on many motorcycles. But, your experiences may vary. > What I'm getting to is this: If one chooses a commercially available chain lube and sprays it > on a chain without cleaning it first, doesn't that just build up and start acting like a good abrasive paste? > > The Honda shop near here gave me a can of Honda's new(ish) aerosol chain cleaner. > It's a thin-bodied solvent of some o-ring safe description that is meant to be applied liberally, allowed to sit a bit > before being washed off with water(!). One is supposed to dry the chain thoroughly before applying a quality chain lube next. > I can't seem to figure out how one is supposed to dry a chain without a.) using possibly o-ring damaging heat. b.) riding it lube-less to sling out the water > or c.) allow it to air dry over time (Anyone that's put away a bike after a rainy ride without lubing a chain first has probably seen > their chain rust over night.) It's a neat idea for a product. But, I kinda have to pass on actually using it. > > Thoughts? > What do ya'll clean a chain with? Kerosene? Diesel fuel? Harp seal oil? > > eddie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[knockstenn]

I have used WD-40 once on my 06-685 KLR. Just so I could say I've tried it. It seemed to do a fair job of cleaning my chain. I just throw chains away when they are finished, and always start with new sprockets too (15x44). When I notice a surging at low speed, I know its time. I recently replaced my chain. 50,940 miles. I really like my Scott Oiler too. I have read enough post from the experts, to know better than use chain lube so I put "90W sprocket oil" in my Scott Oiler. I'm wondering if that might be too heavy an oil. What kinda results are folks use who use lighter oils in the Scott Oiler getting?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Skypilot" wrote: > > Kerosene is what Ride Magazine from the UK came up with as best in a very comprehensive test a few years back. I am in the WD40 camp so I dont need to clean apart from the regular hose down and wipe routine. > > By the way, the Brits didnt call it kerosene. They called it Parafin, evidently refering to a localy available brand name. Confused the hell out of me since I could not figure how cadle wax could possibly help a chain and why a rag would be used with it. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have Scottoilers on my KLR650 and FZ8. They provide a steady source > > of clean lube. What flings off is WD-40 and a paper towel easy to clean up. > > Since the constant fresh supply of oil has a sort of cleansing effect on the chains, they don't really get dirty. > > > > However, I've been reading up a bit today on various spray chain lubes and their pros/cons. > > There's a ton out there on all manner of ingredients that claim cleaner wheels, longer-lived chains and the like. > > But, there seems to be a a certain lack of good info on the proper *cleaning* of an o-ring chain. > > Me? I still believe that WD40 cannot, will not hurt an o-ring chain. I have never, repeat, never had even one o-ring fail from it. > > That includes a bunch of miles on many motorcycles. But, your experiences may vary. > > What I'm getting to is this: If one chooses a commercially available chain lube and sprays it > > on a chain without cleaning it first, doesn't that just build up and start acting like a good abrasive paste? > > > > The Honda shop near here gave me a can of Honda's new(ish) aerosol chain cleaner. > > It's a thin-bodied solvent of some o-ring safe description that is meant to be applied liberally, allowed to sit a bit > > before being washed off with water(!). One is supposed to dry the chain thoroughly before applying a quality chain lube next. > > I can't seem to figure out how one is supposed to dry a chain without a.) using possibly o-ring damaging heat. b.) riding it lube-less to sling out the water > > or c.) allow it to air dry over time (Anyone that's put away a bike after a rainy ride without lubing a chain first has probably seen > > their chain rust over night.) It's a neat idea for a product. But, I kinda have to pass on actually using it. > > > > Thoughts? > > What do ya'll clean a chain with? Kerosene? Diesel fuel? Harp seal oil? > > > > eddie > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >