folding dual sport mirrors

[nakedwaterskier]

I am using Big 5 work boots with steel toe. Big 5 has them on sale every once in a while for $20. Only problem is it takes a little time to get used to braking and shifting with them because they are a little tall--from below you toes to above your toes. Also, since that rock that attacked me on ESR2, my right foot peg has moved back 3/8 inch which makes braking easier. I plan on getting some real MX boots when I can get size 12 cheap on ebay. I HAVE SOME LIKE NEW BROWN LEATHER COWBOY/BIKER BOOTS FOR SALE THOUGH. More cowboy than biker...They are size 11 but I have big insteps so I cannot wear them. $50 + SHIPPING if anyone wants them. Jeffrey aka Naked Red04

[js]

on 1/9/05 9:48 AM, matteeanne@... at matteeanne@... wrote:

> > Having broken a lot of bones, and suffered more road > rash than I care to remember, armor for me was simply > an investment. I can pay before I lay it down or > after...I feel god > knowing I wont break any foot bones with tcs boots, > and that my knees and elbows and spine are going to > fair better than with no armor. As old as I am, it > pays to invest, and take less chances. In my youth I > did not care at all.... > --- Jim Hubbard wrote: >> I know I'm gonna get slammed for this, but for me, >> the idea of multi-purpose >> motorcycling also carries over to my riding clothes. >> In general, I'm just >> not gonna shell out for something that I can only >> wear when riding (except

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>> >> Is all of this less safe than a $700 riding suit? >> Maybe. But I'm riding a >> motorcycle, for crying out loud. If I feel the need >> to wrap myself in a >> cacoon of protection, then I might as well drive the >> cage. >> To me, if you're regularly riding so hard off road >> that you need the >> protection of a motocross boot, then you probably >> need a different bike too. >> Jim Hubbard >>

I'll echo the big up side of having good kit. Odds being that many of us will experience the effects of going 'off', either off or on road. How you get thru it might be determined by how you;re equipped. Mu recent crash - Dec 11 - was on-road, at under 40 mph and even though I was fully equipped with good gear, I still broke 5 ribs, collarbone, shattered the shoulderblade. But in all that I had no road rash, no real impact injury other than the blunt force trauma of tumbling. There is evidence of extensive sliding on both the leather/armored pants, boots and on the Jrocket Ballistic armored Jac. The helmet is toast. The boots are leather, fieldsheer, and although not as heavily armored as current highend road boots, still has plenty of support, especially around the ankles. The boots show clear evidence of being trapped under the bike for some time; yet I had no injuries to the feet or any other part of the body except for those to my left side from the tumbling. I've ridden in workboots, and non-sensibly have done that riding my pig KZ1000P copsicle, which at 625 lbs, would be a sizeable chunk to have fall on your ankle and foot. I'll be re-thinkin that... The biggest threat to your lower leg and foot are from being trapped between the road/trail/tree/boulder and the bike, and for that you need hard support and extra cushion. I think the same way with my knees and hips - so full armor there as well. 4 weeks after the crash, I'm reasonably mobile, healing quickly for my 55 yrs. but I'd hate to think how bad it would have been if I hadn;t had full gear, especially for the feet and legs. Mobility is everything, both for the recovery and how you go thru the remainder of your days. Whether you can say a crash IS or ISN'T due to your own mistakes, that doesn;t matter or have any effect on the outcome of your surviveability. That's determined by your actions, YOUR GEAR, and a whole lot of chance. Without the full kit, mine WOULD have been much worse. You may think you're 'tough'. You may believe it can't happen to you. You may think you're a great rider and in full control. I know I'm lucky, I'm generally in good control, and I have plenty of stories that say I'm in top shape and 'tough'. I'm here to tell you that NO ONE is that lucky, that in control, that tough to all situations. So I'm ecstatic to have moto-specific gear to 'up' my odds substantially. No matter how hot it gets, and believe me 100+ in the desert, isn;t enough to have me not in full gear. There's plenty of good kit out there, either new or on ebay, to get a full outfit for well under $500 (not counting a hell-mutt) and that seems really cheap for the huge margin good stuff affords. There are a lot of good options between work boots and full-on MotoX or RoadRace boots, it's a matter of how important it is, how well it fits, and how lucky you think you are. A nice pr of 'lower' cut, used, strap & buckle vintage MotoX boots, found on ebay, are a really nice option for a DS purpose, and work well either over or under the pant leg, and look smart also. If I don;t feel right walkin into a place with my gear on, I probably won;t like it anyway. But you pays your money, you takes your chances. YMMV Js - planning on ridin!!! this comin Sat, come Hell or Hi-water in CA

[Don Bittle]

----- Original Message ----- From: "kayak_shack" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] dual sport boots Check out Sportsman's Guide. My last pair came from there. don I > have been wearing heavy hiking boots so far but am hoping to get a > better pair of riding boots between now and the spring.

[Michael T]

Check out Sidi Discoveries - very comfortable and the sole of the boot allows you shift with the extended edge on up shifts. Michael T A16 lasvegasrider -----Original Message----- From: kayak_shack [mailto:kayak_shack@...] Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:09 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] dual sport boots Hey KLR kids! I have a 93 KLR and commute on it, ride dirt roads and trails too. I have been wearing heavy hiking boots so far but am hoping to get a better pair of riding boots between now and the spring. (I know I know I NEED real boots) ANy suggestions? I don't want anythign too huge (like a full super stiff, 500 buckle moto-cross boot) because I want to throw them on to go to work, but would still liek some better protection for of roading and in the case of a crash. I have heard a few folsk atlk abotu moto-cross style boots that are a bit less stiff etc and good for all around riding? Waterproof I know is a word that is used a lot but rarely REALLY occurs. I would like a fair bit of water resistance at least. Of course O don't want to spend $500 on a pair of boots either. ALso I am in Canada and any mail order suggestions are appreciated. Thanks JOsh List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links

[el_macho650]

> > > > I know I'm gonna get slammed for this, but for me, > > the idea of multi-purpose > > motorcycling also carries over to my riding clothes.

I sympathize. I don't like walking around dressed like a power-ranger. My neighbor's kid refers to me as Buzz Lightyear. But I wear armor anyway.

> > > > Is all of this less safe than a $700 riding suit? > > Maybe.

Not maybe, "No". Workpants are not the same as armored riding pants. After taking a 60- ft slide in a set of armored Vanson leathers, dusting myself off and riding home, I don't like riding in plain jeans anymore.

> > But I'm riding a > > motorcycle, for crying out loud. If I feel the need > > to wrap myself in a > > cacoon of protection, then I might as well drive the > > cage. > > > > To me, if you're regularly riding so hard off road > > that you need the > > protection of a motocross boot, then you probably > > need a different bike too.

Riding offroad, it's a LOT easier to predict and manage your risk level. You can generally choose your speed, terrain and line of attack without fear of other traffic. The problem is riding around town. Heavy MX boots aren't for jumping or other high-flying MX shenanigans, they're for pinching your ankle between a tree and your bike at 5mph, or falling off and having the bike land on your foot. Even garden-variety fire road and easy trail riding, MX boots can mean the difference between breaking your ankle, or just getting bruised up a lot. Devon

[ATO137528@aol.com]

I think I'll post a pic of the front plastic shin guard on my Alpine Star M4's that clearly shows the impact from a piece of 1/4" gas pipe that was thrown up off the highway and into my path over the summer. I hate to think what would have become of my lower leg when whacked by a piece of pipe at 70 mph. I usually wear Joe Rocket street boots on long road rides, but this time I just happened to have the MX boots with me as I was doing a lot of heavy woods riding that week. Lucky me. We all know that nothing will protect us from many injuries to which we may be faced while riding, but to skimp on what we CAN do to protect ourselves is nothing short of irresponsible, and IMHO, inexcusable. Having worked several years in an ER, I have seen many injuries that could have been prevented. My tibia and fibula are intact today because I was wearing some boots I caught on sale for less than 150 bucks. That's damn cheap compared to the cost of the surgery, suffering, and related expenses. M4's are a little Robo Cop, but having ridden MX bikes most of my life, I don't mind. But Fox Trackers or O'Neal Elements are both good boots that are much lighter and both less than $100 most of the time. Thor makes a good boot that fits that bill, too. Get some REAL boots and protect your feet and ankles. Why is this even being discussed??? Lamar A14 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hubbard" wrote:

> I know I'm gonna get slammed for this, but for me, the idea of multi-

purpose

> motorcycling also carries over to my riding clothes. In general, I'm just > not gonna shell out for something that I can only wear when riding (except > for my helmet of course). I use a good pair of comfortable waterproof work > boots. They work great, and I can wear them anywhere, anytime. For

pants,

> when it gets cold I start layering warm-up pants, ski pants, and maybe a > pair of insulated coveralls. For a jacket, again layers of just about > anything I can find. > > Is all of this less safe than a $700 riding suit? Maybe. But I'm riding a > motorcycle, for crying out loud. If I feel the need to wrap myself in a > cacoon of protection, then I might as well drive the cage. > > To me, if you're regularly riding so hard off road that you need the > protection of a motocross boot, then you probably need a different bike too. > > > Jim Hubbard >

Seven hundred bucks for protective gear is not an extravagance, it's cheap insurance.

[fasteddiecopeman]

I got a pair of Oneal Element boots from RideGear for $104US delivered to a friend's PO box in the US, then he brought them in for about $8 GST or so. They seem pretty good, tho' they aren't broken in yet. Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > My Oxtar TCS Sports are fashizzle, forizzle. (The S**t > for real). Cozy, dry, stick to even wet rubber pegs, > and have steel reenforcement to prevent broken feet > and ankles even in the the worst wreck. I got them > slightly used on Ebay for 80 dollars. Two big thumbs > up! Oh yeah, they take baout 10 seconds each to get > into also.... > --- kayak_shack wrote: > > > > > > > Hey KLR kids! > > > > I got a 93 KLR a couple years ago and commute on > > the highway, ride > > dirt raods and trails too. SO far I have been > > wearing heavy leather > > backpacking boots but am hoping to get a real set of > > riding boots by > > the spring. ANy suggestions? > > > > I don't want a full on motor cross boot and want to > > be able walk > > aroudn in them OK. A high degree of water > > repellancey would be nice > > too. I don't do too extreme off-roading but coudl > > definitely use > > more protection. I have ordered a few things from > > DUAL STAR in the > > past and saw their Gaerne Explorer ($170 US) and > > Sidi Discovery ($250 > > US) boots. Any impressions of these or other real > > dual purpose boots > > I should look for? > > > > Also, I am in Canada so any mail order or online > > seller's info would > > be appreciated. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

[dumbazz_650]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hubbard" wrote: > > I know I'm gonna get slammed for this, but for me, the idea of multi- > purpose > > motorcycling also carries over to my riding clothes. In general,

I'm just

> > not gonna shell out for something that I can only wear when riding

(except

> > for my helmet of course). I use a good pair of comfortable

waterproof work

> > boots. They work great, and I can wear them anywhere, anytime. For > > Seven hundred bucks for protective gear is not an extravagance, it's

cheap

> insurance.

We each make our own decisions about bikes, riding style, and how much protection we choose to wear. Looking like a power ranger is a bit of a hassle, but not nearly as bad as being off the bike for several months while you heal up, getting skin grafts, or physical therapy. I ride motorbikes for fun, quick jaunts, errands, or 2,500 mile mini- tours. I had a highside at 75mph that broke my hip and a couple ribs, but with fullface helmet, armored jacket and pants, heavy gloves and boots, I had no roadrash or other injuries. Most of us have stories like this. Riding bikes can be dangerous. Wearing protection increases your odds of walking away, or making a much faster recovery. Like the man said "You pays your money and you takes your chances." MarkB

[Kathi Clark]

I am probably not as armored-out as some people, but I do always wear an armored jacket. I have oxtar matrix boots. I have a pair of padded, armored pants that I rarely wear -- not because I think they're a bad idea, but because I don't necessarily want to deal with them when I get to where I'm going. What does everyone do with their riding gear when they get to their destination (assuming you have a destination)? If I'm just going to a friend's house or work, it's no big deal, but if I'm going to a store or a movie or something, I don't really want to wear or carry all my big gear while I'm walking around. Kathi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]