nklr [dsn_klr650] petrol vs: mobil 1

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote:

> > Doug, > I run (car!!!) Mobil 1 15w-50 synthetic in my KLR and my Versys, and am very happy to do so. The KLR has 45,000 miles on M 1 and the V has 16,000. Both changed to M 1 early. > Cheers, > Ed >

~~~It's hard to argue with success and Eddie here has been running car oil, specifically Mobil One full syn 15/50 in his motorcycle engines (w/wet clutch) and no clutch slippage I used this same oil in a Honda ST 1100 motor for 70 K miles with nary a slip from the wet clutch. In that motor my intial reason to use the red cap full syn Mobil One was to eliminate the gear snatch prevelant when shifting from 1st into 2nd...it worked but in that motor, short shifting also helped there as well. FWIW, I was doing 8-10 K mile oil change intetrvals as 8 K intervals was what the Honda factory spec'd for that motor. Having said that, I think I would be suspicious using that same interval in the KLR motor, although the 08' factory nmanual says to change at 8 K miles? Maybe it would be okay. I don't buy into the shear force argument for changing oil sooner (if using full syn)...the argument that because the sump oil is the same oil the tranny gears *shear* this same oil should be changed more often. Guess what?, the ST 1100 slso uses tranny gears shearing the sump oil and uses gear driven camshafts, so more shearing going on yet the oil has been proven it can left in the crank case for 8 K miles. I respect other's differing opinions. It's your motor, do what you want with it Many many many ST 100 pilots have used Red Cap Mobil One (car oil) in their ST's. A personal friend a few hour's ride from me has over 250 K miles on his ST 1100 (he's still riding it) using red cap Mobil One (car oil). The heads have never been off this motor FWIW. She just keeps on keeping on Jake Reddick Fla. "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -H. L. Mencken http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "klrfan" wrote: > > > > I have 1,500 miles on my 09 KLR, thinking about switching to full synthetic engine oil, thoughts? > > > > Thanks, Doug > > >

[Jeffrey]

RED LINE SYNTHETIC 10W40 Motorcycle Oil * As specified for are four-stroke motocross bikes ATVs, and Sportbikes * Blended with specific friction modifiers that are compatible with wet-clutches * Superior film strength through the use of ester base stocks for protection and ring seal * Extended drain intervals over other brands due to higher quality basestocks and excellent dispersants 10W40 Motorcycle Oil - quart - $12.95 10W40 Motorcycle Oil - gallon - $51.95 I am sure this is great stuff but not worth it unless you sleep with your bike!

[Jeffrey]

At some point it is cheaper to get a new KLR or get a KTM and run conventional oil. 4 Stroke Racing Synthetics klotz Motorcycle TechniPlate 15W/50 30 gal drum In stock US $1,308.30 klotz Motorcycle TechniPlate 15W/50 4-1gal btls In stock US $184.15 klotz Motorcycle TechniPlate 15W/50 55 gal drum In stock US $2,398.55 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/30 10 quart/case In stock US $122.00 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/30 30 gallon drum In stock US $1,308.30 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/30 4-1 gallon/case In stock US $185.45 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/30 55 gallon drum In stock US $2,415.60 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/40 10 quart/case In stock US $112.90 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/40 30 gallon drum In stock US $2,235.20 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/40 4-1 gallon/case In stock US $182.35 Motorcycle TechniPlate 10W/40 55 gallon drum In stock US $2,418.35 Motorcycle TechniPlate 20W/50 55 gallon drum In stock US $2,418.35 Motorcycle TechniPlate 20W/50 10 quart/case In stock US $118.15 Motorcycle TechniPlate 20W/50 30 gallon drum In stock US $1,123.54 Motorcycle TechniPlate 20W/50 4-1 gallon/case In stock US $182.35 MX4 TechniPlate 10W/30 10 quart/case In stock US $124.75 MX4 TechniPlate 10W/30 30 gallon drum In stock US $1,335.90 MX4 TechniPlate 10W/30 55 gallon drum In stock US $2,449.15

[Horton Oliphant]

Well, I guess this is better than politics and religion. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Eric J Foster wrote:

> > Easy to change oil on a KLR: Plus 1 > Save money: Fail You can run more mileage before oil breakdown, plus if > it truly lessens wear... > Dinosaur juice continues to improve/evolve catchup: Plus 1, but it still > aint synth. > > Fewer oil changes: Plus 1. > Blow money: Fail. Kinda goes against the last three, don't it? > Easier starting in cold weather: Plus 10. > Clutch slippage risk if not moto synthetic: Fail. ANY synth wil work in > a bike as long as it meets the viscosity requirements and it isn't > badged "Energy Conserving". VERY overblown wives tale. > > E >

Eric- Some anecdotal data from the prairie. cough. May 2009 the KLRbugeater from SD, CA showed up at my house with a massive oil leak from his C/S seal. YIKES!!! Yes, it had a proper chain tension and was not putting pressure on the shaft/seal. It needed an oil change, so we throughly cleaned the seal area with soap and water, did an oil change and rode the bike for ~1000 miles. Just to be safe, we bought a seal and put it in the tank bag and watched for "film at 11". No leak. hmmm. The only change: John's bike went from synthetic to carbon based oil. Fast forward 6 months.... I winterized my bikes with a fresh oil change = AMZOIL M/C specific 10/40 (with the hopes that wx would break and I could ride a 30/40F day free of snow and ice. The syn change would be for easier starting an better oil flow at the lower temps.)...sigh. did not happen that way--It started snowing ~15 Oct and never let up!!!! Back to ~15 April 10 when I could get out the 2-KLR650's and the 250: all had fresh syn oil in the crankcase; lets see if we have the same reaction as the bugeater. sure enough. One KLR 650 developed a significant weap around the C/S seal, the other two did not. Changed back to carbon base; no leak NOTE: none of the bikes in this story had the crankcase vent mod done to them. The only conclusion I can make: Syn wants to leak past the seals more than carbon based oil. I had the same experience when I moved from carbon oil to syn in my 6.2 GMC diesel. Thats my experience. shrug. and- I think the bugeater still owes me a seal. smile. revmaaatin. yeah, its the 27th of OCT, guess what, its snowing. sigh. `

[Mike Frey]

Not to mention KABR 272117Z 32032G46KT 9SM -SN SCT028 BKN033 OVC049 03/M02 Mike, KLNS 272109Z 00000KT 10SM FEW023 BKN110 19/15   [u]RMK 0LEAK MOBIL1[/u] revmaaatin wrote:

  revmaaatin. yeah, its the 27th of OCT, guess what, its snowing. sigh. `

[goluxgo]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Horton Oliphant wrote:

> > Well, I guess this is better than politics and religion. > > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

At least with oil, your choices affect only yourself. L.

[goluxgo]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> Eric- > It needed an oil change, so we throughly cleaned the seal area with soap and water, did an oil change and rode the bike for ~1000 miles. > Just to be safe, we bought a seal and put it in the tank bag and watched for "film at 11". > No leak. > hmmm. The only change: > John's bike went from synthetic to carbon based oil.

I changed the power steering fluid in my 92 Ranger and put in synthetic. Within 1 day, the fluid leaked by the front seal in the PS pump and coated the engine and underside of the hood. Big mess. Went back to type F fluid and everything was fine. I tried syn in my Express van and it was using a quart every 800 miles vs a quart every 3000 miles with conventional oil. OTOH, my sedan will go 3000 miles on syn and never use any. Larry.

[Jud]

Just checking in to say hi. i'll be back after the oil thread peters out.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "goluxgo" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > Eric- > > It needed an oil change, so we throughly cleaned the seal area with soap and water, did an oil change and rode the bike for ~1000 miles. > > Just to be safe, we bought a seal and put it in the tank bag and watched for "film at 11". > > No leak. > > hmmm. The only change: > > John's bike went from synthetic to carbon based oil. > > I changed the power steering fluid in my 92 Ranger and put in synthetic. Within 1 day, the fluid leaked by the front seal in the PS pump and coated the engine and underside of the hood. Big mess. Went back to type F fluid and everything was fine. > I tried syn in my Express van and it was using a quart every 800 miles vs a quart every 3000 miles with conventional oil. OTOH, my sedan will go 3000 miles on syn and never use any. > Larry. >

[revmaaatin]

cut and paste: MIKE Frey said: Not to mention KABR 272117Z 32032G46KT 9SM -SN SCT028 BKN033 OVC049 03/M02 Mike, KLNS 272109Z 00000KT 10SM FEW023 BKN110 19/15 endsnip What Mike could have said the wind was 320 at 32Knots gusting 46knots, light snow. He should note, it was down from ~65Knots earlier. Perfect KLR wx, cough, tomorrow. revmaaatin.