'06 swing arm lube - phase iii

[gregjor]

My '08 has water and wetting agent in the radiator. It was in my unheated garage for a week when the weather was below freezing. A couple of days ago I checked that the overflow tank was not frozen. It started and I rode it but after just a few minutes the temp gauge went way up close to the red marker. It was so cold outside that the temp gauge never went into the red. I let the bike sit in my girlfriend's heated garage until today when the outside temps came back up, then rode it home. Same thing happened -- as soon as the bike warmed up the temp gauge climbed up close to the red. There's no sign of leakage or cracks and the coolant level in the overflow tank is good. Is my thermostat busted or is something else wrong? I'm guessing the freezing weather damaged something. Thanks. Greg Jorgensen Portland, Oregon

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1495368505 p {margin:0;}Sounds like the thermostat could be stuck/frozen/plugged or there is an ice plug in some hose. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "gregjor" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:21:52 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] overheating after freezing weather   My '08 has water and wetting agent in the radiator. It was in my unheated garage for a week when the weather was below freezing. A couple of days ago I checked that the overflow tank was not frozen. It started and I rode it but after just a few minutes the temp gauge went way up close to the red marker. It was so cold outside that the temp gauge never went into the red. I let the bike sit in my girlfriend's heated garage until today when the outside temps came back up, then rode it home. Same thing happened -- as soon as the bike warmed up the temp gauge climbed up close to the red. There's no sign of leakage or cracks and the coolant level in the overflow tank is good. Is my thermostat busted or is something else wrong? I'm guessing the freezing weather damaged something. Thanks. Greg Jorgensen Portland, Oregon

[Thomas Komjathy]

Ummmmm...Dude, get that water wetting agent out of there, it isn't suitable for cold weather and if you didn't crack something, you are a lucky duck. 50/50 anti-freeze is what you need, the kind that is silica free + distilled water. TK [b]From:[/b] Jeff Khoury [b]To:[/b] gregjor [b]Cc:[/b] DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, December 15, 2009 7:32:49 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] overheating after freezing weather   Sounds like the thermostat could be stuck/frozen/ plugged or there is an ice plug in some hose. -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "gregjor" To: "DSN KLR650" ups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 4:21:52 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] overheating after freezing weather   My '08 has water and wetting agent in the radiator. It was in my unheated garage for a week when the weather was below freezing. A couple of days ago I checked that the overflow tank was not frozen. It started and I rode it but after just a few minutes the temp gauge went way up close to the red marker. It was so cold outside that the temp gauge never went into the red. I let the bike sit in my girlfriend's heated garage until today when the outside temps came back up, then rode it home. Same thing happened -- as soon as the bike warmed up the temp gauge climbed up close to the red. There's no sign of leakage or cracks and the coolant level in the overflow tank is good. Is my thermostat busted or is something else wrong? I'm guessing the freezing weather damaged something. Thanks. Greg Jorgensen Portland, Oregon

[spike55_bmw]

My two-cents is: The bike came from the factory / dealer with a 50/50 blend of antifreeze / distilled water in it. There is a reason for that, that blend works year-round, it protects the dis-similar metals in the system from corroding, unless you race the bike and anti-freeze is prohibited by the track, 50/50 is what should be in there and refreshed every 3 yrs. It sounds like your cooling system froze. Water expands when it freezes and the metal / plastic parts may now be cracked. The frozen water wouldn't allow for proper circulation to occur and the engine overheated. The overheating could have deformed your cylinder and you'll see increased oil use. It could have warped the cylinder head (where your temp sensor sits beside the spark plug) and the head gasket will leak combustion gases and coolant. May need to rebuild the top-end of the engine. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gregjor" wrote: > > My '08 has water and wetting agent in the radiator. It was in my unheated garage for a week when the weather was below freezing. A couple of days ago I checked that the overflow tank was not frozen. It started and I rode it but after just a few minutes the temp gauge went way up close to the red marker. It was so cold outside that the temp gauge never went into the red. > > I let the bike sit in my girlfriend's heated garage until today when the outside temps came back up, then rode it home. Same thing happened -- as soon as the bike warmed up the temp gauge climbed up close to the red. > > There's no sign of leakage or cracks and the coolant level in the overflow tank is good. > > Is my thermostat busted or is something else wrong? I'm guessing the freezing weather damaged something. > > Thanks. > > Greg Jorgensen > Portland, Oregon >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "spike55_bmw" wrote:

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> It sounds like your cooling system froze.

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> > Don R100, A6F > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gregjor" wrote:

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> > Is my thermostat busted or is something else wrong? I'm guessing the freezing weather damaged something. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Greg Jorgensen

Greg- Hope for the best, look for the worst. Don described a bunch of stuff that could happen--lets hope that did not happen! Take a look at your oil and see if it has gone milky. If so, That's bad--as its an indication of water in the oil--which leads to really bad stuff like spun bearings. One thing not mentioned is a broken water pump shaft--which is difficult to diagnose from here, but if you are not circulating water--it can be a culprit indicating high temps. (Yeah, that bad as well.) What to do, what to do? If there is no incication of oil in the water, I would-- remove the therostat (unless someone else here thinks otherwise) and run the bike without it and see if the conditions you describe repeat themselves. ie immediate high temp indications. If they do, I would suspect you have a sheared water pump shaft. or, it could be (Hope for this) a faulty temp sensor/sending unit. It seems to me that the temp sensor can be trouble shot using a volt-ohm meter (that someone else will have to describe 'how'). If you choose to check the thermostat first: The thermostat is behind the housing, on the top right of the engine. A 2d set of KiLeRista eyes is also good. Ask for a KLR'guru' that lives near by to come and see what ails you. Please let us know what you find out. revmaaatin.

[D Critchley]

Folks, I seem to remember that water is at its' largest just before it actually freezes. At 37 deg F. So waiting until the temp is 32 deg F before reacting may be a little too late. Anyone wishing to correct this pearl of wisdom, go for it, it is remembered data and I was in error once before. DC spike55_bmw wrote:

> > > My two-cents is: The bike came from the factory / dealer with a 50/50 > blend of antifreeze / distilled water in it. There is a reason for that, > that blend works year-round, it protects the dis-similar metals in the > system from corroding, unless you race the bike and anti-freeze is > prohibited by the track, 50/50 is what should be in there and refreshed > every 3 yrs. > > It sounds like your cooling system froze. Water expands when it freezes > and the metal / plastic parts may now be cracked. The frozen water > wouldn't allow for proper circulation to occur and the engine

[spike55_bmw]

Steam is even larger and with more energy. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, D Critchley wrote: > > Folks, I seem to remember that water is at its' largest just before it > actually freezes. At 37 deg F. So waiting until the temp is 32 deg F > before reacting may be a little too late. > Anyone wishing to correct this pearl of wisdom, go for it, it is > remembered data and I was in error once before. > DC > > spike55_bmw wrote: > > > > > > My two-cents is: The bike came from the factory / dealer with a 50/50 > > blend of antifreeze / distilled water in it. There is a reason for that, > > that blend works year-round, it protects the dis-similar metals in the > > system from corroding, unless you race the bike and anti-freeze is > > prohibited by the track, 50/50 is what should be in there and refreshed > > every 3 yrs. > > > > It sounds like your cooling system froze. Water expands when it freezes > > and the metal / plastic parts may now be cracked. The frozen water > > wouldn't allow for proper circulation to occur and the engine >

[Harry Seifert]

Water does expand by a factor of approximately 1.20 at a point just above freezing. Water really expands, by a factor of 1636, one gallon of water makes 1636 gallons of steam. Just ask your local firefighter. Buddy

On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:37 PM, D Critchley wrote: > Folks, I seem to remember that water is at its' largest just before it > actually freezes. At 37 deg F. So waiting until the temp is 32 deg F > before reacting may be a little too late. > Anyone wishing to correct this pearl of wisdom, go for it, it is > remembered data and I was in error once before. > DC > > spike55_bmw wrote: >> >> >> My two-cents is: The bike came from the factory / dealer with a 50/50 >> blend of antifreeze / distilled water in it. There is a reason for that, >> that blend works year-round, it protects the dis-similar metals in the >> system from corroding, unless you race the bike and anti-freeze is >> prohibited by the track, 50/50 is what should be in there and refreshed >> every 3 yrs. >> >> It sounds like your cooling system froze. Water expands when it freezes >> and the metal / plastic parts may now be cracked. The frozen water >> wouldn't allow for proper circulation to occur and the engine > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[D Critchley]

Not much steam at the freezing temperatures we are discussing. DC Harry Seifert wrote:

> > > Water does expand by a factor of approximately 1.20 at a point just > above freezing. Water really expands, by a factor of 1636, one gallon of > water makes 1636 gallons of steam. Just ask your local firefighter. > > Buddy > On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:37 PM, D Critchley wrote: > > > Folks, I seem to remember that water is at its' largest just before it

[spike55_bmw]

The basement could have been frozen but that head temp said there was steam in the attic. It'll be great to hear back on the '08 to see what really happened if anything. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, D Critchley wrote: > > Not much steam at the freezing temperatures we are discussing. > DC > > Harry Seifert wrote: > > > > > > Water does expand by a factor of approximately 1.20 at a point just > > above freezing. Water really expands, by a factor of 1636, one gallon of > > water makes 1636 gallons of steam. Just ask your local firefighter. > > > > Buddy > > On Dec 16, 2009, at 1:37 PM, D Critchley wrote: > > > > > Folks, I seem to remember that water is at its' largest just before it >