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Mark St.Hilaire, Sr
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doohickey

Post by Mark St.Hilaire, Sr » Sat Jan 04, 2003 2:25 pm

> When I buy my bikes, do I make the dealer put in a aftermarket > doohickey?
I don't think it would be necessary for you to pay to have this done, it's really not an especially difficult thing to do. I guess if, for whatever reason, you don't want to do the replacements yourself, then having the dealer do a replacement using aftermarket parts would be the way to go. There is no point whatsoever in having the dealer replace the stock idler shaft lever with another stock lever and/or spring.
> What should he charge for doing this?
If you go that route, it shouldn't take more than an hour from start to finish. Really though, consider doing it yourself. That way you'll KNOW it got done, and that it got done correctly.
> If I don't have this done, can I count on seizing up?
There's pretty much nothing in life that can be counted on, but it seems likely that the stock doohickey will break. I've done two bikes; my own was apparently OK at about 8300 miles, the other bike, belonging to a friend, was broken at around 7200 miles. Pictures and a step-by-step procedure for doing the change are on my website at: http://klr6500.tripod.com/doohickey.htm In addition, from reading other list posts and such, the odds are 50% or more in favor of finding a broken doohickey - why not save the possible expense and damage, and just get the stock junk out of there?!
> Should I buy extended warranty?
I didn't, and am not in the least bit sorry about it. *I* think that if you have any inclination at all, you can do anything on the bike that's required, maintenance OR repair. I'm not a big fan of dealer mechanics, although I know there are some good ones. (Or, at least I've heard there are some good ones. (Grin)) Best of luck, whatever you decide to do, Mark KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If you don't get a response, please try: KLR6500@...

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doohickey

Post by Guest » Fri Feb 07, 2003 8:59 pm

Okay, I'm new to motorcycling and the KLR 650. That will really be obvious when I ask t his question. What's a doohickey? Ken

sheilandken

doohickey

Post by sheilandken » Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:07 pm

Okay, I'm new to motorcycling and the KLR 650. That will really be obvious when I ask t his question. What's a doohickey? Ken

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doohickey

Post by Guest » Fri Feb 07, 2003 9:10 pm

Ken, first of all - welcome! That is a part of the balancer (or counter-balancer) system. It is the adjustment retention plate. Kawasaki p/n 13168-1436. They are know to either fail, or fail to work. The failure sometimes causes engine damage, when the pieces bounce around the engine, or the chain could skip time, and cause damage through increasing vibration, rather than canceling it. The current factory part is a low quality weldment of 2 parts. There is quite a history on this part on this group. You can see the one piece part I make to replace it at Arrowhead Motorsports, or at Zen Motorcycle products. Mike Eagle Mfg & Eng San Diego, Ca. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "sheilandken " wrote:
> > Okay, I'm new to motorcycling and the KLR 650. That will really > be obvious when I ask t his question. What's a doohickey? > > Ken

Mark St.Hilaire, Sr
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doohickey

Post by Mark St.Hilaire, Sr » Sun Feb 09, 2003 4:29 pm

> Okay, I'm new to motorcycling and the KLR 650. That will really > be obvious when I ask t his question. What's a doohickey?
Hi Ken, I've been busy with computer motherboard upgrades, and haven't gotten the list posts for a few days. I'm not sure if anyone has answered your question, so, you can take a look at my website page which has the replacement procedure, with pictures. There is also a link to Devon's page, (who worked with Jake Jakeman to develop the first doohickey.) http://klr6500.tripod.com/doohickey.htm Mark KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If you don't get a response, please try: KLR6500@...

runstrom2003
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doohickey

Post by runstrom2003 » Fri May 02, 2003 10:25 pm

Hello, Replaced the Doohickey and spring today on my A13 with 12,000 miles. The installation went very smooth. Just wanted to say thanks to those who contributed to "Mark's KLR pages" which I printed in color from the internet. My old Doohickey and spring were in place and still in good shape. I don't regret replacing them though. Joe in IL

hector_lethbridge
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doohickey

Post by hector_lethbridge » Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:40 pm

well it happened i had ordered doohickey from jake sometime ago and a couple of months ago i picked up a used A6 it had a tick like you had a stone in a tire at about 3000 rpm after swapping front wheel speedo cabel etc tonight i decided to change the doohickey and lo and behold it was bent and was touching to flywheel sprag clutch my noise is gone greeting hector and thanks jake PS if anyone is going to order the doohickey dont delay i feel i just caught what could have been a catastropic failure

nomorenoless
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doohickey

Post by nomorenoless » Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:51 am

I've heard alot of complaints about the balancer and spring assembly needing to be replaced. There are some folks that are just adamant about doing it. The question I have is; If this is such a major problem, why hasn't Kawasaki Of America employed a recall on the bike for this defect and offered a replacement to the folks who have had the problem. I surely would not want this to happen on my bike and if it did, I would highly question the manufacturer for allowing such a defect to go out in to production. I feel that as a vehicle owner, a problem such as this should be at the manufacturer's expense, not mine. Thoughts? -Mike

bigfatgreenbike@netscape.net
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doohickey

Post by bigfatgreenbike@netscape.net » Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:00 pm

"nomorenoless" wrote:
>I've heard alot of complaints about the balancer and spring assembly >needing to be replaced. There are some folks that are just adamant >about doing it. The question I have is; If this is such a major >problem, why hasn't Kawasaki Of America employed a recall....
snip Define "major". The actual percentage of bikes with engine failures due to the balancer chain tensioner, is relatively small. I still consider it unacceptable though. I guess if you can spend $80 to fix the problem, it's less grief than trying to bully Kawasaki into changing the design. Yes, we're "enabling" Kawasaki's laziness, but I'd rather spend my energy other places. Devon -- Brooklyn '01 A15-Z KLR650 '81 SR500 __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

dumbazz650
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doohickey

Post by dumbazz650 » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:26 pm

In principle Kawasaki should recognize the QC issues with the current doohickey and spring and recall the bikes and replace the unit with something of much better quality. That price would be passed on to customers, one way or the other. We should all report the findings of our doohickey review on our own bikes through the appropriate regulatory channel. This gives ample dcoumentation, should the unthinkable happen, and a rider gets killed or maimed due to a doohickey failure at the worst possible moment. So, in principle, you are correct. To be practical, however, we're glad to have the "not particularly good at anything" motorcycle for this price. And change the doohickey at our own expense. The long production runs means our add-ons and accessories from our first KLR can be moved over to the new KLR. And the strengths and weakness are still there, like familar pair of shoes. Personally, if I have a KLR650, I'll change the doohickey, regardless of year or warranty. The repair cost is so low, and the risk and consequence is too high to make any other logical choice. (Actually own 3 right now, '87, '89, and '95 and have done them all.) If you're in SoCal, holler, and some one here abouts will lend you the tools and a guiding hand. Locals in nearly every state will likewise give you a hand, schedules permitting. It's like some kind of right of passage, that bonds rider to bike. It really is that big of a deal, and I'm confident that the later models have a much higher failure rate than the earlier models. Choose either Mike's (Eagle) or Jake's (Sagebrush), but plan on replacing it soon. The replacement unit will outlast at least three KLR bikes, so you can wear out the bike, and move your doohickey to the next one when you move up. Good luck, MarkB --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "nomorenoless" wrote:
> I've heard alot of complaints about the balancer and spring
assembly
> needing to be replaced. There are some folks that are just adamant > about doing it. The question I have is; If this is such a major > problem, why hasn't Kawasaki Of America employed a recall on the
bike
> for this defect and offered a replacement to the folks who have had > the problem. I surely would not want this to happen on my bike and
if
> it did, I would highly question the manufacturer for allowing such
a
> defect to go out in to production. > > I feel that as a vehicle owner, a problem such as this should be at > the manufacturer's expense, not mine. > > Thoughts? > > -Mike

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