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[Norm Keller]

>Wise. Still, the magnetic drain plug is worth

getting right

>away. Since the doohickey spring is a common

failure, >it is best to put something in that will help to contain it. My Doo' spring piece ended up in the oil pump pick-up screen the same place as the non-magnetic drain plug equipped KLRs. The oil current seems to move directly across rather than past the magnetic drain plug which is too bad. Just nit picking, Doug. Norm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Norm Keller wrote:

> > >Wise. Still, the magnetic drain plug is worth > getting right > >away. Since the doohickey spring is a common > failure, >it is best to put > something in that will help to contain it. > > My Doo' spring piece ended up in the oil pump pick-up > screen the same place > as the non-magnetic drain plug equipped KLRs. The oil > current seems to move > directly across rather than past the magnetic drain > plug which is too bad. > > Just nit picking, Doug. > > Norm >

Note: SPOOF SWITCH-'ON' Norm, I think your engineering explanation is far to complicated. In a gentler, kinder KLR nation, we should be politically correct as often as possible. We need to cut the magnetic drain plug some slack... Maybe the magnetic drain plug was taking a lunch break when the broken spring went for a walk in his neighborhood, taking a little nap, or maybe the spring was just to busy to ring the drain plugs door bell and come in for tea. Something like that. See how much more sense it makes than some stuffy engineering explanation? Otherwise, someone is going to suggest that the drain plug is farkle and there we go again, down a farkle thread.... I hate to think I spent XX dollars for a drain plug and not get my money's worth. Excuse me, I got to run. I think I hear the door bell ringing now... revmaaatin. Note: SPOOF SWITCH-'OFF' ps. Doug, Thank goodness for a secondary screen. Not over engineered, just right. pps. Norm, any idea how to boost/improve the magnetic quality of the sleeping drain plug? Having a cutaway KLR engine would be benefical for such studies as this.

[stevedyer]

In a very secure corner of my garage, I have some sizeable research-quality rare-earth magnets that I ordered from a scientific supply house some years ago. The kind they don't sell to kids. These sunzabitches will suck an anvil thru the slots in a manhole cover. If I tape one of these to the case next to the drain plug, then remove it just before the oil change, maybe it will collect everything the wimpy drain plug magnet fails to capture... Steve Who learned respect for these magnets very quickly after some meat, blood and skin loss from careless handling. ------------------------- (snip) .... I hate to think I spent XX dollars for a drain plug and not get my money's worth. pps. Norm, any idea how to boost/improve the magnetic quality of the sleeping drain plug? Having a cutaway KLR engine would be benefical for such studies as this. revmaaatin.

[Doug Herr]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Norm Keller wrote:

> My Doo' spring piece ended up in the oil pump pick-up > screen the same place > as the non-magnetic drain plug equipped KLRs. The oil > current seems to move > directly across rather than past the magnetic drain > plug which is too bad. > > Just nit picking, Doug.

I am sure that is common. But it never hurts to have the suspenders in addition to the belt. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Mike Peplinski]

That magnet trick is really something, isn't it? I was taking a hard drive apart for the magnets and started playing with them. They're just so much fun. When you leave them attached to the carrier plates they can provide a truly awesome atraction for each other. It's amazing how difficult they are to remove from the web of your left hand when you only have on hand to work with. I wonder if one of these little babies could be attached to the inside of the oil filter case. If it would fit I could epoxy it to the inside of that silver dollar sized cover plate. It could be cleaned and would certainly do a better job than the drain plug. My only question is would it be too late since the object would probably get trapped in the filter anyway.

>From: "stevedyer" >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: magnetic drain plug >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:02:28 -0500 > >In a very secure corner of my garage, I have some sizeable research-quality >rare-earth magnets that I ordered from a scientific supply house some years >ago. The kind they don't sell to kids. These sunzabitches will suck an >anvil thru the slots in a manhole cover. If I tape one of these to the >case next to the drain plug, then remove it just before the oil change, >maybe it will collect everything the wimpy drain plug magnet fails to >capture... > >Steve >Who learned respect for these magnets very quickly after some meat, blood >and skin loss from careless handling. > >------------------------- > > >(snip) > >.... I hate to think I spent XX dollars for a drain plug and not get my >money's worth. > > pps. Norm, any idea how to boost/improve the magnetic quality of the >sleeping drain plug? Having a cutaway KLR engine would be benefical >for such studies as this. > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Jim Link]

I laughed on this one.. He is right, it is the most powerful magnet I have ever played with. But would it hurt to just attach it to the existing drain plug on the inside? --- stevedyer wrote:

> In a very secure corner of my garage, I have some > sizeable research-quality > rare-earth magnets that I ordered from a scientific > supply house some years > ago. The kind they don't sell to kids. These > sunzabitches will suck an > anvil thru the slots in a manhole cover. If I tape > one of these to the > case next to the drain plug, then remove it just > before the oil change, > maybe it will collect everything the wimpy drain > plug magnet fails to > capture... > > Steve > Who learned respect for these magnets very quickly > after some meat, blood > and skin loss from careless handling. > > ------------------------- > > > (snip) > > .... I hate to think I spent XX dollars for a drain > plug and not get my > money's worth. > > pps. Norm, any idea how to boost/improve the > magnetic quality of the > sleeping drain plug? Having a cutaway KLR engine > would be benefical > for such studies as this. > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Jim Link]

You know I think we are on to something here. I bought some glue from Germany, This stuff can hold steel "I" beams together. I tokk two 9/16 nuts, glued them togher and could not break them apart, in a vice, 2 wrenches, a rachet and a breaker bar. I finally stripped the bolts, and still never got them apart.... How about glueing the rare earth magnet to the inside of the drain plug?... --- Mike Peplinski wrote:

> That magnet trick is really something, isn't it? I > was taking a hard drive > apart for the magnets and started playing with them. > They're just so much > fun. When you leave them attached to the carrier > plates they can provide a > truly awesome atraction for each other. It's amazing > how difficult they are > to remove from the web of your left hand when you > only have on hand to work > with. I wonder if one of these little babies could > be attached to the inside > of the oil filter case. If it would fit I could > epoxy it to the inside of > that silver dollar sized cover plate. It could be > cleaned and would > certainly do a better job than the drain plug. My > only question is would it > be too late since the object would probably get > trapped in the filter > anyway. > > > >From: "stevedyer" > >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: magnetic drain plug > >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:02:28 -0500 > > > >In a very secure corner of my garage, I have some > sizeable research-quality > >rare-earth magnets that I ordered from a scientific > supply house some years > >ago. The kind they don't sell to kids. These > sunzabitches will suck an > >anvil thru the slots in a manhole cover. If I > tape one of these to the > >case next to the drain plug, then remove it just > before the oil change, > >maybe it will collect everything the wimpy drain > plug magnet fails to > >capture... > > > >Steve > >Who learned respect for these magnets very quickly > after some meat, blood > >and skin loss from careless handling. > > > >------------------------- > > > > > >(snip) > > > >.... I hate to think I spent XX dollars for a drain > plug and not get my > >money's worth. > > > > pps. Norm, any idea how to boost/improve the > magnetic quality of the > >sleeping drain plug? Having a cutaway KLR engine > would be benefical > >for such studies as this. > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: > >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > www.dualsportnews.com > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Doug Herr]

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Jim Link wrote:

> You know I think we are on to something here. I bought > some glue from Germany, This stuff can hold steel "I" > beams together. I tokk two 9/16 nuts, glued them > togher and could not break them apart, in a vice, 2 > wrenches, a rachet and a breaker bar. I finally > stripped the bolts, and still never got them apart.... > How about glueing the rare earth magnet to the inside > of the drain plug?...

Hell, that is what a magnetic drain plug is, just using a better magnet in this case (pretty sure they don't use the rare earth type for the pre make ones). As long as the glue holds it should be fine. Just make sure that glue of yours does not dissolve in motor oil. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[stevedyer@cox.net]

Jim, The larger magnets I have are too big for that - at least an inch and a half in diameter. I did get some smaller ones that might be epoxied or JB-Welded to the drain plug, but if memory serves they're close to .75" or so in diameter and still may be to large. I'll give them a look. One of them is holding my 48" pipe wrench to the side of the tool chest. Steve -------- ---- Jim Link wrote: You know I think we are on to something here. I bought some glue from Germany, This stuff can hold steel "I" beams together. I tokk two 9/16 nuts, glued them togher and could not break them apart, in a vice, 2 wrenches, a rachet and a breaker bar. I finally stripped the bolts, and still never got them apart.... How about glueing the rare earth magnet to the inside of the drain plug?...

[Norm Keller]

In a serious vein: before gluing magnets to the drain plug, it might be worth considering the consequences should the magnet become separated and end up seeking some steel object inside the cases. I suggest drilling the drain plug to provide an interference fit into which the magnet will be pressed. Glue in addition would be a bonus. Just a thought, Norm --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]