please forgive me! oily mess -nklrish

[dooden]

I used to use a small oiler can and gear oil on my chain, if I was basically going to be on pavement only, otherwise I like the WD-40 bath method, messy but also use some of the overspray to wipe off the rim and swingarm. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote: > > I think the comment about not using 90w gear oil is not that the chain > doesn't need some kind of oil. It is that 90w gear oil is sticky and attracts > dirt like glue. read "lapping compound". I really don't think the "amazingly > high forces of power" the KLR generates warrants the required use of gear oil > on the chain. The chain forces are nowhere near the forces in the average > car differential, necessitating the extreme pressure design of gear oil. > > Jeff > > > In a message dated 1/18/2009 9:56:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > bon2jr2@... writes: > > > > > --- In _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) , > "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > --- In _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) , > GMAIL wrote: > > > > > > The reason they make specific chain oil spray is that it is > formulated > > > not only to lubricate, but to stick to the chain links as well > > > Standard strsight oil/trans oil may be a great lubricant, but it > all > > > flys off really fast > > > A good chain lube barely lasts a tank full > > > Iube every tank full with any chain oil formula > > > Squeeking means you need more lube for sure > > > > > > > This is probably as good a place as any to point out that for a > bike that sees a significant > > amount of off-pavement use, and that does not use a continuous-feed > chain oiler, there is > > no chain treatment regimen that has been shown to give longer chain > life than simply > > cleaning with WD40. > > > > Although gear oil is a terrific lubricant, bitter experience has > taught me that there may be no > > quicker way to destroy a chain and set of sprockets than to lube an > off-road bike with 90wt. > > >>I never use chain lube on my A20. I do however use cheep 90 wt gear > oil on my chain to avoid sprocket wear. I concur with the WD40 crowd. > The drive chains of this modern era don't need lubing as they once > did. The built in self lubing seems to work wonderfully. > > Where can you buy self lubing sprockets? Even a wd40 cleaned chain > is still a couple of pounds of steel flying around a toothed metal > disc. I use a generous amount of heavy oil every 150-300 miles as a > prophylactic treatment for sprocket wear and always have. I would be > willing to match sprockets with anyone who also has over 32,000 > smiles on stock sprockets. I don't remember ever flipping the rear > sprocket, but the teeth still look like new, so it would be hard to > tell. I cant recall how many times I have explained the messyness of > my wet chain as "No the countershaft/my wet chain as "No the co > that". Folks these days dont understand or tolerate the gressey look. > > I do intend to keep an open mind and try the wd40 only experiment > when I replace my stock chain and sprockets.Ive learned to learn from > those in the majority that have much experience, and there seem to be > so many. > > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Bogdan Swider]

> > > No one has ever shown that spray-on chain "lubes" do anything to extend chain > life, that > they give longer chain life than WD40, or that they are anything but snake > oil.. > > >

How true....but people like to believe in a can. I used gear oil on my first chain; got 20k+ miles. Been using the WD-40 bath method since, with about the same result. Clean/lube at the end of the day when on the road; comes to 500 miles or so. More if I do lots of off-pavement. Bogdan, who believes using chain wax is especially bad. World s finite supply of wax should be reserved for bikini waxing. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ron and Brenda Moorhouse]

I too say wd40 is the way to go for dirt. Have used it for many years on all my dirt bikes and now klr for 2 1/2 years, with nothing but good results. Ron Moorhouse ________________________________ From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:05:58 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, GMAI wrote: > > The reason they make specific chain oil spray is that it is formulated > not only to lubricate, but to stick to the chain links as well > Standard strsight oil/trans oil may be a great lubricant, but it all > flys off really fast > A good chain lube barely lasts a tank full > Iube every tank full with any chain oil formula > Squeeking means you need more lube for sure > This is probably as good a place as any to point out that for a bike that sees a significant amount of off-pavement use, and that does not use a continuous-feed chain oiler, there is no chain treatment regimen that has been shown to give longer chain life than simply cleaning with WD40. Although gear oil is a terrific lubricant, bitter experience has taught me that there may be no quicker way to destroy a chain and set of sprockets than to lube an off-road bike with 90wt. i TOO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

-----Original Message----- From: trailsunltd@... To: judjonzz@... Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question jud,i thought this was a discussion forum,i thought i was providing some input from my experiences so others w/ limited knowledge on the subject might learn,instead you choose to attack my post as worthless, ,so why don't give us all a seminar on proper chain maintenance? as you seem to have all the answers that nobody else possibly can.go ahead teach us oh wise one -----Original Message----- From: Jud Jones To: trailsunltd@... Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 7:28 am Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question What do you consider a quality chain lube? What kind of conditions do you ride in, and haw long do your chains typically last with your product of choice? Without this information, any comment about a chain "lube" is worthless. On 1/19/09 12:06 AM, "trailsunltd@..." wrote:

> modern (o-ring type chains)are lubricated at manufactring,the o rings > hold the lube (grease) in and dirt water out,when you lube a chain

you

> are really only lubing the sprocket to link contact ,not the pins/ > bushings. only use quality chain lube and never chain(wax),try and

lube

> the chain after riding wh

ile it is still warm.it penetrates

> better.aersol cans use a propellant (usually a solvent) which bring

the

> grease out of the can,this solvent must evaporate and leave only the > grease,this requiers letting the lubed chain sit for an hour or > more,otherwise it just flings off,never lube it just before > riding,you're waistng lube,getting it all over the bike,and doing > hardly anything for the chain and sprockets lastly point the stray on > the inside run of the chain ,not outside > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Jones > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:54 pm > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddiebmauri" > wrote: >> >> Friends, please bear with me, I am no mechanic and I am still >> learning about my KLR's in's-and-out's; here is my question. >> Yesterday, I went on an 8 hr. ride, and put some 400 miles on my >> bike. Prior to leaving I put some lube on my chain. I used a >> liberal amount of Castrol Hypoy-C Gear Oil - SAE 80W-90. I use that >> oil prior to most rides, and at every refueling. Except for >> yesterday that is. Yesterday, I filled up twice. When I got on my >> bike today, I heard a squeak. Sort of like the20squeak that a tank's >> tracks make, or like the brake pads were worn. Yesterday, I did not >> ride in any rain or water, no sand, mud, etc. All tarmac on >> yesterday's ride, highway speeds. >> >> So my questions is, is that squeak about normal? Am I going to have >> to carry some lube with me on long trips and lube the chain every >> fill-up. >> >> I have had my KLR for 3 years and have never had that (chain squeak) >> happen? Also, I am a student of the "clean the chain with WD-40, >> wipe clean, and use SAE 80W-90 to lube - school of thought" when it >> comes to chain maintenance. >> >> I guess that I am confused as to why all of a sudden I got a squeak. >> >> Eddie (03' KLR650 - "la poderosa") >> > > Can't help you on the squeak, but I have two questions: How much do

you

> ride on > unpaved surfaces, and how many miles do you get out of a chain and a > set of sprockets? > > > > >

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

wd40 consists i believe of penetrating oil,kerosene and fragrance,fine for cleaning as the kero acts as a solvent and a poor lube at best,as an avid off roader,anytime the rollers and sprockets look clean and shiny, there is no lube to prevent metal to metal,chain rollers and sprockets should always have a "grey" look to them and only grease can do that for any amount of time,'quality' cans of spray chain lube all contain grease,the problem most people have is applying it wrong,just prior to riding,not letting the propellant solvent evaporate and leave the grease,then it just flings off and does very little, or not spaying the inside run,hell w/ the high quality of chains these days,they'd last quite awhile w / no lube,my chains last at least 3 years of off roading,replacing countershaft sprocket once when it hooks,so 2 counters,1 rear sprocket and a regina chain under harsh conditions,mud,water etc. let the wd40 wars begin-----Original Message----- From: Jud Jones To: trailsunltd@... Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question Sorry if it felt like an attack. Every time this subject comes up, we get a parade of testimonials about various products, and no information on how well they work. My "worthless" comment was really better directed to those testimonials, not to your general comments. That said, I happen not to think chain "lubes" do anything. I would be glad to be informed otherwise. But nobody seems to be able to come up with hard info.

On 1/19/09 4:48 PM, "trailsunltd@..." wrote: > jud,i thought this was a discussion forum,i thought i was providing > some input from my experiences so others w/ limited knowledge on the > subject might learn,instead you choose to attack my post as worthless, > ,so why don't give us all a seminar on proper chain maintenance? as you > seem to have all the answers that nobody else possibly can.go ahead > teach us oh wise one > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Jones > To: trailsunltd@... > Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 7:28 am > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question > > > > What do you consider a quality chain lube? What kind of conditions do > you > ride in, and haw long do your chains typically last with your product of > choice? Without this information, any comment about a chain "lube" is > worthless. > > > On 1/19/09 12:06 AM, "trailsunltd@..." wrote: > >> modern (o-ring type chains)are lubricated at manufactring,the o rings >> hold the lube (grease) in and dirt water out,when you lube a chain you >> are really only lubing the sprocket to link contact ,not the pins/ >> bushings. only use quality chain lube and never chain(wax),try and > lube >> the chain after riding while it is still warm.it penetrates >> better.aersol cans use a propellant (usually a solvent) which bring > the >> grease out of the can,this solvent must evaporate and leave only the >> grease,this requiers letting the lubed chain sit for an hour or >> more,otherwise it just flings off,never lube it just before >> riding,you're waistng lube,getting it all over the bike,and doing >> hardly anything for the chain and sprockets lastly point the stray on >> the inside run of the chain ,not outside >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jud Jones >> To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:54 pm >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddiebmauri" >> wrote: >>> >>> Friends, please bear with me, I am no mechanic and I am still >>> learning about my KLR's in's-and-out's; here is my question. >>> Yesterday, I went on an 8 hr. ride, and put some 400 miles on my >>> bike. Prior to leaving I put some lube on my chain. I used a >>> liberal amount of Castrol Hypoy-C Gear Oil - SAE 80W-90. I use that >>> oil prior to most rides, and at every refueling. Except for >>> yesterday that is. Yesterday, I filled up twice. When I got on my >>> bike today, I heard a squeak. Sort of like the squeak that a tank's >>> tracks make, or like the brake pads were worn. Yesterday, I did not >>> ride in any rain or water, no sand, mud, etc. All tarmac on >>> yesterday's ride, highway speeds. >>> >>> So my questions is, is that squeak about normal? Am I going to have >>> to carry some lube with me on long trips and lube the chain every >>> fill-up. >>> >>> I have had my KLR for 3 years and have never had that (chain squeak) >>> happen? Also, I am a student of the "clean the chain with WD-40, >>> wipe clean, and use SAE 80W-90 to lube - school of thought" when it >>> comes to chain maintenance. >>> >>> I guess that I am confused as to why all of a sudden I got a squeak. >>> >>> Eddie (03' KLR650 - "la poderosa") >>> >> >> Can't help you on the squeak, but I have two questions: How much do > you >> ride on >> unpaved surfaces, and how many miles do you get out of a chain and a >> set of sprockets? >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I guess I don't know why it is important that there is lube between the rollers and the sprockets? Aren't they stationary with respect to one another as the chain goes over the sprockets?. I thought we lubed to protect the pins and the side plates? Isn't that why the o-rings are in place, to keep the factory grease inside? I thought the sprockets were trashed by the dirt stuck between the chain rollers and sprocket, held in place by too much grease? (or sticky 90w gear oil, IMHO). I think that is why some people like WD-40 to flush the crap off the chain. I had a 1984 Honda VF1000 Interceptor that I put over 22k miles on one o-ring chain, and it was never lubed EVER. Just cleaned about 1-2 times a year when I washed the bike. Jeff A20 In a message dated 1/19/2009 4:25:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, trailsunltd@... writes: wd40 consists i believe of penetrating oil,kerosene and fragrance,fine for cleaning as the kero acts as a solvent and a poor lube at best,as an avid off roader,anytime the rollers and sprockets look clean and shiny, there is no lube to prevent metal to metal,chain rollers and sprockets should always have a "grey" look to them and only grease can do that for any amount of time,'quality' cans of spray chain lube all contain grease,the problem most people have is applying it wrong,just prior to riding,not letting the propellant solvent evaporate and leave the grease,then it just flings off and does very little, or not spaying the inside run,hell w/ the high quality of chains these days,they'd last quite awhile w / no lube,my chains last at least 3 years of off roading,replacing countershaft sprocket once when it hooks,so 2 counters,1 rear sprocket and a regina chain under harsh conditions,mud,conditions,mud,water etc. let the wd40 wars Message----- From: Jud Jones To: _trailsunltd@trailsu_ (mailto:trailsunltd@...) Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question Sorry if it felt like an attack. Every time this subject comes up, we get a parade of testimonials about various products, and no information on how well they work. My "worthless" comment was really better directed to those testimonials, not to your general comments. That said, I happen not to think chain "lubes" do anything. I would be glad to be informed otherwise. But nobody seems to be able to come up with hard info. On 1/19/09 4:48 PM, "_trailsunltd@trailsu_ (mailto:trailsunltd@...) " wrote:

> jud,i thought this was a discussion forum,i thought i was providing > some input from my experiences so others w/ limited knowledge on the > subject might learn,instead you choose to attack my post as worthless, > ,so why don't give us all a seminar on proper chain maintenance? as

you

> seem to have all the answers that nobody else possibly can.go ahead > teach us oh wise one > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Jones > To: _trailsunltd@trailsu_ (mailto:trailsunltd@...) > Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 7:28 am > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question > > > > What do you consider a quality chain lube? What kind of conditions do > you > ride in, and haw long do your chains typically last with your product

of

> choice? Without this information, any comment about a chain "lube" is > worthless. > > > On 1/19/09 12:06 AM, "_trailsunltd@trailsu_ (mailto:trailsunltd@...) "

wrote:

> >> modern (o-ring type chains)are lubricated at manufactring, modern (o- >> hold the lube (grease) in and dirt water out,when you lube a chain

you

>> are really only lubing the sprocket to link contact ,not the pins/ >> bushings. only use quality chain lube and never chain(wax),try and > lube >> the chain after riding while it is still warm.it penetrates >> better.aersol cans use a propellant (usually a solvent) which bring > the >> grease out of the can,this solvent must evaporate and leave only the >> grease,this requiers letting the lubed chain sit for an hour or >> more,otherwise it just flings off,never lube it just before >> riding,you're waistng lube,getting it all over the bike,and doing >> hardly anything for the chain and sprockets lastly point the stray on >> the inside run of the chain ,not outside >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jud Jones >> To: _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) >> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:54 pm >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) ,

"eddiebmauri"

>> wrote: >>> >>> Friends, please bear with me, I am no mechanic and I am still >>> learning about my KLR's in's-and-out' learning about my KLR' >>> Yesterday, I went on an 8 hr. ride, and put some 400 miles on my >>> bike. Prior to leaving I put some lube on my chain. I used a >>> liberal amount of Castrol Hypoy-C Gear Oil - SAE 80W-90. I use that >>> oil prior to most rides, and at every refueling. Except for >>> yesterday that is. Yesterday, I filled up twice. When I got on my >>> bike today, I heard a squeak. Sort of like the squeak that a tank's >>> tracks make, or like the brake pads were worn. Yesterday, I did not >>> ride in any rain or water, no sand, mud, etc. All tarmac on >>> yesterday's ride, highway speeds. >>> >>> So my questions is, is that squeak about normal? Am I going to have >>> to carry some lube with me on long trips and lube the chain every >>> fill-up. >>> >>> I have had my KLR for 3 years and have never had that (chain squeak) >>> happen? Also, I am a student of the "clean the chain with WD-40, >>> wipe clean, and use SAE 80W-90 to lube - school of thought" when it >>> comes to chain maintenance. >>> >>> I guess that I am confused as to why all of a sudden I got a squeak. >>> >>> Eddie (03' KLR650 - "la poderosa") >>> >> >> Can't help you on the squeak, but I have two questions: How much do > you >> ride on >> unpaved surfaces, and how many miles do you get out of a chain and a >> set of sprockets? >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

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[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:35:37 EST jokerloco9@... writes:

> I guess I don't know why it is important that there is lube between > the > rollers and the sprockets? Aren't they stationary with respect to > one another as > the chain goes over the sprockets?. I thought we lubed to protect > the pins > and the side plates? Isn't that why the o-rings are in place, to > keep the > factory grease inside? I thought the sprockets were trashed by the > dirt stuck > between the chain rollers and sprocket, held in place by too much > grease? > (or sticky 90w gear oil, IMHO). I think that is why some people > like WD-40 to > flush the crap off the chain. I had a 1984 Honda VF1000 > Interceptor that I > put over 22k miles on one o-ring chain, and it was never lubed > EVER. Just > cleaned about 1-2 times a year when I washed the bike. > > Jeff A20

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Jeff, Your explanation is how I understand chains and sprockets to work together too. But I think the real worth of the lube is keeping the o-rings in good condition. I trashed a chain last year after getting stuck in some pretty nasty mud that had the consistency of concrete. Within 500 smiles after that my chain was toast. It did have about 12,000 smiles on it already so was closer to the end of it's life than the beginning but it was gone very quickly. For what it's worth... I'm a WD-40 when I remember kind of chain lube guy. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . ____________________________________________________________ Click for discounted saunas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2vSTv4JcoH5bz2DrUldQS7SFZDkusrvhSYDQxxmpBzPeQGQ/

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

-----Original Message----- From: trailsunltd@... To: DSN_650KLRyahoogroups@... Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question jeff,your right in theory that the roller should spin as the sprocket spins,but the sprocket teeth elongnate,combined w/ skidding of a tight roller and the movement created should be lubed,as an off roader 90% of the time,i spend probably too much time on the chain/sprockets.they're just that good now,street bikes are another matter and i only lube them after a rain ride,how did the countershaft sprocket on your VF hold up? did it last as long as the chain? a common misconception of chains wearing out is they don,t break anymore,they stretch unevenly,and while adjusting tension, 3 runs should be ck'd and adjusted at the tightest one,if you adjust at the loose run,it'll be way too tight at the tightest run,when there is huge diff between loose and tight runs that's when it's worn out.i myself got 12,000 out a street o ring,of course it depends also on clutch/throttle use /wheelies etc. -----Original Message----- From: Jokerloco9@... To: TrailsUnltd@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 7:35 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question I guess I don't know why it is important that there is lube between the rollers and the sprockets? Aren't th ey stationary with respect to one another as the chain goes over the sprockets?. I thought we lubed to protect the pins and the side plates? Isn't that why the o-rings are in place, to keep the factor y grease inside? I thought the sprockets were trashed by the dirt stuck between the chain rollers and sprocket, held in place by too much grease? (or sticky 90w gear oil, IMHO). I think that is why some people like WD-40 to flush the crap off the chain. I had a 1984 Honda VF1000 Interceptor that I put over 22k miles on one o-ring chain, and it was never lubed EVER. Just cleaned about 1-2 times a year when I washed the bike. Jeff A20 In a message dated 1/19/2009 4:25:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, trailsunltd@... writes: wd40 consists i believe of penetrating oil,kerosene and fragrance,fine for cleaning as the kero acts as a solvent and a poor lube at best,as an avid off roader,anytime the rollers and sprockets look clean and shiny, there is no lube to prevent metal to metal,chain rollers and sprockets should always have a "grey" look to them and only grease can do that for any amount of time,'quality' cans of spray chain lube all contain grease,the problem most people have is applying it wrong,just prior to riding,not letting the propellant solvent evaporate and leave the grease,then it just flings off and does very little, or not spaying the inside run,hell w/ the high quality of chains these days,they'd last quite awhile w / no lube,my chains last at least 3 years of off roading,replacing countershaft sprocket once when it hooks,so 2 counters,1 rea r sprocket and a regina chain under harsh conditions,mud,water etc. let the wd40 wars begin-----Original Message----- From: Jud Jones To: trailsunltd@... Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question Sorry if it felt like an attack. Every time this subject comes up, we get a parade of testimonials about various products, and no information on how well they work. My "worthless" comment was really better directed to those testimonials, not to your general comments. That said, I happen not to think chain "lubes" do anything. I would be glad to be informed otherwise. But nobody seems to be able to come up with hard info. On 1/19/09 4:48 PM, "trailsunltd@..." wrote:

> jud,i thought this was a discussion forum,i thought i was providing > some input from my experiences so others w/ limited knowledge on the > subject might learn,instead you choose to attack my post as

worthless,

> ,so why don't give us all a seminar on pr

oper chain maintenance? as you

> seem to have all the answers that nobody else possibly can.go ahead > teach us oh wise one > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jud Jones > To: trailsunltd@... > Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 7:28 am > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question > > > > What do you consider a quality chain lube? What kind of conditions do > you > ride in, and haw

long do your chains typically last with your product of

> choice? Without this information, any comment about a chain "lube" is > worthless. > > > On 1/19/09 12:06 AM, "trailsunltd@..."

wrote:

> >> modern (o-ring type chains)are lubricated at manufactring,the o

rings

>> hold the lube (grease) in and dirt water out,when you lube a chain

you

>> are really only lubing the sprocket to link contact ,not the pins/ >> bushings. only use quality chain lube and never chain(wax),try and > lube >> the chain after riding while it is still warm.it penetrates >> better.aersol cans use a propellant (usually a solvent) which bring > the >> grease out of the can,this solvent must evaporate and leave only the >> grease,this requiers letting the lubed chain sit for an hour or >> more,otherwise it just flings off,never lube it just before=C

2

>> riding,you're waistng lube,getting it all over the bike,and doing >> hardly anything for the chain and sprockets lastly point the stray

on

>> the inside run of the chain ,not outside >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jud Jones >> To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:54 pm >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddiebmauri" >> wrote: >>> >>> Friends, please bear with me, I am no mechanic and I am still >>> learning about my KLR's=2

0in's-and-out's; here is my question.

>>> Yesterday, I went on an 8 hr. ride, and put some 400 miles on my >>> bike. Prior to leaving I put some lube on my chain. I used a >>> liberal amount of Castrol Hypoy-C Gear Oil - SAE 80W-90. I use that >>> oil prior to most rides, and at every refueling. Except for >>> yesterday that is. Yesterday, I filled up twice. When I got on my >>> bike today, I heard a squeak. Sort of like the squeak that a tank's >>> tracks make, or like the brake pads were worn. Yesterday, I did not >>> ride in any rain or water, no sand, mud, etc. All tarmac on >>> yesterday's ride, highway speeds. >>> >>> So my questions is, is that squeak about normal? Am I goin

g to have

>>> to carry some lube with me on long trips and lube the chain every >>> fill-up. >>> >>> I have had my KLR for 3 years and have never had that (chain

squeak)

>>> happen? Also, I am a student of the "clean the chain with WD-40, >>> wipe clean, and use SAE 80W-90 to lube - school of thought" when it >>> comes to chain maintenance. >>> >>> I guess that I am confused as to why all of a sudden I got a

squeak.

>>> >>> Eddie (03' KLR650 - "la poderosa") >>> >> >> Can't help you on the squeak, but I have two questions: How much do > you >> ride on >> unpaved surfaces, and how many miles do you get out of a chain and a >> set of sprockets? >> >> >> >> >> > > > >

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[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote:

> > wd40 consists i believe of penetrating oil,kerosene and > fragrance,fine for cleaning as the kero acts as a solvent and a poor > lube at best,as an avid off roader,anytime the rollers and sprockets > look clean and shiny, there is no lube to prevent metal to metal,chain > rollers and sprockets should always have a "grey" look to them and only > grease can do that for any amount of time,'quality' cans of spray chain > lube all contain grease,the problem most people have is applying it > wrong,just prior to riding,not letting the propellant solvent evaporate > and leave the grease,then it just flings off and does very little, or > not spaying the inside run,hell w/ the high quality of chains these > days,they'd last quite awhile w / no lube,my chains last at least 3 > years of off roading,replacing countershaft sprocket once when it > hooks,so 2 counters,1 rear sprocket and a regina chain under harsh > conditions,mud,water etc. let the wd40 wars begin----

No reason for a war. My most recebt dirt bike chain is entering its fifth season, on nothing but WD40. However, I really don't consider this useful information, as I have no idea how many miles I have ridden. I can only say, it was almost entirely in gritty conditions. You present no information to suggest that your choice of "lube", whatever it is, performs any better.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote:

> > wd40 consists i believe of penetrating oil,kerosene and > fragrance,fine for cleaning as the kero acts as a solvent and a poor > lube at best,as an avid off roader,anytime the rollers and sprockets > look clean and shiny, there is no lube to prevent metal to metal,chain > rollers and sprockets should always have a "grey" look to them and only > grease can do that for any amount of time,'quality' cans of spray chain > lube all contain grease,the problem most people have is applying it > wrong,just prior to riding,not letting the propellant solvent evaporate > and leave the grease,then it just flings off and does very little, or > not spaying the inside run,hell w/ the high quality of chains these > days,they'd last quite awhile w / no lube,my chains last at least 3 > years of off roading,replacing countershaft sprocket once when it > hooks,so 2 counters,1 rear sprocket and a regina chain under harsh > conditions,mud,water etc. let the wd40 wars begin----

No reason for a war. My most recebt dirt bike chain is entering its fifth season, on nothing but WD40. However, I really don't consider this useful information, as I have no idea how many miles I have ridden. I can only say, it was almost entirely in gritty conditions. You present no information to suggest that your choice of "lube", whatever it is, performs any better.