chain adjustment with raising links. [was: lowering link ratios; and

[Ronald Criswell]

No waxing and easy touch up plus it looks macho. Criswell

On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Vik Banerjee wrote: > Jeff - Why do you like bedliner for bikes...just the durability? > > safe riding, > > Vik Banerjee > threeohm@... > www.thelazyrando.com > > On 2011-08-08, at 11:04 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > Good morning, > > > > Everyone here has heard me extol the virtues of bedliner as a finish for motorcycles. > > > > My friend crashed and totaled his vstar up on Mulholland a few weeks back. He bought the bike back from the insurance company and repaired the damage himself. When it came time to paint the fenders, repair the tank, etc. I recommended he try my favorite finish, and trim it with chrome. > > > > You can see the results here: > > > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31724220&l=2058882565&id=1121850447 > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> > I would start by neutralizing the acid with a wash of something with a very high pH, like lye or Drano. Be careful, a strong base can be just as bad for your skin as an acid. > > If it still doesn't harden, remove as much of the "goo" as possible, then sand and touch up with the spray. > > That's how I would go about it anyway... >

and of course wear full face protection while applying lye/draino or indutrial strength baking soda. That crap will blind you almost instantaneously, or faster. revmaaatin.

[Jeff Khoury]

I use the "DupliColor" brand, you can get it at most auto parts stores. To ensure it sticks well, sand thoroughly with a vibrating or orbital sander and 220 grit paper. Spray multiple thin coats at about 8" distance. Let it cure overnight before re-assembly.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" To: "Jeff Khoury" , "Vik Banerjee" Cc: "DSN KLR650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 7:29:40 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Hi Jeff, I m sold on this. Which brand/product? My faded od green parts are bothering me now. Very Respectfully, John Cox From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Khoury Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 11:14 AM To: Vik Banerjee Cc: DSN KLR650 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Vik, Yes, that's a big part of it. It's easy to apply, it sticks well (if you do your surface prep), it's flexible enough for painting soft plastic and it's very easy to keep looking nice. Maintenance is a matter of a little lemon pledge. Scratches or gouges can be touched up without sanding down the whole item. Just sand the scratches out and a quick squirt from the can and you're all fixed. And matte black is all the rage these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vik Banerjee" < threeohm@... > To: "Jeff Khoury" < jeff@... > Cc: "DSN KLR650" < dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2011 11:11:34 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Jeff - Why do you like bedliner for bikes...just the durability? safe riding, Vik Banerjee threeohm@... www.thelazyrando.com On 2011-08-08, at 11:04 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > Good morning, > > Everyone here has heard me extol the virtues of bedliner as a finish for motorcycles. > > My friend crashed and totaled his vstar up on Mulholland a few weeks back. He bought the bike back from the insurance company and repaired the damage himself. When it came time to paint the fenders, repair the tank, etc. I recommended he try my favorite finish, and trim it with chrome. > > You can see the results here: > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31724220&l=2058882565&id=1121850447 > > -Jeff Khoury [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Thomas Landmann]

> > Set the chain tension by disconnecting the shock from the swingarm and > raising the wheel so that the pivot bolt, the center of the front sprocket > and the rear axle are all on the same line, that will give you the maximum > possible "stretch" of the chain. > > As far the chain being too loose under this setup, I wouldn't worry about > it at all. > If you are concerned about it, I replaced the OEM rear chain guide with an > aftermarket one I scored off eBay, and the replacement one I got actually > goes around the chain rather than just hanging next to it. > > No way can my chain pop off the sprocket, no matter how loose I set it. >

Hi Stu, do I understand correctly that you are also using the raising links? That is actually exactly how I adjusted the chain initially (except that I disconnected the links to free the swingarm). Thanks for the encouragement that I need not worry. However, the chain still seems loose to me. I'd be happier with an idler sprocket taking up the slack. Thanks again, Tom

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:05 PM, SM wrote: > ** > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Landmann wrote: > > > > I do not know the answer to JWF's question, but I have another related > one: > > > > If you use *raising* links (I have the Eagle Mike RL-1s) how do you know > > what to do for chain adjustment? > > > > Because of the change in the range of motion of the swingarm, using the > > factory recommended measurement would result in a chain which is too > tight > > under full compression. > > > > When I adjust for tightness under heavy compression I think my chain is > too > > loose when the bike is relatively lightly loaded. > > > > I wonder if anyone else has worked through this? > > > > Set the chain tension by disconnecting the shock from the swingarm and > raising the wheel so that the pivot bolt, the center of the front sprocket > and the rear axle are all on the same line, that will give you the maximum > possible "stretch" of the chain. > > As far the chain being too loose under this setup, I wouldn't worry about > it at all. > If you are concerned about it, I replaced the OEM rear chain guide with an > aftermarket one I scored off eBay, and the replacement one I got actually > goes around the chain rather than just hanging next to it. > > No way can my chain pop off the sprocket, no matter how loose I set it. > > Thanks > CA Stu A13 > > > -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

Here are a few more pictures of it up close, so you can get a better idea of how the finish looks. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739794&l=1f916443c1&id=1121850447 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739796&l=fc7c23ce00&id=1121850447 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739797&l=4f13acba8d&id=1121850447 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

Wow that look nice... Sorry but how again was this applied ? Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Here are a few more pictures of it up close, so you can get a better idea of how the finish looks. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739794&l=1f916443c1&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739796&l=fc7c23ce00&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739797&l=4f13acba8d&id=1121850447 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jeff Khoury]

Application is fairly simple but there are a few "gotchas". 1. Surface prep, and this is a biggie: This stuff sticks like crazy, but only if you prep your surfaces properly. SURFACE SAND THE ITEM WELL with 220 grit and an orbital or vibrating sander. Wipe the item with a lint-free cloth and denatured alcohol. If there are any deep scratches, fill the scratches with bondo and sand smooth. 2. USE A SPRAY HANDLE. You can pick these up at the hardware store and they make for a much better finish. 3. Use the same technique you would use if you were using a spray gun. Keep the nozzle perpendicular to the surface and move the "gun" side to side in a straight line. Start the spray BEFORE contacting the surface and continue after you have left. Hold the can about 8" from the surface. Periodically check the nozzle and clean up any excess to avoid clumps. As the can runs out, it will "spit" a little. Keep an eye on your level to avoid splatter. 4. Apply multiple thin coats for best results. It will dry to the touch quickly but allow it to cure overnight before re-assembly. Clumps and splatter (if any) can be sanded down the next day and touched up. Wash with regular soap and water (not too much soap because it can leave residue). Finish with lemon pledge, armor all or "black magic" but wait a couple of weeks before applying any waxy product to ensure that it is fully cured. On my KLR, I've done all my polypropylene plastics with this method (front and rear fenders, side panels and hand guards). A demonstration I give is grabbing the front fender and bending it back and forth... no cracks or de-lamination are evident two years later. The only time I've had a problem is when I failed to do my surface prep properly.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dooden" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:54:57 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Wow that look nice... Sorry but how again was this applied ? Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Here are a few more pictures of it up close, so you can get a better idea of how the finish looks. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739794&l=1f916443c1&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739796&l=fc7c23ce00&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739797&l=4f13acba8d&id=1121850447 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jeff Khoury]

Here's what it looks like on the KLR. Note fenders, side panels, hand guards. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30556919&l=1e30b494a9&id=1121850447

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Khoury" To: "Dooden" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:35:07 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Application is fairly simple but there are a few "gotchas". 1. Surface prep, and this is a biggie: This stuff sticks like crazy, but only if you prep your surfaces properly. SURFACE SAND THE ITEM WELL with 220 grit and an orbital or vibrating sander. Wipe the item with a lint-free cloth and denatured alcohol. If there are any deep scratches, fill the scratches with bondo and sand smooth. 2. USE A SPRAY HANDLE. You can pick these up at the hardware store and they make for a much better finish. 3. Use the same technique you would use if you were using a spray gun. Keep the nozzle perpendicular to the surface and move the "gun" side to side in a straight line. Start the spray BEFORE contacting the surface and continue after you have left. Hold the can about 8" from the surface. Periodically check the nozzle and clean up any excess to avoid clumps. As the can runs out, it will "spit" a little. Keep an eye on your level to avoid splatter. 4. Apply multiple thin coats for best results. It will dry to the touch quickly but allow it to cure overnight before re-assembly. Clumps and splatter (if any) can be sanded down the next day and touched up. Wash with regular soap and water (not too much soap because it can leave residue). Finish with lemon pledge, armor all or "black magic" but wait a couple of weeks before applying any waxy product to ensure that it is fully cured. On my KLR, I've done all my polypropylene plastics with this method (front and rear fenders, side panels and hand guards). A demonstration I give is grabbing the front fender and bending it back and forth... no cracks or de-lamination are evident two years later. The only time I've had a problem is when I failed to do my surface prep properly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dooden" < dooden@... > To: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:54:57 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Wow that look nice... Sorry but how again was this applied ? Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Here are a few more pictures of it up close, so you can get a better idea of how the finish looks. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739794&l=1f916443c1&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739796&l=fc7c23ce00&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739797&l=4f13acba8d&id=1121850447 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Randall Marbach]

Nice writeup on the procedure. Does the bedliner paint come in other colors besides black? Randy from Wrightwood ________________________________ From: Jeff Khoury To: Dooden Cc: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Application is fairly simple but there are a few "gotchas". 1. Surface prep, and this is a biggie: This stuff sticks like crazy, but only if you prep your surfaces properly. SURFACE SAND THE ITEM WELL with 220 grit and an orbital or vibrating sander. Wipe the item with a lint-free cloth and denatured alcohol. If there are any deep scratches, fill the scratches with bondo and sand smooth. 2. USE A SPRAY HANDLE. You can pick these up at the hardware store and they make for a much better finish. 3. Use the same technique you would use if you were using a spray gun. Keep the nozzle perpendicular to the surface and move the "gun" side to side in a straight line. Start the spray BEFORE contacting the surface and continue after you have left. Hold the can about 8" from the surface. Periodically check the nozzle and clean up any excess to avoid clumps. As the can runs out, it will "spit" a little. Keep an eye on your level to avoid splatter. 4. Apply multiple thin coats for best results. It will dry to the touch quickly but allow it to cure overnight before re-assembly. Clumps and splatter (if any) can be sanded down the next day and touched up. Wash with regular soap and water (not too much soap because it can leave residue). Finish with lemon pledge, armor all or "black magic" but wait a couple of weeks before applying any waxy product to ensure that it is fully cured. On my KLR, I've done all my polypropylene plastics with this method (front and rear fenders, side panels and hand guards). A demonstration I give is grabbing the front fender and bending it back and forth... no cracks or de-lamination are evident two years later. The only time I've had a problem is when I failed to do my surface prep properly.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dooden" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:54:57 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Wow that look nice... Sorry but how again was this applied ? Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Here are a few more pictures of it up close, so you can get a better idea of how the finish looks. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739794&l=1f916443c1&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739796&l=fc7c23ce00&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739797&l=4f13acba8d&id=1121850447 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

I've only seen it in black, but it is paintable, so I guess as Pink Floyd says it could be "Any colour you like..."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Marbach" To: "KLR Group" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:42:00 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Nice writeup on the procedure. Does the bedliner paint come in other colors besides black? Randy from Wrightwood ________________________________ From: Jeff Khoury < jeff@... > To: Dooden < dooden@... > Cc: DSN KLR650 < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Application is fairly simple but there are a few "gotchas". 1. Surface prep, and this is a biggie: This stuff sticks like crazy, but only if you prep your surfaces properly. SURFACE SAND THE ITEM WELL with 220 grit and an orbital or vibrating sander. Wipe the item with a lint-free cloth and denatured alcohol. If there are any deep scratches, fill the scratches with bondo and sand smooth. 2. USE A SPRAY HANDLE. You can pick these up at the hardware store and they make for a much better finish. 3. Use the same technique you would use if you were using a spray gun. Keep the nozzle perpendicular to the surface and move the "gun" side to side in a straight line. Start the spray BEFORE contacting the surface and continue after you have left. Hold the can about 8" from the surface. Periodically check the nozzle and clean up any excess to avoid clumps. As the can runs out, it will "spit" a little. Keep an eye on your level to avoid splatter. 4. Apply multiple thin coats for best results. It will dry to the touch quickly but allow it to cure overnight before re-assembly. Clumps and splatter (if any) can be sanded down the next day and touched up. Wash with regular soap and water (not too much soap because it can leave residue). Finish with lemon pledge, armor all or "black magic" but wait a couple of weeks before applying any waxy product to ensure that it is fully cured. On my KLR, I've done all my polypropylene plastics with this method (front and rear fenders, side panels and hand guards). A demonstration I give is grabbing the front fender and bending it back and forth... no cracks or de-lamination are evident two years later. The only time I've had a problem is when I failed to do my surface prep properly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dooden" < dooden@... > To: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:54:57 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Bedliner paint job... Wow that look nice... Sorry but how again was this applied ? Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Here are a few more pictures of it up close, so you can get a better idea of how the finish looks. > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739794&l=1f916443c1&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739796&l=fc7c23ce00&id=1121850447 > > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31739797&l=4f13acba8d&id=1121850447 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo ! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]