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[biloxipd151]

After many years of getting great information from this group, I want to share my experience and ask a question. I have been riding for around 20years. After all the talk from the bmw crowd about bullet proof bikes I took the bait. In 2002 I started riding my first bmw, an 02 1150. Beautiful bike, awesome abs system,very comfortable, but the quality was questionable. The transmission was always jumping gears, two clutch failures and numerous little bugs caused me to upgrade my 02 with only 24000 to a new 04. 600 miles into the 04 the cylinder is blown.I had it with the boxer motors. Even thou I had no major motor failures, I never liked the way the bike would pull you up or down in the corners while accelerating.That plus they had no power. Next up is an 07 or 08, cant remember,4cylinder 1200 with alot more power. Handling is better, but cant tell you much more because of the numerous electrical problems that have resulted in it sitting at the dealership for months. In the bikes defense, I ride every bike like they are stolen. Wheelies on a street 1150 rt, you bet. My question is in my motoring history I have never had this much major trouble from one manufacturer. Am I getting all the lemons? I do want to give the bmw 650 dualsport a try but if history repeats itself I am done with them the next problem I have. If you need me I will be on the klr or dr 650. The ones that I have no idea what the cylinder or tranmission looks like, bc I have never seen them. How can I get 20000 plus trouble free dualsport miles on klrs, drs, and xrs and I have been into 4 transmission, 2 motors, and numerous other problems on the bmws?

[Rick McCauley]

I don't know about anyone else, but when i think of BMW, and quality, the bikes that come to mind, are the old Air Heads. The newer air/oil cooled series engine isn't as understressed. IMHO.. Not saying the new ones are junk by any means but just not built with overkill like the old ones. I'll take an old one anyday.. Rick A17 ________________________________ From: biloxipd151 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:08:57 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] BMW quality After many years of getting great information from this group, I want to share my experience and ask a question. I have been riding for around 20years. After all the talk from the bmw crowd about bullet proof bikes I took the bait. In 2002 I started riding my first bmw, an 02 1150. Beautiful bike, awesome abs system,very comfortable, but the quality was questionable. The transmission was always jumping gears, two clutch failures and numerous little bugs caused me to upgrade my 02 with only 24000 to a new 04. 600 miles into the 04 the cylinder is blown.I had it with the boxer motors. Even thou I had no major motor failures, I never liked the way the bike would pull you up or down in the corners while accelerating. That plus they had no power. Next up is an 07 or 08, cant remember,4cylinder 1200 with alot more power. Handling is better, but cant tell you much more because of the numerous electrical problems that have resulted in it sitting at the dealership for months. In the bikes defense, I ride every bike like they are stolen. Wheelies on a street 1150 rt, you bet. My question is in my motoring history I have never had this much major trouble from one manufacturer. Am I getting all the lemons? I do want to give the bmw 650 dualsport a try but if history repeats itself I am done with them the next problem I have. If you need me I will be on the klr or dr 650. The ones that I have no idea what the cylinder or tranmission looks like, bc I have never seen them. How can I get 20000 plus trouble free dualsport miles on klrs, drs, and xrs and I have been into 4 transmission, 2 motors, and numerous other problems on the bmws? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Norloff]

Having owned a BMW, and been happy to sell it after owning it only a year, I question "BMW Quality". I bought a Honda ST1100 for the same price as the BMW and a year of maintenance. The Honda is what I thought I was getting when I bought the BMW. An interesting note on "BMW Quality" -- two IronButt BMW riders carried complete replacement final drive units with them during the rally, due to the multiple 'isolated incidents' (BMW management term) that have occurred. Chris Rick McCauley wrote:

> I don't know about anyone else, but when i think of BMW, and quality, the bikes that come to mind, > are the old Air Heads. The newer air/oil cooled series engine isn't as understressed. IMHO.. > Not saying the new ones are junk by any means but just not built with overkill like the old ones. > I'll take an old one anyday.. > > Rick > A17 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: biloxipd151 > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:08:57 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] BMW quality > > > After many years of getting great information from this group, I want to share my experience and ask a question. > > I have been riding for around 20years. After all the talk from the bmw crowd about bullet proof bikes I took the bait. In 2002 I started riding my first bmw, an 02 1150. Beautiful bike, awesome abs system,very comfortable, but the quality was questionable. The transmission was always jumping gears, two clutch failures and numerous little bugs caused me to upgrade my 02 with only 24000 to a new 04. 600 miles into the 04 the cylinder is blown.I had it with the boxer motors. Even thou I had no major motor failures, I never liked the way the bike would pull you up or down in the corners while accelerating. That plus they had no power. Next up is an 07 or 08, cant remember,4cylinder 1200 with alot more power. Handling is better, but cant tell you much more because of the numerous electrical problems that have resulted in it sitting at the dealership for months. > > In the bikes defense, I ride every bike like they are stolen. Wheelies on a street 1150 rt, you bet. My question is in my motoring history I have never had this much major trouble from one manufacturer. Am I getting all the lemons? I do want to give the bmw 650 dualsport a try but if history repeats itself I am done with them the next problem I have. > > If you need me I will be on the klr or dr 650. The ones that I have no idea what the cylinder or tranmission looks like, bc I have never seen them. How can I get 20000 plus trouble free dualsport miles on klrs, drs, and xrs and I have been into 4 transmission, 2 motors, and numerous other problems on the bmws? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[James Morrow Sr]

My experience is that the BMW's do last long and go long miles. Everyone I know in my BMW group has over 100,000 miles on BMW's with no major problems. I know of many with 200,000 miles, and more than two with 300,000 and 400,000 miles. All 1100 to 1200 engines. My R1100RT has 125,000 and nothing but fluids, plugs and tires (one alternator belt). It is by far the best two up ergonomic motorcycle I know of (for me I guess). My new GSA is only 20,000 miles, no problems On the other hand, their are many cases of problems with them, just like any other bike. I do not think they really have better quality, service wise, than most other bikes, just that they have better quality construction and parts. If I had to have an inexpensive bike I would have a DL1000, but I have ridden one, and it is nowhere the equial of my 12GSA, not even close. So the trade off is, do you want a less expensive bike, that is not as fun, comfortable, quality a ride all the time, but may not have any more problems than a BWM (or less even). Or do you want the bike that works for you 100% of the time when you are riding. The BMW is the only bike that works for me two up with luggage, so that is what I ride. If I was one up, many more makes would come into play. If it breaks I get it fixed and back in the saddle with a motorcycle that works for me. I would not compromise on what feels good riding, 100% of the time, for something I might think is less troublesome, but not as fulfilling. If I had your troubles I would probably go to a different make too. Just like many BMW riders I know, came for makes that didn't work for them, had lots of troubles. Their is no make that has not been trouble to someone. Lots of choices out their, almost all of them are acceptable. just my $.02

On 9/24/09, biloxipd151 wrote: > > > > After many years of getting great information from this group, I want to > share my experience and ask a question. > > I have been riding for around 20years. After all the talk from the bmw > crowd about bullet proof bikes I took the bait. In 2002 I started riding my > first bmw, an 02 1150. Beautiful bike, awesome abs system,very comfortable, > but the quality was questionable. The transmission was always jumping gears, > two clutch failures and numerous little bugs caused me to upgrade my 02 with > only 24000 to a new 04. 600 miles into the 04 the cylinder is blown.I had it > with the boxer motors. Even thou I had no major motor failures, I never > liked the way the bike would pull you up or down in the corners while > accelerating.That plus they had no power. Next up is an 07 or 08, cant > remember,4cylinder 1200 with alot more power. Handling is better, but cant > tell you much more because of the numerous electrical problems that have > resulted in it sitting at the dealership for months. > > In the bikes defense, I ride every bike like they are stolen. Wheelies on a > street 1150 rt, you bet. My question is in my motoring history I have never > had this much major trouble from one manufacturer. Am I getting all the > lemons? I do want to give the bmw 650 dualsport a try but if history repeats > itself I am done with them the next problem I have. > > If you need me I will be on the klr or dr 650. The ones that I have no idea > what the cylinder or tranmission looks like, bc I have never seen them. How > can I get 20000 plus trouble free dualsport miles on klrs, drs, and xrs and > I have been into 4 transmission, 2 motors, and numerous other problems on > the bmws? > > > -- James Morrow Sr Union, MO '08' R1200GSA '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse '00' BUSA + 15hp '05' KLR650 + big fun factor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

You are not talking about the same BMWs we are talking about. If you respond to a discussion about airheads by telling us the bad news about the new ones, you aren't telling us anything we don't know. ("us" being old BMW riders). Please pay attention. There is a difference between what BMWs used to be and what they are now. What they used to be is better than just about anything you could buy. What they are now is no better than the field, just more expensive.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Chris Norloff wrote: > > Having owned a BMW, and been happy to sell it after owning it only a > year, I question "BMW Quality". I bought a Honda ST1100 for the same > price as the BMW and a year of maintenance. The Honda is what I thought > I was getting when I bought the BMW. > > An interesting note on "BMW Quality" -- two IronButt BMW riders carried > complete replacement final drive units with them during the rally, due > to the multiple 'isolated incidents' (BMW management term) that have > occurred. > > Chris > > > Rick McCauley wrote: > > I don't know about anyone else, but when i think of BMW, and quality, the bikes that come to mind, > > are the old Air Heads. The newer air/oil cooled series engine isn't as understressed. IMHO.. > > Not saying the new ones are junk by any means but just not built with overkill like the old ones. > > I'll take an old one anyday.. > > > > Rick > > A17 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: biloxipd151 > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:08:57 PM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] BMW quality > > > > > > After many years of getting great information from this group, I want to share my experience and ask a question. > > > > I have been riding for around 20years. After all the talk from the bmw crowd about bullet proof bikes I took the bait. In 2002 I started riding my first bmw, an 02 1150. Beautiful bike, awesome abs system,very comfortable, but the quality was questionable. The transmission was always jumping gears, two clutch failures and numerous little bugs caused me to upgrade my 02 with only 24000 to a new 04. 600 miles into the 04 the cylinder is blown.I had it with the boxer motors. Even thou I had no major motor failures, I never liked the way the bike would pull you up or down in the corners while accelerating. That plus they had no power. Next up is an 07 or 08, cant remember,4cylinder 1200 with alot more power. Handling is better, but cant tell you much more because of the numerous electrical problems that have resulted in it sitting at the dealership for months. > > > > In the bikes defense, I ride every bike like they are stolen. Wheelies on a street 1150 rt, you bet. My question is in my motoring history I have never had this much major trouble from one manufacturer. Am I getting all the lemons? I do want to give the bmw 650 dualsport a try but if history repeats itself I am done with them the next problem I have. > > > > If you need me I will be on the klr or dr 650. The ones that I have no idea what the cylinder or tranmission looks like, bc I have never seen them. How can I get 20000 plus trouble free dualsport miles on klrs, drs, and xrs and I have been into 4 transmission, 2 motors, and numerous other problems on the bmws? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

Friend got just under 300,000 on an ST 1100 Honda. He even rode it to Batapilas twice at the bottom of Copper Canyon. He is an Iron Butt type rider and did 30,000 miles in one month. He traded for another ST. I also ride a Connie and wonder how many miles I will get with it? I like Japnese bikes. Criswell Sent from my iPhone On Sep 24, 2009, at 7:25 PM, James Morrow Sr wrote:

> My experience is that the BMW's do last long and go long miles. > Everyone I > know in my BMW group has over 100,000 miles on BMW's with no major > problems. > I know of many with 200,000 miles, and more than two with 300,000 and > 400,000 miles. All 1100 to 1200 engines. > > My R1100RT has 125,000 and nothing but fluids, plugs and tires (one > alternator belt). It is by far the best two up ergonomic motorcycle > I know > of (for me I guess). > My new GSA is only 20,000 miles, no problems > > On the other hand, their are many cases of problems with them, just > like any > other bike. I do not think they really have better quality, service > wise, > than most other bikes, just that they have better quality > construction and > parts. If I had to have an inexpensive bike I would have a DL1000, > but I > have ridden one, and it is nowhere the equial of my 12GSA, not even > close. > > So the trade off is, do you want a less expensive bike, that is not > as fun, > comfortable, quality a ride all the time, but may not have any more > problems > than a BWM (or less even). Or do you want the bike that works for > you 100% > of the time when you are riding. > > The BMW is the only bike that works for me two up with luggage, so > that is > what I ride. If I was one up, many more makes would come into play. > If it breaks I get it fixed and back in the saddle with a motorcycle > that > works for me. I would not compromise on what feels good riding, 100% > of the > time, for something I might think is less troublesome, but not as > fulfilling. > > If I had your troubles I would probably go to a different make too. > Just > like many BMW riders I know, came for makes that didn't work for > them, had > lots of troubles. > Their is no make that has not been trouble to someone. > > Lots of choices out their, almost all of them are acceptable. > just my $.02 > > On 9/24/09, biloxipd151 wrote: > > > > > > > > After many years of getting great information from this group, I > want to > > share my experience and ask a question. > > > > I have been riding for around 20years. After all the talk from the > bmw > > crowd about bullet proof bikes I took the bait. In 2002 I started > riding my > > first bmw, an 02 1150. Beautiful bike, awesome abs system,very > comfortable, > > but the quality was questionable. The transmission was always > jumping gears, > > two clutch failures and numerous little bugs caused me to upgrade > my 02 with > > only 24000 to a new 04. 600 miles into the 04 the cylinder is > blown.I had it > > with the boxer motors. Even thou I had no major motor failures, I > never > > liked the way the bike would pull you up or down in the corners > while > > accelerating.That plus they had no power. Next up is an 07 or 08, > cant > > remember,4cylinder 1200 with alot more power. Handling is better, > but cant > > tell you much more because of the numerous electrical problems > that have > > resulted in it sitting at the dealership for months. > > > > In the bikes defense, I ride every bike like they are stolen. > Wheelies on a > > street 1150 rt, you bet. My question is in my motoring history I > have never > > had this much major trouble from one manufacturer. Am I getting > all the > > lemons? I do want to give the bmw 650 dualsport a try but if > history repeats > > itself I am done with them the next problem I have. > > > > If you need me I will be on the klr or dr 650. The ones that I > have no idea > > what the cylinder or tranmission looks like, bc I have never seen > them. How > > can I get 20000 plus trouble free dualsport miles on klrs, drs, > and xrs and > > I have been into 4 transmission, 2 motors, and numerous other > problems on > > the bmws? > > > > > > > > -- > James Morrow Sr > Union, MO > '08' R1200GSA > '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse > '00' BUSA + 15hp > '05' KLR650 + big fun factor > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

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[jimklr]

Thought you all might like to give your opinion to your local legislator on this issue. http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/rapidresponse.asp

[John Kokola]

That's a staggering amount of miles for one month. Just saying. --John Kokola roncriswell@... wrote:

> He is an Iron Butt > type rider and did 30,000 miles in one month.