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[Charles]

Attachments : #ygrps-yiv-555307982 .ygrps-yiv-555307982ygrp-photo-title { TEXT-ALIGN:center;WIDTH:75px;HEIGHT:15px;CLEAR:both;FONT-SIZE:smaller;OVERFLOW:hidden;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982ygrp-photo { BORDER-BOTTOM:black 1px solid;BORDER-LEFT:black 1px solid;BACKGROUND-COLOR:white;WIDTH:62px;BACKGROUND-REPEAT:no-repeat;BACKGROUND-POSITION:center 50%;HEIGHT:62px;BORDER-TOP:black 1px solid;BORDER-RIGHT:black 1px solid;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982photo-title A { TEXT-DECORATION:none;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982photo-title A:active { TEXT-DECORATION:none;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982photo-title A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION:none;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982photo-title A:visited { TEXT-DECORATION:none;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-table DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-row { CLEAR:both;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-table DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-row DIV { FLOAT:left;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 P { PADDING-BOTTOM:3px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;CLEAR:both;OVERFLOW:hidden;PADDING-TOP:15px;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982ygrp-file { WIDTH:30px;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-table DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-row DIV DIV A { TEXT-DECORATION:none;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-table DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982attach-row DIV DIV SPAN { FONT-WEIGHT:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-555307982 DIV.ygrps-yiv-555307982ygrp-file-title { FONT-WEIGHT:bold;}   I beg to differ.  You are absolutely wrong on this point.   These people DID come from other countries, specifically to go to the Cleveland Clinic.   These were NOT Americans of various ethnicities or nationalities, part of the great "melting pot".  These were FOREIGN visitors, who actually came from other countries, to go to this clinic.   I was there.  I saw it.  I met with, and talked with those people.  You can have whatever opinion you choose to have.  That is part of the wonderful freedom we have in this country; but don't tell me what I saw and experienced personally, because you weren't there and I was. Chuck F. NE PA  

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] marat713@...   To the other who said why are all these people from all over their world at his Cleveland Hospital, well simple explanation is that US like many other countries is a melting pot of nationalities and this has nothing to do with them specifically coming to especially "Cleveland" to get health care.

[Thomas Komjathy]

You can bet I will be voting! I would have no right to opine if I didn't vote. [b]From:[/b] albatrossklr [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 6:21:55 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare...   I'll not weigh-in with an opinion..... ...... I will ask that each of you who expressed an opinion spend as much energy gaining a good understanding of the position every candidate in your part of the country (D sol Luc, cette page est de US concentr ) supports and how they have voted over the years on healthcare bills at the federal & state levels. Then, get out and vote and get as many people as you can to vote for the candidate you pick. We spend a lot of time pontificating and should spend as much time helping make the decision by voting. albatross... ... flying away

[Marat Valegh]

[Charles]

Now you're putting words in my mouth.  Please READ before you reply.   Apparently you don't have the ability to discern what I wrote. I didn't "interview" these families; I TALKED with them.  We shared our children's storys.  We were "friends".  They came here for treatment that they could not receive at home.  And, these people were thrilled to be here. And, yes, I'm saying "don't tell me what *I* experienced".  If you cannot grasp that concept then you are just arguing to argue.  You were not there.  I was.  Therefore, you cannot know what I saw, what I heard, etc.  I never said your opinion didn't matter.  I said what MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE was.  That, you cannot dictate, because you are not me.  It wasn't all that hard to understand.    As far as telling you to go back where you came from; I never did that.  But I find it VERY amusing when someone comes here, from ANYWHERE else, and tells me how great it is in that wonderful somewhere else that THEY LEFT.  If it was that great somewhere else, they'd be there and not here. You are more than welcome to stay here in the USA.  I never said otherwise.  Just don't tell me how great your old home, the one that you left, is, compared to the place that you choose to reside now.  Because, if it was that great, YOU would choose to go back there rather than stay here.    Chuck F. NE PA

On Mar 9, 2010, at 19:40, Marat Valegh wrote:

Well Chuck good for you and all the emotion this so called wonderful freedom gives us. "Don't tell me this, don't tell me that." What's next, you're gonna tell me to go back to the country I came from? Oh, yeah you were so interested in this topic that you interviewed all these people about why they chose this clinic and why they came to the states for health care and why theirs was worse. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe these Foreigners have been misinformed about the health care here? I mean if you go abroad people have completely different views of America in general, views that change very quickly once they get here. Just food for thought.   Marat  [b]From:[/b] Charles [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 3:15:58 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare...     I beg to differ.  You are absolutely wrong on this point.   These people DID come from other countries, specifically to go to the Cleveland Clinic.   These were NOT Americans of various ethnicities or nationalities, part of the great "melting pot".  These were FOREIGN visitors, who actually came from other countries, to go to this clinic.   I was there.  I saw it.  I met with, and talked with those people.  You can have whatever opinion you choose to have.  That is part of the wonderful freedom we have in this country; but don't tell me what I saw and experienced personally, because you weren't there and I was. Chuck F. NE PA   ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] marat713@...   To the other who said why are all these people from all over their world at his Cleveland Hospital, well simple explanation is that US like many other countries is a melting pot of nationalities and this has nothing to do with them specifically coming to especially "Cleveland" to get health care.

[Marat Valegh]

[Fred Hink]

OK, enough already.  It's time for you two to take your problems with each other off this list. Fred List Admin.     [b]From:[/b] marat713@... [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:32 PM [b]To:[/b] charlesf@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare...   I find you amusing.  Well I planted that sentence in my post to find the exact reaction that I expected from you and many other patriotic/media brainwashed Americans out there. I did not start this pointless thread, only opinionated. FIRST of all, I never said how much better other places are compared to the US as a whole, only that when it comes to Health Care this place for the lack of better words is CRAP. And by the way did I ever say that I left some place to come here? I did not have say as to which country I grew up in. I just happened to grow up in two very different countries. Hell, I don't know maybe I will move back to my birthplace one day, but residing in a country made up of immigrants there is no such thing as "I should not tell you how great other places are". You sir are not originally from here either, so should you keep your mouth shut when you don't like something, or when you do like something from another country or place? If you grew up say in rural Alaska and live in New York City and tell all the New Yorkers how much you miss some things in Alaska, what would you feel when the New Yorkers tell you "to go back there if you like it so much"? Maybe you have family and friends or job that is holding you in New York. Anyways the point being is this kind of thinking only proves how ignorant some of us can be.  Now lets see who can end this nonsense first. [b]From:[/b] Charles [b]To:[/b] Marat Valegh ; "DSN_KLR650@ yahoogroups. com" [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 6:58:15 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. . Now you're putting words in my mouth.  Please READ before you reply.   Apparently you don't have the ability to discern what I wrote. I didn't "interview" these families; I TALKED with them.  We shared our children's storys.  We were "friends".  They came here for treatment that they could not receive at home.  And, these people were thrilled to be here. And, yes, I'm saying "don't tell me what *I* experienced" .  If you cannot grasp that concept then you are just arguing to argue.  You were not there.  I was.  Therefore, you cannot know what I saw, what I heard, etc.  I never said your opinion didn't matter.  I said what MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE was.  That, you cannot dictate, because you are not me.  It wasn't all that hard to understand.    As far as telling you to go back where you came from; I never did that.  But I find it VERY amusing when someone comes here, from ANYWHERE else, and tells me how great it is in that wonderful somewhere else that THEY LEFT.  If it was that great somewhere else, they'd be there and not here. You are more than welcome to stay here in the USA.  I never said otherwise.  Just don't tell me how great your old home, the one that you left, is, compared to the place that you choose to reside now.  Because, if it was that great, YOU would choose to go back there rather than stay here.    Chuck F.  NE PA On Mar 9, 2010, at 19:40, Marat Valegh wrote:

Well Chuck good for you and all the emotion this so called wonderful freedom gives us. "Don't tell me this, don't tell me that." What's next, you're gonna tell me to go back to the country I came from? Oh, yeah you were so interested in this topic that you interviewed all these people about why they chose this clinic and why they came to the states for health care and why theirs was worse. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe these Foreigners have been misinformed about the health care here? I mean if you go abroad people have completely different views of America in general, views that change very quickly once they get here. Just food for thought.   Marat  [b]From:[/b] Charles [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 3:15:58 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. .  

  I beg to differ.  You are absolutely wrong on this point.   These people DID come from other countries, specifically to go to the Cleveland Clinic.   These were NOT Americans of various ethnicities or nationalities, part of the great "melting pot".  These were FOREIGN visitors, who actually came from other countries, to go to this clinic.   I was there.  I saw it.  I met with, and talked with those people.  You can have whatever opinion you choose to have.  That is part of the wonderful freedom we have in this country; but don't tell me what I saw and experienced personally, because you weren't there and I was. Chuck F. NE PA   ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] marat713@...   To the other who said why are all these people from all over their world at his Cleveland Hospital, well simple explanation is that US like many other countries is a melting pot of nationalities and this has nothing to do with them specifically coming to especially "Cleveland" to get health care.

[Charles]

Attachments : #ygrps-yiv-629202397 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Interesting, your intentional "baiting", as you freely admit to.    I am, in fact, NATIVE American, as well as being personally born here - I am NOT an immigrant........... Perhaps an ancestor was, way back, but I am not.  If you want to play that card, then NO ONE is native of anywhere.  But, as far as REALITY goes, I am a NATIVE American.  That said:     I came from a father who was born here, and a grandfather who was born here, and a great-grandfather who was born here, and so on, and so on.  And, I still embrace my other heritage, that of my Irish / English mother, and the Dutch / Jewish from God only knows where.  But, that is not, nor never was, the issue.   Also, yes, if I were working in NY, and was telling my co-workers every day how great Alaska is, and how much NY sucks, then YES, I would expect those New Yorkers to tell me to go the #@&* home or shut up.   And, I would deserve it for being a total douchebag.  When you go anywhere, within the US or outside the US; YOU assimilate to the culture, you don't expect the culture to assimilate to you.   You are arguing simply to argue.  You have not made a valid point.  You simply want to say America's health care sucks, somewhere else is better (and you either are or are not from that somewhere else, and I don't really care - if you are US born, or not, you are still wrong, and arguing just to argue).   I have fantastic health care.  I am extremely pleased with my health care.  I have some of the best health care in the USA, and certainly in the world.  It is most certainly NOT crap.  And, further, I do NOT want the morons in Washington DC to screw it up.  But that isn't your argument, either, is it?  You just want a reason to bash America.   Blind anti-patriotism or anti-Americanism is just as bad as blind-patriotism. Chuck F. NE PA    

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] marat713@... [b]To:[/b] charlesf@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:32 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare... I find you amusing.  Well I planted that sentence in my post to find the exact reaction that I expected from you and many other patriotic/media brainwashed Americans out there. I did not start this pointless thread, only opinionated. FIRST of all, I never said how much better other places are compared to the US as a whole, only that when it comes to Health Care this place for the lack of better words is CRAP. And by the way did I ever say that I left some place to come here? I did not have say as to which country I grew up in. I just happened to grow up in two very different countries. Hell, I don't know maybe I will move back to my birthplace one day, but residing in a country made up of immigrants there is no such thing as "I should not tell you how great other places are". You sir are not originally from here either, so should you keep your mouth shut when you don't like something, or when you do like something from another country or place? If you grew up say in rural Alaska and live in New York City and tell all the New Yorkers how much you miss some things in Alaska, what would you feel when the New Yorkers tell you "to go back there if you like it so much"? Maybe you have family and friends or job that is holding you in New York. Anyways the point being is this kind of thinking only proves how ignorant some of us can be.  Now lets see who can end this nonsense first. [b]From:[/b] Charles [b]To:[/b] Marat Valegh ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 6:58:15 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare... Now you're putting words in my mouth.  Please READ before you reply.   Apparently you don't have the ability to discern what I wrote. I didn't "interview" these families; I TALKED with them.  We shared our children's storys.  We were "friends".  They came here for treatment that they could not receive at home.  And, these people were thrilled to be here. And, yes, I'm saying "don't tell me what *I* experienced".  If you cannot grasp that concept then you are just arguing to argue.  You were not there.  I was.  Therefore, you cannot know what I saw, what I heard, etc.  I never said your opinion didn't matter.  I said what MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE was.  That, you cannot dictate, because you are not me.  It wasn't all that hard to understand.    As far as telling you to go back where you came from; I never did that.  But I find it VERY amusing when someone comes here, from ANYWHERE else, and tells me how great it is in that wonderful somewhere else that THEY LEFT.  If it was that great somewhere else, they'd be there and not here. You are more than welcome to stay here in the USA.  I never said otherwise.  Just don't tell me how great your old home, the one that you left, is, compared to the place that you choose to reside now.  Because, if it was that great, YOU would choose to go back there rather than stay here.    Chuck F.  NE PA On Mar 9, 2010, at 19:40, Marat Valegh wrote: Well Chuck good for you and all the emotion this so called wonderful freedom gives us. "Don't tell me this, don't tell me that." What's next, you're gonna tell me to go back to the country I came from? Oh, yeah you were so interested in this topic that you interviewed all these people about why they chose this clinic and why they came to the states for health care and why theirs was worse. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe these Foreigners have been misinformed about the health care here? I mean if you go abroad people have completely different views of America in general, views that change very quickly once they get here. Just food for thought.   Marat  [b]From:[/b] Charles [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 3:15:58 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare...     I beg to differ.  You are absolutely wrong on this point.   These people DID come from other countries, specifically to go to the Cleveland Clinic.   These were NOT Americans of various ethnicities or nationalities, part of the great "melting pot".  These were FOREIGN visitors, who actually came from other countries, to go to this clinic.   I was there.  I saw it.  I met with, and talked with those people.  You can have whatever opinion you choose to have.  That is part of the wonderful freedom we have in this country; but don't tell me what I saw and experienced personally, because you weren't there and I was. Chuck F. NE PA   ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] marat713@...   To the other who said why are all these people from all over their world at his Cleveland Hospital, well simple explanation is that US like many other countries is a melting pot of nationalities and this has nothing to do with them specifically coming to especially "Cleveland" to get health care.

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[Luc Legrain]

[Luc Legrain]

All, Maybe it's just me, but everytime there is a NKLR discussion going on it seems like listers, I didn't think existed, come out of the wood work to add gas to the fire,have you noticed that ? Could they be Al-Qaida desinformants trying to spread chaos and confusion among a loose knit group of people ? Could they be C.I.A ( not this ONE !! the other one : Culinary Institute of America ) gathering recipes for THEM ? I do not know ,but it seems VERY suspicious to me ...... Any ways , my trusted Aztec Red ( could I be a communist ?? ) steed is ready, and at the first sign of trouble I am heading for the good old U.S.S.R. or maybe China .............

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Luc Legrain wrote:

> > Hey y'all !!! > Read and re-read Fred's answer , THAT 'S MODERATION !!!! >

Luc, If you read it twice, that would be modulation. If you read it once, that is reading with moderation. revmaaatin.