fine> > Doesn't aren't you pretty much describe the BMW F650 GS? This is one
> bike, but pricey and you have to deal with BMW mechanics. HOwever, you > wouldn't have to deal with the Kawa mechanics. Life is just one big > trade-off. > >
fine> > Doesn't aren't you pretty much describe the BMW F650 GS? This is one
> bike, but pricey and you have to deal with BMW mechanics. HOwever, you > wouldn't have to deal with the Kawa mechanics. Life is just one big > trade-off. > >
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Al Maurine wrote: > Not so! THe F650 'Dakar' is only about 30/40 lbs > heavier if that. It carries the fuel under the seat > and is much easier to handle on the trail not having 6 > gals. of gas moving around up high. I have the > Staintune exhaust and did the air box mod on it to get > a good 5/7 hp more .. and it gets an honest 70 mpg on > the trails. Last year I rode it to the Spokane MOA > rally .. 4500 miles RT for me and I was usually > cooking along at 85 mph .. per GPS .. that got me an > overall 60 mpg for the trip average. THe F650 will > litterally run away from a KLR .. all depends on the > rider really though.
That has generally been my experience as well. However, every once in a while I get out on a trail ride with somebody who can ride on an F650. Some guys can manage quite well in places where I know I would struggle on the same bike. Makes me glad I chose to ride something more in keeping with my skills.> > Al, > I accept the challenge. The next time you are out here along the > Eastern Sierras around Tahoe we will see which bikes handles the off > road better. No pavement, all dirt. A mixture of fire road, quad > trails and single track that has been used in a national enduro 'A' loop. > > I've come across a lot of FS650 Dakars in the AMA DS rides I've done > and every one of them have struggled with the designated route, let > alone trying the 'A' routes with the rest of the big boys. >
Hi Pat, I'm going to have to agree with Al on this one. I reckon the riders you have seen on F650s are the limiting factor. I too thought that the F650s were not up to snuff, but I had my mind changed for me on LA-B-V a couple of years ago. Two guys on well sorted F650s absolutley flew the whole time, including the tough stuff. One of them I had seen on this ride a couple of times before, on an older BMW P/D with a 9 gallon tank. Maybe the lighter weight set him free, I don't know, but those guys were definitely far from "struggling". Cheers CA Stu> -----Original Message----- > > Al, > I accept the challenge. The next time you are out here along the > Eastern Sierras around Tahoe we will see which bikes handles the off > road better. No pavement, all dirt. A mixture of fire road, quad > trails and single track that has been used in a national enduro 'A' loop. > > I've come across a lot of FS650 Dakars in the AMA DS rides I've done > and every one of them have struggled with the designated route, let > alone trying the 'A' routes with the rest of the big boys. > > Pat > G'ville, NV > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Al Maurine wrote: > > Not so! THe F650 'Dakar' is only about 30/40 lbs > > heavier if that. It carries the fuel under the seat > > and is much easier to handle on the trail not having 6 > > gals. of gas moving around up high. I have the > > Staintune exhaust and did the air box mod on it to get > > a good 5/7 hp more .. and it gets an honest 70 mpg on > > the trails. Last year I rode it to the Spokane MOA > > rally .. 4500 miles RT for me and I was usually > > cooking along at 85 mph .. per GPS .. that got me an > > overall 60 mpg for the trip average. THe F650 will > > litterally run away from a KLR .. all depends on the > > rider really though. >
off> > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Al, > > I accept the challenge. The next time you are out here along the > > Eastern Sierras around Tahoe we will see which bikes handles the
enduro 'A' loop.> > road better. No pavement, all dirt. A mixture of fire road, quad > > trails and single track that has been used in a national
done> > > > I've come across a lot of FS650 Dakars in the AMA DS rides I've
let> > and every one of them have struggled with the designated route,
wrote:> > alone trying the 'A' routes with the rest of the big boys. > > > > Pat > > G'ville, NV > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Al Maurine
you have> > > Not so! THe F650 'Dakar' is only about 30/40 lbs > > > heavier if that. It carries the fuel under the seat > > > and is much easier to handle on the trail not having 6 > > > gals. of gas moving around up high. I have the > > > Staintune exhaust and did the air box mod on it to get > > > a good 5/7 hp more .. and it gets an honest 70 mpg on > > > the trails. Last year I rode it to the Spokane MOA > > > rally .. 4500 miles RT for me and I was usually > > > cooking along at 85 mph .. per GPS .. that got me an > > > overall 60 mpg for the trip average. THe F650 will > > > litterally run away from a KLR .. all depends on the > > > rider really though. > > > > > Hi Pat, > I'm going to have to agree with Al on this one. I reckon the riders
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free, I don't> BMW P/D with a 9 gallon tank. Maybe the lighter weight set him
> know, but those guys were definitely far from "struggling". > > Cheers > CA Stu
> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47645 > > I'd have a hard time following these guys on a Sherpa. Or DRZ400S I > used to have. > > It's the rider more than the bike. The bike will help out equal > riders > only. > > Too many years to wanna talk about it I used to do wierd things on > a > '69 Norton Commando and even broke the frame in half. > > Andy in SW Louisiana
On Wednesday, December 7, 2005, at 06:35 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > Andy, > > You didn't happen to ride in CT back in '74 did you? I rode a few > times > back then with a guy on a Commando who would jump it sometimes 10 feet > in > the air. A few times he'd land and we'd hear spokes popping. I don't > think the rest of us ever broke a spoke on our bikes. > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 02:04:04 -0000 "Andrus Chesley" > writes: >> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47645 >> >> I'd have a hard time following these guys on a Sherpa. Or DRZ400S I >> used to have. > >
you have> Hi Pat, > I'm going to have to agree with Al on this one. I reckon the riders
were not> seen on F650s are the limiting factor. I too thought that the F650s
years> up to snuff, but I had my mind changed for me on LA-B-V a couple of
including the> ago. > Two guys on well sorted F650s absolutley flew the whole time,
older> tough stuff. > One of them I had seen on this ride a couple of times before, on an
I don't> BMW P/D with a 9 gallon tank. Maybe the lighter weight set him free,
> know, but those guys were definitely far from "struggling". > > Cheers > CA Stu
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