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[getbent_net]

Afternoon all, I have a thread on this issue on klr650.net as well but I thought I would ask here as well. The other day I had the bike out to work, no problems. No problems this year at all in fact. So far I have 400 some miles on the bike this season. While coasting to a stop light the bike sputtered and died. I walked it over to the sidewalk where I was able to get it restarted. It died again while I rolled off the throttle to turn a corner. Again I got it started after about 5 minutes of fiddling. In my garage it ran fine, idled fine, started fine. I took it out for a test ride trying to reproduce the problem. Rolled on the throttle then let it snap closed. It died. Back in the garage I started trouble shooting The bike turns over, but doesn't catch, after a good amount of cranking there is a noticable smell of gas, it smells flooded. --checked all the vacuum and vent lines, nothing pinched or clogged --drained the float bowl. About 2oz of gas in there --Added some seafoam for good measure and voodoo --cleaned the air filter (It was dirty) --Checked the battery, the cells were all low so I replaced it. The next morning after the battery finished its initial change, I wired it up, the bike started right off. I handled repeated starts and shutdowns, even a few burps of the throttle. Satisfied I FOOLISHLY put all the plastic and seat back on. On another test it died... I removed the seat and plastic again. No start, just chugging away without catching. --I pulled off the tank and replaced the spark plug and took a picture of it. I hear there are mystic sages that can read a Bike's future by the color of the spark plug: http://www.getbent.net/klr650/sparkplug.jpg --Since the tank was off I also rotated the carb and cleaned the jets. Took a picture of that as well. Everything looked clean, I couldn't see any varnish or bits of debris. http://www.getbent.net/klr650/carbrotated.jpg --Put the tank back on, and it started right away on the first turn. --Tested by starting, stopping, letting it sit for an hour, starting it again. Everything was looking fine and promissing --While it idled I ran the throttle up to 4000rpm then let it go. It promptly died. --I let it sit over night. Still won't start. That's where I'm at now... Any ideas?

[scouse@scouseandjules.plus.com]

Spark plug looks okay , but what colour spark are you getting ? When you say the battery cells where low... as in low on fluid or low on voltage ? Low on voltage sounds like you may have an electrical problem, you need to check the voltage across the battery when it starts and gets above the charging speed, 1500 RPM You should have between 11.7 -12.3v on a healthy battery before you hit the starter and it should go up to 14.3V when it gets to charging RPM's Also pull the plug and hit the starter with the plug grounded against your syslinder head. You should see a big fat blue spark. If not report back with the colour. HTH Scouse

> Afternoon all, I have a thread on this issue on klr650.net as well but I > thought I would ask here as well. > > The other day I had the bike out to work, no problems. No problems this > year at all in fact. So far I have 400 some miles on the bike this season. > > While coasting to a stop light the bike sputtered and died. I walked it > over to the sidewalk where I was able to get it restarted. > > It died again while I rolled off the throttle to turn a corner. Again I > got it started after about 5 minutes of fiddling. > > In my garage it ran fine, idled fine, started fine. I took it out for a > test ride trying to reproduce the problem. Rolled on the throttle then > let it snap closed. It died. > > Back in the garage I started trouble shooting > > The bike turns over, but doesn't catch, after a good amount of cranking > there is a noticable smell of gas, it smells flooded. > > --checked all the vacuum and vent lines, nothing pinched or clogged > --drained the float bowl. About 2oz of gas in there > --Added some seafoam for good measure and voodoo > --cleaned the air filter (It was dirty) > --Checked the battery, the cells were all low so I replaced it. > > > The next morning after the battery finished its initial change, I wired it > up, the bike started right off. I handled repeated starts and shutdowns, > even a few burps of the throttle. Satisfied I FOOLISHLY put all the > plastic and seat back on. > > On another test it died... I removed the seat and plastic again. > > No start, just chugging away without catching. > > --I pulled off the tank and replaced the spark plug and took a picture of > it. I hear there are mystic sages that can read a Bike's future by the > color of the spark plug: > > http://www.getbent.net/klr650/sparkplug.jpg > > --Since the tank was off I also rotated the carb and cleaned the jets. > Took a picture of that as well. Everything looked clean, I couldn't see > any varnish or bits of debris. > > http://www.getbent.net/klr650/carbrotated.jpg > > --Put the tank back on, and it started right away on the first turn. > --Tested by starting, stopping, letting it sit for an hour, starting it > again. Everything was looking fine and promissing > --While it idled I ran the throttle up to 4000rpm then let it go. It > promptly died. > --I let it sit over night. Still won't start. > > That's where I'm at now... Any ideas? > > > > >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "getbent_net" wrote:

> > Afternoon all, I have a thread on this issue on klr650.net as well but I thought I would ask here as well. > > The other day I had the bike out to work, no problems. No problems this year at all in fact. So far I have 400 some miles on the bike this season. > > While coasting to a stop light the bike sputtered and died. I walked it over to the sidewalk where I was able to get it restarted. > > It died again while I rolled off the throttle to turn a corner. Again I got it started after about 5 minutes of fiddling. > > In my garage it ran fine, idled fine, started fine. I took it out for a test ride trying to reproduce the problem. Rolled on the throttle then let it snap closed. It died. > > Back in the garage I started trouble shooting > > The bike turns over, but doesn't catch, after a good amount of cranking there is a noticeable smell of gas, it smells flooded. > > --checked all the vacuum and vent lines, nothing pinched or clogged > --drained the float bowl. About 2oz of gas in there > --Added some seafoam for good measure and voodoo > --cleaned the air filter (It was dirty) > --Checked the battery, the cells were all low so I replaced it. > > > The next morning after the battery finished its initial change, I wired it up, the bike started right off. I handled repeated starts and shutdowns, even a few burps of the throttle. Satisfied I FOOLISHLY put all the plastic and seat back on. > > On another test it died... I removed the seat and plastic again. > > No start, just chugging away without catching. > > --I pulled off the tank and replaced the spark plug and took a picture of it. I hear there are mystic sages that can read a Bike's future by the color of the spark plug: > > http://www.getbent.net/klr650/sparkplug.jpg > > --Since the tank was off I also rotated the carb and cleaned the jets. > Took a picture of that as well. Everything looked clean, I couldn't see any varnish or bits of debris. > > http://www.getbent.net/klr650/carbrotated.jpg > > --Put the tank back on, and it started right away on the first turn. > --Tested by starting, stopping, letting it sit for an hour, starting it again. Everything was looking fine and promising > --While it idled I ran the throttle up to 4000rpm then let it go. It promptly died. > --I let it sit over night. Still won't start. > > That's where I'm at now... Any ideas? >

get bent, no Mention of checking the valves.... you describe

> It died again while I rolled off the throttle to turn a corner. Again I got it started after about 5 minutes of fiddling.

= one of the Klassik symptoms of tight valves I would check the valve clnc before I did anything else. I would imagine you have an exhaust valve that is at or past min specs. Most here change/set all the valves to 'max' or close to max when they adjust the valves. No, it does not matter that you did it 1000 miles ago.... or the 'shop' said they were all in limits a few weeks ago. . When you do this; Make sure all the planets and stars align, as well as the TDC etal. (=read the procedure carefully, check it twice.) The bikes will sometimes start when they are cold, but rapidly lose their ability to run as the bike warms up =thermal expansion of parts and the valve clnc decreases = a no run bike. Let us know what you find out. Now, Tell us again, why did you replace the battery? Was it low voltage or low water? Each cell can be serviced (must be serviced every 1000/1500 smiles) when it is hot outside with distilled water. This is normal maintenance that should be done with each oil change. Place the battery on a slow charger afterwards, or take it for a ride after service--following those guide lines, you should get 3-4 years out of a battery. I get 4+ years easily on a lead acid battery. If you don't watch the fluid level, you will/could be replacing the battery annually. If you have not trashed the old battery or turned it in yet, service it with distilled water, charge, and if the voltage is 12.6v or more, you still have a viable battery--that at the very least, you can give to another starving KiLeRista. Now, for a short story: I was with a guy last year that at 7K KLR smiles, he did not know that you had to add water. cough. Needless to say, it needed a drink. that would be--a lot of drink. He was lucky that day--that I asked about his battery, and that I drink distilled water. I was also lucky--as I did not have to ride somewhere and find him a battery (which we could have bump started, as necessary, etc.) revmaaatin.

[Larry]

You may want to check your wiring harness under the seat and also at the front where it exits between the tank and the frame. http://www.klrworld.com/forums/index.php?topic=12182.msg137419 LB.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "getbent_net" wrote: > > Afternoon all, I have a thread on this issue on klr650.net as well but I thought I would ask here as well. > > The other day I had the bike out to work, no problems. No problems this year at all in fact. So far I have 400 some miles on the bike this season. > > While coasting to a stop light the bike sputtered and died. I walked it over to the sidewalk where I was able to get it restarted. > >

[nakedwaterskier]

If and when you figure it out, you should sell it and get an 07

[Jud Jones]

Drain the float bowl. Check the carb vent, gas tank venting and vacuum to the petcock. check the valve clearances. Check the clutch and sidestand interlocks. check for spark after it quits (we assume you have it when it's running). Check the float level, and free movement of the float. Check the taper on the float needle. Check for swarf in the float bowl. Not necessarily in that order, but one at a time (except all the stuff that needs the float bowl off).

[getbent_net]

Hi Jud. I pulled the spark plug and let it rest again the top of the case, No spark. I moved it to rest on the cylinder head bolt No spark. I tried to find some bare looking metal within the cables reach No spark. Nary a flicker pop or blue anything. This begs the question, am I checking for spark correctly, if I am, then what shall I take apart next?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > Drain the float bowl. > Check the carb vent, gas tank venting and vacuum to the petcock. > check the valve clearances. > Check the clutch and sidestand interlocks. > check for spark after it quits (we assume you have it when it's running). > Check the float level, and free movement of the float. > Check the taper on the float needle. > Check for swarf in the float bowl. > > Not necessarily in that order, but one at a time (except all the stuff that needs the float bowl off). >

[getbent_net]

I pulled the gastank back off and unscrewed the spark plug. I laid the spark plug across the cylendar and turned the starter over. No spark Moved the spark plug around to the bolt making sure the threads touched something. no spark took a picture of how I tested http://www.getbent.net/klr650/checkforspark.jpg First question, am I doing it right. Second question, where to next?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Larry" wrote: > > You may want to check your wiring harness under the seat and also at the front where it exits between the tank and the frame. > http://www.klrworld.com/forums/index.php?topic=12182.msg137419 > LB. > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "getbent_net" wrote: > > > > Afternoon all, I have a thread on this issue on klr650.net as well but I thought I would ask here as well. > > > > The other day I had the bike out to work, no problems. No problems this year at all in fact. So far I have 400 some miles on the bike this season. > > > > While coasting to a stop light the bike sputtered and died. I walked it over to the sidewalk where I was able to get it restarted. > > > > >

[Craig Kahler]

Try testing with another spark plug, preferably new. It dosn't need to be one that fits the bike. Try the kill switch, kickstand switch, clutch switch. Craig Kahler

--- On Thu, 4/16/09, getbent_net wrote: From: getbent_net Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 08 3600 Miles, Stall then won't start, running out of ideas. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 6:35 PM I pulled the gastank back off and unscrewed the spark plug. I laid the spark plug across the cylendar and turned the starter over. No spark Moved the spark plug around to the bolt making sure the threads touched something. no spark took a picture of how I tested http://www.getbent net/klr650/ checkforspark. jpg First question, am I doing it right. Second question, where to next? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Larry" wrote: > > You may want to check your wiring harness under the seat and also at the front where it exits between the tank and the frame. > http://www.klrworld .com/forums/ index.php? topic=12182. msg137419 > LB. > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "getbent_net" wrote: > > > > Afternoon all, I have a thread on this issue on klr650.net as well but I thought I would ask here as well. > > > > The other day I had the bike out to work, no problems. No problems this year at all in fact. So far I have 400 some miles on the bike this season. > > > > While coasting to a stop light the bike sputtered and died. I walked it over to the sidewalk where I was able to get it restarted. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

As an 08 owner with 34000 miles I am almost certain it is the wiring under the tank near the front. It is bound too tight against the frame and shorts out. This is a warranty issue. Sean Brown Looking for the perfect gift for the wife/Mom/or "the person who has everything?" www.brownsbirdestates.com To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:20:54 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: 08 3600 Miles, Stall then won't start, running out of ideas. Drain the float bowl. Check the carb vent, gas tank venting and vacuum to the petcock. check the valve clearances. Check the clutch and sidestand interlocks. check for spark after it quits (we assume you have it when it's running). Check the float level, and free movement of the float. Check the taper on the float needle. Check for swarf in the float bowl. Not necessarily in that order, but one at a time (except all the stuff that needs the float bowl off). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]