please forgive me! oily mess -nklrish

[Mike Frey]

I heard from a reliable source that the roller chain driven conveyors in the WD-40 packaging plant are the originals that were installed back in 1953, when WD-40 was first made. Never replaced since, the chain has been kept clean and wear free from the small amounts of WD-40 that drip onto the conveyor. I also wish the date was April 1 so I did not have to write the above sentence. Back to serious mode: RK Chain actually mentions using WD-40 on its O-Ring chain to clean it, although they do not tell you it's OK to use only the WD-40 as a lube. In all likelihood, the reason that people who use WD-40 exclusively and experience a long chain life is that the WD-40 keeps the chain cleaner than if they used chain lube or other oils. Last and not least, I believe those of you who tell us that WD-40 is all that you use, and your chain lasts a long time. I use it, too. (I also use "real" chain lube) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

You talking the where the trailer pin connects to the tractor ? That would require Grease since its 2 metal surfaces under heavy pressure and pivoting. RV owner can get by with a small plastic(?) ring that can snap onto the Trailer 5th wheel pin and acts as a wear plate. Honestly folks this whole chain lube thread is getting kinda old. Urinate on your chain if you want to, makes me no difference, I have used chain lube, gear oil, WD-40 depending on how and WHERE I am riding which can change alot since its a KLR. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: > > so sprockets need no lubrication? say an 18 wheeler tractor driver > sprays? WD40 on his 5th wheel instead of his grease,there would be no > difference > > > -----Original Message----- > From: E.L. Green > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 7:09 pm > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "aphampton628" > wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > > WD-40 is Stoddard solvent and light machine oil with a bit of > perfume > > > added to make it smell like, well, WD-40. Nothing particularly > > > special, magic, or snake-oilish about it. > > > > WD-40 Aerosol > > > > http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf > > > > > > WD-40 Bulk Liquid > > > > http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd482671453.pdf > > Yes, the Feds now require them to break down "Stoddard solvent" into > "Aliphatic" and "LVP Aliphatic" Hydrocarbon rather than saying > "Stoddard solvent" as they'd been saying on their MDS until a couple > of years ago. But it's still Stoddard solvent, like it's been for the > last 50 years. > > Looks like I was off on the percentages slightly, the jugs are 65% and > the cans are 75% Stoddard solvent with the rest mostly being light > machine oil. Oh well. > > Still nothing magical about WD-40 pro or con. Since it's largely a > solvent it's good for cleaning chains, while the light machine oil > will keep the chain from rusting until you put something heavier on > the chain. As I stated earlier my only beef with WD-40 is that it > washes off too easily in the rain, resulting in a rusty chain if you > ride in the rain. > > As far as lubrication goes, nothing you apply to the outside of a > chain is worth a bucket of warm spit as a lubricant since anything you > apply to the outside of the chain would just get squeezed out of the > loaded surfaces (there is no -- zero -- lubricant which does *not* get > squeezed out of loading surfaces, otherwise we wouldn't need an oil > pumping system in our KLR's and we wouldn't need o-rings to hold the > lube inside the chain, we'd just coat all the surfaces with this magic > lube!), so there's no lubrication difference between WD-40 and any > other "chain lube" you apply to the outside of your motorcycle's > chain. Whatever you're spraying on your chain is being sprayed there > for two reasons -- rust-proofing, and to keep the o-rings conditioned. > That's it. >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote:

> > I think he really wants to know how to tell when a chain > and sprockets are worn to the point that they need to be > replaced. I started to write something but it was turning > into more of a novel. > > I even tried to find pictures of a worn sprocket, but struck > out (and I consider myself pretty good at finding stuff online). > > The best way is to have someone in the know show you - it > is easy to see when you know what you are looking for. > > A picture is worth 1000 words. > > A real life view is worth more. >

When is a chain worn out? Now, this is not SCIENCE or even engineering or theology-- but why should that keep one from genuflecting? All this [below] retained from the MX days of the 60's--without LDS or LSD. and it still holds valid for me. Alologies to Jeff Foxxworthy, You Might Be A Worn Out Spocket If- by revmaaatin Two ways come to mind- 1) grasp the chain at the aft portin of the rear sprocket and pull outward with two fingers-- when you can pull the chain, 1/2 the length of the link off the sprocket, it is worn out 2) You can place a #2 Phillips between the the rear-sprocket and the chain (= 1/2 the length of a link), it is nearly/close to/ worn out One additional visual inspection you might see earlier than, pulling the chain away from the sprocket; first get the back wheel off the ground and: 3) You roll the chain around the sprockets very slowly and you see one link (or more) does not 'rebound' into a straight line aka a tight link, the chain is nearly worn out And for those that are caught in the box of, follow-the-directions-- 4) you follow the manufactures suggestion (heaven-forbid [especially me!]) and see how much the chain has grown in length--if it exceeds the manufactured recommendation--you guessed, it! it is worn out. That chain wear guide is available at http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ called the chain wear scale (specific item, below) http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/parts_frames.html I have one, it actually works. IRT buying/recc others products: usual disclaimer: I send Franklins, Fred sends parts. ect. Then, there is the red-neck, 'master of the obvious' method- 5) You hammer the throttle, and nothing happens--to discover the chain spit out the back or wound around your foot-- the chain is worn out revmaaatin.

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg May" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; "Jud Jones" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question In my experience you can have a chain where the o-rings look great, the chain does not seem streched and runs smooth but the first sign of wear is the bushings starting to have a bit of slop on the pins oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo In reality, chains do not "stretch." I know we commonly use that word to describe what happens, but it's not an accurate adjective. They elongate *only* due to the above wear you mention in the bushings. There is no real stretching going on at all, just bushing wear. ed A17

[Ed Chait]

I'll toss out this WD-40 truism, told to me by a friend who repairs clocks and watches for a living. A significant part of his clock repair business is from people spraying down clock mechanisms with WD-40 to free them up. It does free them up and works for a short time, but the WD-40 very effectively washes away any lubrication that's present and the resulting metal to metal contact completely seizes up the movement. ed A17

[Ron and Brenda Moorhouse]

________________________________ From: Ed Chait To: ldodge3082@...; Jud Jones ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:03:18 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question I'll toss out this WD-40 truism, told to me by a friend who repairs clocks and watches for a living. A significant part of his clock repair business is from people spraying down clock mechanisms with WD-40 to free them up. It does free them up and works for a short time, but the WD-40 very effectively washes away any lubrication that's present and the resulting metal to metal contact completely seizes up the movement. ed A17 Good to know should we decide to install clocks. ._,_.___ Messages in this topic (47) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * 9 New Members * 1 New LinksVisit Your Group Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Groups Going Green Zone Find Green groups. Find Green resources. Yahoo! Groups Special K ChallengeJoin others who are losing pounds. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fasteddiecopeman]

Ed, The WD40 is NOT to lubricate the chain. It's purpose is to keep the O-ring lubed so that it doesn't seize to either side plate which will then allow the grease that was put into the chain when it was built, to escape, thus ruining said chain... SO THERE. Ed ; > }

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Chait" wrote: > A significant part of his clock repair business is from people spraying down > clock mechanisms with WD-40 to free them up. It does free them up and works > for a short time, but the WD-40 very effectively washes away any lubrication > that's present and the resulting metal to metal contact completely seizes up > the movement. > > ed > A17 >

[Skypilot]

Eddie,,,, Dude,,,,, It is in the teens and below up here. 2 feet of white flying around with every stinking breeze. Your question has made this week bearable. No apology required. In fact, go ahead and ask what type of oil our new president would use in his damm HD for all we care! Just leave that ass-less chaps thing out. We don't need that conversation even in the winter. In fact what are you even thinking about that for? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/message/189310;_ylc=X3oDMTJydWppb2 5pBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEbXNnSWQDMTg5Mz EwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyMzI2MTkyNjU-> PLEASE Forgive Me! Oily Mess -NKLRish Posted by: "eddiebmauri" eddiebmauri@... http://profiles.yahoo.com/eddiebmauri> eddiebmauri Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:56 pm (PST) Twas' I who first asked about my KLR's "Chain Squeak". I should have known better than to ask any sort of "oil related question" on this newsgroup. What was I thinking! I promise, no more questions from me about "chain oil", politics, Harley's, ass-less chaps......... and Heaven forbid, "Engine Oil !!!" But, I do THANK those who provided some great insights into my "Chain Squeak" issue....... EddieM (03' KLR - "la poderosa") [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]