[dsn_klr650] motorcycle magic act - not good thing

[notanymoore]

You usually see 3 types of riders without helmets - hardcore Harley riders (or wannabe's), crotch rocket kamikazees in shorts and sandals or the mid-life crisis ($30K+) cruisers riding bitch. It's usually the middle of the road riders who wear helmets consistently. I fell off a bicycle onto a cement sidewalk at 20 MPH with no helmet and spent a day and a half in the hospital. Me, I always wear a helmet, even on a bicycle. If I want to feel more "free" on a motorcycle, I wear a half helmet instead of a full helmet. If a half-helmet is to restrictive, you bought it too small. But tail-light or not, most drivers tend to ignore motorcycles, especially in the city. Which is why I rarely venture into the city on mine. I'd like to use one of theose fancy LCD tailights, but they're against the law in my state (Illinois).

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > The fall is the fun part. It's stopping that's the problem > > > I never said I was right, or even smart. I just hate helmets. Especially full face. > I have considered buying an open face helmet and cutting a good size hole by each ear. > With some creative stitching, and rubber trim, it should look pretty good. > Surely a lot better than those half helmets. (which I am also considering). > It sounds like Illinois is considering making wearing a helmet the law > > Rick > A17 > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, LDHunter wrote: > > From: LDHunter > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] helmets > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:41 AM > > > > > > > Rick, > > Did you ever hear the story about the guy that wanted to find out if it > really was dangerous to experience a long fall? > > He jumped out of the top story of the Empire State Building and about half > way down another guy stuck his head out a window and asked him how it was > going. > > The jumper responded... "Just fine... I don't know what the big deal is." > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > If you don't do it for yourself then do it for the people that love and > depend on you... Wear a helmet. > > If that doesn't convince you then ask someone that works in an ER for their > opinion! The horror stories they can tell you might wake you up. > > If all of that fails buy a good life insurance policy and sign a living > will. > > $bob$ > > _____ > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com] On > Behalf Of Rick McCauley > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:25 AM > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] helmets > > Well I will probably hear about this, but I don't wear a helmet, unless it > is very cold. Most of my riding is done on country blacktops, gravel, or > dirt roads. I usually ride somewhere between 30 to 50 mph. Yes I know a head > injury at that pace is deadly. I am not someone who doesn't know the > consequences. I was sideswiped by a car back in 87 on my KZ1000. It was in > town, and I was going 30 mph. My skull was fractured when it hit the > pavement, and I was knocked out cold. I was bleeding out my ear, and I spent > 2 days in the big city hospital. > I simply enjoy the free feeling of riding in the open air with the fresh > smells, and pleasing sounds out in the country. I feel it is worth the small > risk of not wearing a helmet. > For you riders that won't even sit on a bike without a helmet. Good for you. > I totally respect, you reasoning. I would never even try to change your > mind. We should all do what makes our ride the best it can be. > > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, LDHunter > com> wrote: > > From: LDHunter com> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] helmets > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 7:07 AM > > Ron > > No doubt. It seems that it's "not cool" to wear a helmet here in NW Florida > if you also ride a Harley. It's so rare that I see a Harley rider with a > helmet that I usually remember the event as unusual. > > The EMT people call them organ donors. > > Sad but true. > > On the other hand it's been a long time since I've seen a dual sport rider > without a helmet. > > $bob$ > > Saw a Harley chopper guy on Beltline road in Dallas last night. No > helmet .... no tail light ........ no reflective clothes and suicide > shift but he looked cool pony tail and all. Suicide alright .... he > would not survive a car hitting in the rear end like I did in the > early seventies. My helmet worked as did my tail light .... until the > crash. I kept that helmet around for a reminder for years afterward > cracked up and all. Still though, one spring day 5 or so years later, > 6 pack of beer, dressed in nothing but running shoes and shorts, I > thought it would be a good idea to take a spin on my Triumph. Later > as I was sliding down the street on my face and chest with no helmet, > I questioned my intellect. > > If I ski again I might use a helmet. Terrible about the actress. It > don't take much to die. I fell off a ladder a couple of years ago > hitting headfirst on concrete. I was lucky. I may use a helmet on > ladders from now on. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[nakedwaterskier]

(03-19) 21:50 PDT Bethel Island -- A 54-year-old woman riding her motorcycle at high speed and without a helmet died after crashing into a tree on Bethel Island Thursday afternoon. ----------------------- More Bay Area News ----------------------- Mary Williams, a Bethel Island resident, died at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek hours after suffering major head injuries when she rode into a tree off Riverside Drive at about 4:40 p.m., said Tom Maguire, a California Highway Patrol spokesman. Witnesses told the CHP that Williams was driving fast on the off-road motorcycle. Maguire said she was not wearing a helmet, and that alcohol appeared to have been a factor in the accident. Williams was taken to the hospital by helicopter

[greg saunders]

I've noticed three types of motorcycle riders too: the Harley riders who dress in leather from head to toe, drive rather slow and never wear a helmet, they protect their body well, but forget about their head; the Goldwing type group who always wear a helmet and drive cautiously yet might be wearing shorts and flipflops, and the BMW group who always wear a helmet, usually a full-face type and dress in aerostich so they are protected from head to toe, yet drive just a fast as humanly possible. Seems we all have our need to live dangerously. Or enjoy what we really enjoy. Life is a gas, just hope it is going to last. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: RJTaylor@... Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:01:30 +0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: helmets You usually see 3 types of riders without helmets - hardcore Harley riders (or wannabe's), crotch rocket kamikazees in shorts and sandals or the mid-life crisis ($30K+) cruisers riding bitch. It's usually the middle of the road riders who wear helmets consistently. I fell off a bicycle onto a cement sidewalk at 20 MPH with no helmet and spent a day and a half in the hospital. Me, I always wear a helmet, even on a bicycle. If I want to feel more "free" on a motorcycle, I wear a half helmet instead of a full helmet. If a half-helmet is to restrictive, you bought it too small. But tail-light or not, most drivers tend to ignore motorcycles, especially in the city. Which is why I rarely venture into the city on mine. I'd like to use one of theose fancy LCD tailights, but they're against the law in my state (Illinois).

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > The fall is the fun part. It's stopping that's the problem > > > I never said I was right, or even smart. I just hate helmets. Especially full face. > I have considered buying an open face helmet and cutting a good size hole by each ear. > With some creative stitching, and rubber trim, it should look pretty good. > Surely a lot better than those half helmets. (which I am also considering). > It sounds like Illinois is considering making wearing a helmet the law > > Rick > A17 > > > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, LDHunter wrote: > > From: LDHunter > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] helmets > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:41 AM > > > > > > > Rick, > > Did you ever hear the story about the guy that wanted to find out if it > really was dangerous to experience a long fall? > > He jumped out of the top story of the Empire State Building and about half > way down another guy stuck his head out a window and asked him how it was > going. > > The jumper responded... "Just fine... I don't know what the big deal is." > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > > If you don't do it for yourself then do it for the people that love and > depend on you... Wear a helmet. > > If that doesn't convince you then ask someone that works in an ER for their > opinion! The horror stories they can tell you might wake you up. > > If all of that fails buy a good life insurance policy and sign a living > will. > > $bob$ > > _____ > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com] On > Behalf Of Rick McCauley > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:25 AM > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] helmets > > Well I will probably hear about this, but I don't wear a helmet, unless it > is very cold. Most of my riding is done on country blacktops, gravel, or > dirt roads. I usually ride somewhere between 30 to 50 mph. Yes I know a head > injury at that pace is deadly. I am not someone who doesn't know the > consequences. I was sideswiped by a car back in 87 on my KZ1000. It was in > town, and I was going 30 mph. My skull was fractured when it hit the > pavement, and I was knocked out cold. I was bleeding out my ear, and I spent > 2 days in the big city hospital. > I simply enjoy the free feeling of riding in the open air with the fresh > smells, and pleasing sounds out in the country. I feel it is worth the small > risk of not wearing a helmet. > For you riders that won't even sit on a bike without a helmet. Good for you. > I totally respect, you reasoning. I would never even try to change your > mind. We should all do what makes our ride the best it can be. > > > Rick > A17 > > --- On Fri, 3/20/09, LDHunter > com> wrote: > > From: LDHunter com> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] helmets > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 7:07 AM > > Ron > > No doubt. It seems that it's "not cool" to wear a helmet here in NW Florida > if you also ride a Harley. It's so rare that I see a Harley rider with a > helmet that I usually remember the event as unusual. > > The EMT people call them organ donors. > > Sad but true. > > On the other hand it's been a long time since I've seen a dual sport rider > without a helmet. > > $bob$ > > Saw a Harley chopper guy on Beltline road in Dallas last night. No > helmet .... no tail light ........ no reflective clothes and suicide > shift but he looked cool pony tail and all. Suicide alright .... he > would not survive a car hitting in the rear end like I did in the > early seventies. My helmet worked as did my tail light .... until the > crash. I kept that helmet around for a reminder for years afterward > cracked up and all. Still though, one spring day 5 or so years later, > 6 pack of beer, dressed in nothing but running shoes and shorts, I > thought it would be a good idea to take a spin on my Triumph. Later > as I was sliding down the street on my face and chest with no helmet, > I questioned my intellect. > > If I ski again I might use a helmet. Terrible about the actress. It > don't take much to die. I fell off a ladder a couple of years ago > hitting headfirst on concrete. I was lucky. I may use a helmet on > ladders from now on. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail . http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@..." wrote:

> > I have talked to a number of Harley guys over the years on this very > thing. The argument helmets cause broken necks. According to a guy at > a dealership the helmets are cut different at the back that lessen > this ... but I have know 2 people personally that have survived quite > well broken necks. I don't know anyone who has survived severe head > trauma. Another argument when I tell them I have seen racers take > terrible falls (most recently at the wild and wooly Daytona Short > Track races) and get up and walk away after they wake up. They say > "Racers know how to fall." Well maybe a little but bad crashes are > not ever predictable. Remember Scott Parker's crash years ago when he > fell and was trying to get back on the bike and Chris Carr (I think) > clipped him and his bike tossing Parker like a kids doll spinning > through the air? He is alive and well today. "You can't hear with a > helmet." That one I won't even address except to say BS. I have no > bones to pick with Harley's bikes. I do question the companies > seemingly encouragement of bar hopping with a leather doo rag with > their logo printed on it. > > But really, on a bike at speed and hitting any solid object will make > your day a bad one no matter what you are wearing. I witnessed a kid > on a Ninja plow into the side of a Mercury one morning and his Shoie > full face popped off like a cork on impact. He lived just a couple > minutes longer. They estimated he was doing 95 mph on a 45 mph street > in rush hour traffic. >

I have sustained three concussions while wearing a helmet on a motorbike. I have never broken my neck or even had a sore neck after a fall. If I didn't wear a helmet, I might well be drooling into my bib instead of contemplating my 42nd season of riding.

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I agree that a helmet blocks your hearing is BS. You should be using all of your senses when you ride. But I have noticed that as I get older, my hearing is going bad. I have noticed that when I ride my Harley, with somewhat loud pipes (aftermarket Vance & Hines with their baffles kit), that when I ride with a full face helmet, it is much nosier than when I use a half shell helmet. Personally, I am riding more often with ear plugs on. I haven't noticed any loss of ability to know what is happening around me. Jeff A20 In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:19:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, judjonzz@... writes: --- In _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) , "roncriswell@, wrote:

> > I have talked to a number of Harley guys over the years on this very > thing. The argument helmets cause broken necks. According to a guy at > a dealership the helmets are cut different at the back that lessen > this ... but I have know 2 people personally that have survived quite > well broken necks. I don't know anyone who has survived severe head > trauma. Another argument when I tell them I have seen racers take > terrible falls (most recently at the wild and wooly Daytona Short > Track races) and get up and walk away after they wake up. They say > "Racers know how to fall." Well maybe a little but bad crashes are > not ever predictable. Remember Scott Parker's crash years ago when he > fell and was trying to get back on the bike and Chris Carr (I think) > clipped him and his bike tossing Parker like a kids doll spinning > through the air? He is alive and well today. "You can't hear with a > helmet." That one I won't even address except to say BS. I have no > bones to pick with Harley's bikes. I do question the companies > seemingly encouragement of bar hopping with a leather doo rag with > their logo printed on it. > > But really, on a bike at speed and hitting any solid object will make > your day a bad one no matter what you are wearing. I witnessed a kid > on a Ninja plow into the side of a Mercury one morning and his Shoie > full face popped off like a cork on impact. He lived just a couple > minutes longer. They estimated he was doing 95 mph on a 45 mph street > in rush hour traffic. >

I have sustained three concussions while wearing a helmet on a motorbike. I have never broken my neck or even had a sore neck after a fall. If I didn't wear a helmet, I might well be drooling into my bib instead of contemplating my 42nd season of riding. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219619459x1201345309/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Lee Dodge]

Harley riders and helmets . . Darwin was right. Lee

--- On Fri, 3/20/09, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] helmets To: "LDHunter" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 6:56 AM I have talked to a number of Harley guys over the years on this very thing. The argument helmets cause broken necks. According to a guy at a dealership the helmets are cut different at the back that lessen this ... but I have know 2 people personally that have survived quite well broken necks. I don't know anyone who has survived severe head trauma. Another argument when I tell them I have seen racers take terrible falls (most recently at the wild and wooly Daytona Short Track races) and get up and walk away after they wake up. They say "Racers know how to fall." Well maybe a little but bad crashes are not ever predictable. Remember Scott Parker's crash years ago when he fell and was trying to get back on the bike and Chris Carr (I think) clipped him and his bike tossing Parker like a kids doll spinning through the air? He is alive and well today. "You can't hear with a helmet." That one I won't even address except to say BS. I have no bones to pick with Harley's bikes. I do question the companies seemingly encouragement of bar hopping with a leather doo rag with their logo printed on it. But really, on a bike at speed and hitting any solid object will make your day a bad one no matter what you are wearing. I witnessed a kid on a Ninja plow into the side of a Mercury one morning and his Shoie full face popped off like a cork on impact. He lived just a couple minutes longer. They estimated he was doing 95 mph on a 45 mph street in rush hour traffic. Criswell On Mar 20, 2009, at 7:07 AM, LDHunter wrote: > Ron > > No doubt. It seems that it's "not cool" to wear a helmet here in NW > Florida > if you also ride a Harley. It's so rare that I see a Harley rider > with a > helmet that I usually remember the event as unusual. > > The EMT people call them organ donors. > > Sad but true. > > On the other hand it's been a long time since I've seen a dual > sport rider > without a helmet. > > $bob$ > > Saw a Harley chopper guy on Beltline road in Dallas last night. No > helmet .... no tail light ........ no reflective clothes and suicide > shift but he looked cool pony tail and all. Suicide alright .... he > would not survive a car hitting in the rear end like I did in the > early seventies. My helmet worked as did my tail light .... until the > crash. I kept that helmet around for a reminder for years afterward > cracked up and all. Still though, one spring day 5 or so years later, > 6 pack of beer, dressed in nothing but running shoes and shorts, I > thought it would be a good idea to take a spin on my Triumph. Later > as I was sliding down the street on my face and chest with no helmet, > I questioned my intellect. > > If I ski again I might use a helmet. Terrible about the actress. It > don't take much to die. I fell off a ladder a couple of years ago > hitting headfirst on concrete. I was lucky. I may use a helmet on > ladders from now on. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[LDHunter]

Ron, We DO have deer in Florida and they aren't afraid of motorcycles. I live in the middle of a 550,000 acre national forest (near Tallahassee) and they are my biggest fear when on my motorcycles. For some reason deer that flee in terror at the mere sight of a car or pickup seem to want to stand in the road and stare in amazement at a motorcycle. Gives me the willies.... Sometimes they seem to want to race with you and then will cut across the road in front of you. My bikes all have stock mufflers and I don't know if loud mufflers would make any difference. I had my doo done by a friend that owns Kawasaki of Dothan Alabama recently and he put a high intensity bulb in my headlight that is blazingly white at night and that's slightly increased my comfort factor at night, but deer still give me the willies on my bikes. Now I can see them very clearly in living color as I slam into them... $bob$ who is often lost somewhere in the Piney Woods of NW Florida I just try and not ride at night after being hit by a drunk once ...........and because of deer .......and unable to see as well at night. I was in Florida recently for Bikeweek staying with my brotherinlaw in Jacksonville some of the time. I asked him if there were any deer around there? He said he see's them on the 2 lane roads but never on the Interstate. I counted 5 on the way back from the short track races wiggling their stupid ears on the edge of the road. I lost count of how many I saw leaving at 5 AM on Interstate 10 going back home. I rode behind a big truck for protection some of the time. Who knows how many drunks were around me? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

Helmets don't block your hearing, but they do restrict it. If you are trying to tell me that you can hear just as good with a helmet on as you can without. That is real BS. That is like saying you can hear people talking just as good if your in the other room with the door shut.I absolutely know that I can not hear as good with a helmet on. On cold morning rides with a helmet, My friend and I have to almost yell to hear each other. Once the helmets are off when it warms up, it is much easier to talk. Rick A17

--- On Fri, 3/20/09, jokerloco9@... wrote: From: jokerloco9@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: helmets To: judjonzz@..., DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 9:30 PM I agree that a helmet blocks your hearing is BS. You should be using all of your senses when you ride. But I have noticed that as I get older, my hearing is going bad. I have noticed that when I ride my Harley, with somewhat loud pipes (aftermarket Vance & Hines with their baffles kit), that when I ride with a full face helmet, it is much nosier than when I use a half shell helmet. Personally, I am riding more often with ear plugs on. I haven't noticed any loss of ability to know what is happening around me. Jeff A20 In a message dated 3/20/2009 7:19:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, judjonzz@msn. com writes: --- In _DSN_KLR650@ yahoogroDSN_ KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com) , "roncriswell@ , wrote: > > I have talked to a number of Harley guys over the years on this very > thing. The argument helmets cause broken necks. According to a guy at > a dealership the helmets are cut different at the back that lessen > this ... but I have know 2 people personally that have survived quite > well broken necks. I don't know anyone who has survived severe head > trauma. Another argument when I tell them I have seen racers take > terrible falls (most recently at the wild and wooly Daytona Short > Track races) and get up and walk away after they wake up. They say > "Racers know how to fall." Well maybe a little but bad crashes are > not ever predictable. Remember Scott Parker's crash years ago when he > fell and was trying to get back on the bike and Chris Carr (I think) > clipped him and his bike tossing Parker like a kids doll spinning > through the air? He is alive and well today. "You can't hear with a > helmet." That one I won't even address except to say BS. I have no > bones to pick with Harley's bikes. I do question the companies > seemingly encouragement of bar hopping with a leather doo rag with > their logo printed on it. > > But really, on a bike at speed and hitting any solid object will make > your day a bad one no matter what you are wearing. I witnessed a kid > on a Ninja plow into the side of a Mercury one morning and his Shoie > full face popped off like a cork on impact. He lived just a couple > minutes longer. They estimated he was doing 95 mph on a 45 mph street > in rush hour traffic. > I have sustained three concussions while wearing a helmet on a motorbike. I have never broken my neck or even had a sore neck after a fall. If I didn't wear a helmet, I might well be drooling into my bib instead of contemplating my 42nd season of riding. ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola com/promoclk/ 100126575x121961 9459x1201345309/ aol?redir= http:%2F% 2Fwww.freecredit report.com% 2Fpm%2Fdefault. aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072% 26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd% 3DMarchfooterNO6 2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote:

> > Helmets don't block your hearing, but they do restrict it. If you are trying to tell me that you can hear just as good with a helmet on as you can without. That is real BS. That is like saying you can hear people talking just as good if your in the other room with the door shut.I absolutely know that I can not hear as good with a helmet on. On cold morning rides with a helmet, My friend and I have to almost yell to hear each other. Once the helmets are off when it warms up, it is much easier to talk. >

It won't be once your hearing goes. I can hear everything I need to with a helmet and earplugs. Let's balance it out: Talk to my buddy? <> Closed head trauma? Talk to my buddy? <> Closed head trauma? Yeah, it's a tough choice.