tips for riding on gravel / personal story / keep your momentum

[Norm Keller]

>Norm, any idea how to boost/improve the magnetic >quality of the >sleeping drain plug? Having a cutaway KLR engine >would be beneficial >for such studies as this.

That's an easy one! The magnetic drain plug looses effectiveness for two main reasons: 1) The magnet looses strength as do all magnets over time. 2) The magnet becomes coated with magnetic debris which serves to shield the magnet. In order to avoid this simply install the magnetic drain plug from the inside of the crankcase rather than from the outside. This will allow the magnet to be changed periodically without bothering to drain the oil and the air blast at highway speeds will serve to clear most debris from the magnet. A bonus would be that the magnet may pick up nails which could otherwise cause a flat. Happy to help, Norm --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Norm Keller writes:

> In a serious vein: before gluing magnets to the drain plug, it might > be worth considering the consequences should the magnet become > separated and end up seeking some steel object inside the cases. > > I suggest drilling the drain plug to provide an interference fit > into which the magnet will be pressed. Glue in addition would be a > bonus. > > Just a thought, > > Norm

<><><><><>> <><><><><>> Norm, Udder Listers, I wasn't gonna comment about this but since it's looks like it's getting serious : ) I'll add my bit... I guess it was this time last year I had been using a low profile magnetic drain plug which I think was from Dual-Star. It was a gift so I'm not sure. The 17mm socket I was using on it had a bit of a taper on the edge of the socket so it didn't get a real good grip on the flats of the drain plug. I had the socket slip off on more than one occasion and I'm usually pretty careful about stuff like that. I got a bit concerned that using a metal crush washer I'd not get it tight enough with the socket slipping off the low profile. Almost as bad I was concerned I might not be able to get a good grip getting it off for an oil drain. So I decided to fire up my lathe and make my own low profile magnetic drain plug. Concerns I had were how to stick the magnet to the plug so it would be effective and also not come loose inside the engine from glue failure. So I trimmed a stock drain plug head to a thinner profile and then installed a recess for a magnet. I think the magnet I was using was from a packet of magnets I got at Radio Shack for some project at some time in my life. The magnet was about 3/8" in diameter and maybe 3/16" deep. I decided since the magnet was gonna be on the outside of the plug I could use J B Kwik. Kwik is the brother of Weld but sets and hardens in maybe 20 minutes. I think the package claims 4-5 minutes but you have to mix it pretty hot to get that to happen. Well, I put the J B Kwik in the recess and pressed the magnet into place. I remember trying to test the magnetic properties of the business end of the drain plug and was less than impressed. I don't mind making mistakes as I figure the guys not making mistakes are the guys not doing anything. So that was a pretty good learning experience for me. That's also I think when I started using the soft washer from NAPA instead of the metal crush washer. I suppose I rode maybe 5-6,000 smiles with that drain plug. After my oil analysis in January I decided to reinstall the low profile drain plug with the magnet inside the case. I took the 17mm socket I carry on the bike and turned the end of the socket flat for better contact with the flats of the drain plug head. So far I haven't had any issues with the drain plug, soft washer and turned socket. So a guy can sure make a magnetic drain plug but for the small amount of money it costs to get one that works it might not be worth it. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Greg Schmidt]

If anyone is seriously considering making their own magnetic plug, these Samarium-Cobalt Magnets are some wicked little boys. They're available in sizes and shapes needed and take alot of heat. A little pricey though. Here's a link: http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3523 -Camo

[Jacobus De Bruyn]

My friends, I changed oil this morning, after a nice drive and a swim. A car tailgated me, trying to smell my farts, but I saw a window, and passed the vehicles in front, and did 80 for half a mile or so, no vibes, steady as a rock on good surface. When removing the magnetic drain plug, for the first time since I obtained it from Fred, I noticed a small quantity of sticky muddy greasy sediment around the magnet. It was hard to remove, so I understood this was very fine metal dust. So I think the magnetic drain plug is a must, for keeping your oil clean. Also I think instead of all the talk about oil, to change it more frequently, every 1000 miles, is more effective. I use the old oil, which is very black, to burn branches and leaves, so contributing to the global warming, hoping that eventually the eskimos will be able to grow spouts. Must be hard to live on a diet of seal blubber. Jacostarica. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

[Jeffrey]

Does it actually do much or oil filter will catch anyways? It would only protect the oil pump? Jeffrey#3

[Eddie]

Nope. Took her that long to smack me in the ribs....then laugh. eddie

> [Original Message] > From: Jud > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 9/8/2010 8:07:52 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tips for riding on gravel / personal story /

keep your momentum up

> > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > She didn't > > speak much for 1/2 an hour. > > It was great..... > > > > Was that long enough for her to build up the pressure to fart? > > >