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[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

What I have a hard time understanding as I sit at my favorite Wine Bar in downtown Grapevine TX and the $50,000 custom pulling out of the local Biker Bar a block down the street comes by me purposely racking off his completely straight pipes damn near breaking my wine glass ..... is how he gets by with running pipes like that? When I first started driving / riding in the early / mid sixties, pipes like that would get you an excessive noise ticket. I know because I got 2 or 3 tickets running my Vespa without its whimpy muffler and my 56 Ford hardtop with twin glass pacs. The Ford sounded good, the Vespa didn't. My brother got a ticket with his 50 Merc running straight scavenger pipes when he wasn't even being noisy by the cop just looking at them and claiming they were illegal. I guess laws are different from town to town but it sure seems like the Big Twin crowd stretches the envelope. I don't really mind a nice sound even if a bit loud, but really. I go to my local lake and some clown is running a cigarette boat with waaaaaa-ay bunch of token babes .... running straight pipes in the middle of the night as does guys with a drag boat type motor on their boats. How do they get by with it? I used to go to indoor short track races in the winter time with a track in the local rodeo metal roof arena listening to a hoard of un- muffled expansion chambered 2 strokes with an occasional un-muffled BSA Gold Star. I could not hear for 3 days afterwards...... and my wife says I don't hear at all ..... heh. I don't know which was worse the smoke or the noise. But really, how does the Big Twin guys get by with running completely straight pipes? Criswell

On Nov 10, 2008, at 10:20 PM, Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jim Bolton wrote: > > > > Why do we always seperate when we should be on the same side ?. > Its strange that as a > group we like to "Farkle" but yet if someone does something that > someone else doesnt like > the banter turns on the individual that is doing the changes. There > must be a reason why > there are things made for the KLR to inprove or add to it. I like a > low rumble on my bike and I > like the weight loss hence the Big Gun quiet series.. > > I think that its dam foolish to put aluminum boxs on your bike > to get groceries or to take > a 2 day trip...its total overkill in my opinion but I would not > give a guy grief cuz he wants to > do it..... nor would I give a guy crap for putting a centerstand or > a set of warmers or rewiring > the whole bike....maybe the freedom of choice and the ability and > the money is there to do > the project......so farkle away..... its way to much for me to keep > up with all the other changes > that people make... Some people have way to much time on their > hands and hence the giving > of crap for doing things different then them. > > I hope that god forbid I didnt say something that makes the > whole klr world go ape shit > about what I said........ I just think that we need to realize that > as a group there will be > differences and personal touchs to a bike are just that....PERSONAL > TOUCHS.... > > Nobody ever wanted to out law motorcycles due to their aluminum > boxes and center stands. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

It's win-win-win: the rider gets his noise, the public doesn't have to listen to it, and the motorcycling community doesn't have to take crap for loud motorcycles. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > That's a good idea. I suggested that to a list member about ten years ago. At the time he didn't think it was so funny. :-/ > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > http://s1.zetaboards.com/arrowhead > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arden Kysely > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:39 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr > > > I've always thought a good idea for the noise-lovers would be to run a > tube from inside the exhaust exit right up to your ear. Then the rider > could have all the noise they want and the rest of us don't have to > listen to it. Not loud enough? Tap into the header instead of the > muffler. > > __Arden > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > > > . The stock exhaust is > > > not only quiet, but also too tame. What sound we do get isn't very > > > exciting, even from the rider seat. > > > > But at least it's quiet. I'd just as soon leave the life saving > efforts to the Harley riders. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jim Bolton]

I so agree....lets give up on all things different.... next if your offended by farts but like to smell your own.... a tube to the nose.... OH YEA.... and if you like 2 strokes with chambers we could put a pipe to the nose for the smell of two stroke oil and tubes to the ears... OH YEA..... Now where was my rocking chair.....and depends....oh crap.....

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Arden Kysely wrote: From: Arden Kysely Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 7:44 AM It's win-win-win: the rider gets his noise, the public doesn't have to listen to it, and the motorcycling community doesn't have to take crap for loud motorcycles. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > That's a good idea. I suggested that to a list member about ten years ago. At the time he didn't think it was so funny. :-/ > > Fred > http://www.arrowhea dmotorsports. com > http://s1.zetaboard s.com/arrowhead > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arden Kysely > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:39 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr > > > I've always thought a good idea for the noise-lovers would be to run a > tube from inside the exhaust exit right up to your ear. Then the rider > could have all the noise they want and the rest of us don't have to > listen to it. Not loud enough? Tap into the header instead of the > muffler. > > __Arden > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > > > . The stock exhaust is > > > not only quiet, but also too tame. What sound we do get isn't very > > > exciting, even from the rider seat. > > > > But at least it's quiet. I'd just as soon leave the life saving > efforts to the Harley riders. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

Personal Attacks are NOT allowed on this list. Fred List Admin.

----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Bolton To: Jud Jones ; DSN forum Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr People in glass houses should not throw stones..I believe your house is glass because you ride a motorcycle. Who are you to judge a person to be a jerk because he puts a pipe on his bike... He who does this may have his reasons and he would not care for your close minded views. Just because I want something different does not make me a jerk. Nor does riding a different style bike or brand of bike or not riding bikes at all. Your judgmental attitude is the reason that we have wars and and humans as a whole can not get a long... because of differences... skin, hair, religion, politics... you name it.. if I don't believe the way you do, than I am a jerk..thats friggen sad... I sir believe that you should live and let others live and quit being so narrow minded in your attempt to prove your point. I agree that a gsxr with a racing pipe going buy a guy at 80 while passing a car can scare the hell out of a car driver... but that doesn't make the guy with the pipe on his gsxr a jerk... It sure didn't take long for you to show your real colors and prove that your just another old geezer that complaines about others that will not do things his way.."Dam kids...the noise bikes and loud womenn......(FIst shaking just barely because of old age ). Why not get back on the porch and get to that rocking chair....cuz your not far from it..... If the music is to loud than your just to old to enjoy it..... PS.... the neigbors next door that will not talk to you think your a jerk................cuz he has a KTM 990.......OH MY !!!! PS>..... you made me do it.......and to return the favor......jerk.... --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Jud Jones wrote: From: Jud Jones Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 5:23 AM --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Jim Bolton wrote: > > I think that its motorcycles in general and the riders and the way they ride that annoy non riders.... pipes just add a little more to it.... a wheelie is a wheelie with or with out a pipe.. a stoppie is a stoppie with or without a pipe... a motorcycle parked and not running in the wrong spot is just as annoying as a bike with a pipe... could it be that its just a annoyance to people that don't like bikes that causes all the problems and not just the pipe... I don't buy it... you can't blame the pipe for all the problems that motorcycles cause.. we are free spirits and we do a lot of things that others don't like... cuz its how we are wired..... > I'm not just talking about people who don't ride. Parked motorcycles don't annoy me, nor do wheelies. I thought it was enough to blame the pipe for the problems that loud pipes cause. I tried to stop you from going there, but you have persuaded me: it's not the pipes, it's the jerks who put them on their bikes. ;-{> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fmhilton]

I sure hope you are not saying it is OK to like or get along with someone that does not hold your views or have your same opinions... Sounds like "Heresy to me, I like it." Mike H. Why do we always seperate when we should be on the same side ?. Its strange that as a group we like to "Farkle" but yet if someone does something that someone else doesnt like the banter turns on the individual that is doing the changes. There must be a reason why there are things made for the KLR to inprove or add to it. I like a low rumble on my bike and I like the weight loss hence the Big Gun quiet series.. I think that its dam foolish to put aluminum boxs on your bike to get groceries or to take a 2 day trip...its total overkill in my opinion but I would not give a guy grief cuz he wants to do it..... nor would I give a guy crap for putting a centerstand or a set of warmers or rewiring the whole bike....maybe the freedom of choice and the ability and the money is there to do the project......so farkle away..... its way to much for me to keep up with all the other changes that people make... Some people have way to much time on their hands and hence the giving of crap for doing things different then them. I hope that god forbid I didnt say something that makes the whole klr world go ape shit about what I said........ I just think that we need to realize that as a group there will be differences and personal touchs to a bike are just that....PERSONAL TOUCHS.... We now return to our regular sessions of crap giving or politics... YOU PIC.....

--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Arden Kysely" Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 4:45 PM That's a good idea. I suggested that to a list member about ten years ago. At the time he didn't think it was so funny. :-/ Fred http://www.arrowhea dmotorsports. com http://s1.zetaboard s.com/arrowhead ----- Original Message ----- From: Arden Kysely To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr I've always thought a good idea for the noise-lovers would be to run a tube from inside the exhaust exit right up to your ear. Then the rider could have all the noise they want and the rest of us don't have to listen to it. Not loud enough? Tap into the header instead of the muffler. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > . The stock exhaust is > > not only quiet, but also too tame. What sound we do get isn't very > > exciting, even from the rider seat. > > But at least it's quiet. I'd just as soon leave the life saving efforts to the Harley riders. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

WHAT ? SPEAK UP SOME LOUD BIKE JUST WENT BY... Just Kidding.. I mounted a Cobra pipe on my bike once, and took it for a spin, did'nt care how hot it still was.. it hit the driveway as fast as I could get it off the bike and put the stocker back on. Dooden A15 Green Ape (Sneaky Bastard)

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jim Bolton wrote: > > Why do we always seperate when we should be on the same side ?. Its strange that as a group we like to "Farkle" but yet if someone does something that someone else doesnt like the banter turns on the individual that is doing the changes. There must be a reason why there are things made for the KLR to inprove or add to it. I like a low rumble on my bike and I like the weight loss hence the Big Gun quiet series.. > I think that its dam foolish to put aluminum boxs on your bike to get groceries or to take a 2 day trip...its total overkill in my opinion but I would not give a guy grief cuz he wants to do it..... nor would I give a guy crap for putting a centerstand or a set of warmers or rewiring the whole bike....maybe the freedom of choice and the ability and the money is there to do the project......so farkle away..... its way to much for me to keep up with all the other changes that people make... Some people have way to much time on their hands and hence the giving of crap for doing things different then them. > I hope that god forbid I didnt say something that makes the whole klr world go ape shit about what I said........ I just think that we need to realize that as a group there will be differences and personal touchs to a bike are just that....PERSONAL TOUCHS.... > We now return to our regular sessions of crap giving or politics... YOU PIC..... > > --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Fred Hink wrote: > From: Fred Hink > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Arden Kysely" > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 4:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a good idea. I suggested that to a list member about ten years ago. At the time he didn't think it was so funny. :- / > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowhea dmotorsports. com > > http://s1.zetaboard s.com/arrowhead > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Arden Kysely > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:39 AM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr > > > > I've always thought a good idea for the noise-lovers would be to run a > > tube from inside the exhaust exit right up to your ear. Then the rider > > could have all the noise they want and the rest of us don't have to > > listen to it. Not loud enough? Tap into the header instead of the > > muffler. > > > > __Arden > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > > > > > . The stock exhaust is > > > > not only quiet, but also too tame. What sound we do get isn't very > > > > exciting, even from the rider seat. > > > > > > But at least it's quiet. I'd just as soon leave the life saving > > efforts to the Harley riders. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[eddie self]

----- Original Message ----- From: fmhilton To: dragonknee@... ; Fred Hink ; DSN forum Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr I sure hope you are not saying it is OK to like or get along with someone that does not hold your views or have your same opinions... Sounds like "Heresy to me, I like it." Mike H. Why do we always seperate when we should be on the same side ?. Its strange that as a group we like to "Farkle" but yet if someone does something that someone else doesnt like the banter turns on the individual that is doing the changes. There must be a reason why there are things made for the KLR to inprove or add to it. I like a low rumble on my bike and I like the weight loss hence the Big Gun quiet series.. I think that its dam foolish to put aluminum boxs on your bike to get groceries or to take a 2 day trip...its total overkill in my opinion but I would not give a guy grief cuz he wants to do it..... nor would I give a guy crap for putting a centerstand or a set of warmers or rewiring the whole bike....maybe the freedom of choice and the ability and the money is there to do the project......so farkle away..... its way to much for me to keep up with all the other changes that people make... Some people have way to much time on their hands and hence the giving of crap for doing things different then them. I hope that god forbid I didnt say something that makes the whole klr world go ape shit about what I said........ I just think that we need to realize that as a group there will be differences and personal touchs to a bike are just that....PERSONAL TOUCHS.... We now return to our regular sessions of crap giving or politics... YOU PIC..... --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Fred Hink wrote: From: Fred Hink Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Arden Kysely" Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 4:45 PM That's a good idea. I suggested that to a list member about ten years ago. At the time he didn't think it was so funny. :-/ Fred http://www.arrowhea dmotorsports. com http://s1.zetaboard s.com/arrowhead ----- Original Message ----- From: Arden Kysely To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr I've always thought a good idea for the noise-lovers would be to run a tube from inside the exhaust exit right up to your ear. Then the rider could have all the noise they want and the rest of us don't have to listen to it. Not loud enough? Tap into the header instead of the muffler. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > . The stock exhaust is > > not only quiet, but also too tame. What sound we do get isn't very > > exciting, even from the rider seat. > > But at least it's quiet. I'd just as soon leave the life saving efforts to the Harley riders. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim Bolton]

I think that people have the wrong idea of what I am saying. I don't think that the ills of motorcycling are the pipes. I think that they are part of it and agree totally with most of you when it comes to to loud of pipes... don't need them. But a quiet pipe is ok for weight loss and a little rumble if thats what you like. I have a stock system on mine. A family having a picnic will remember a group of motorcycles going by no matter what... yes they will hear a pipe but they would also remember someone riding fast by them or doing a wheelie or whatever.... we are not saints and so goes some of the problems. I will let my side of this drop, I just think that blaming the ills of motorcycling on pipes is placing to much on just one problem..and its everything as a whole that causes problems. They are closing the desert in california in huge amounts and it has nothing to do with pipes , it has to do with conservation and lizards and natural plants. It also has to do with people that don't stay on the trails and cause all kind of other problems with things and people around them...... Just my oppinion [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

Speaking of picnics and motorcycles. 30 years ago we unmuffled 2 stroke on expansion chambers riders thought it was way cool to meet at the local lake (all 300 or 400 of us) and go roaring through picnic areas thinking the pinickers would think we was way cool. They didn't and eventually we were banned. Now those same trails are OK for mountain bikes, walkers and runners ...... but the walkers and runners are starting to complain about those silent mountain bikers are swooping up on them from behind and scaring them. Criswell

On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Jim Bolton wrote: > I think that people have the wrong idea of what I am saying. I > don't think that the ills of motorcycling are the pipes. I think > that they are part of it and agree totally with most of you when it > comes to to loud of pipes... don't need them. But a quiet pipe is > ok for weight loss and a little rumble if thats what you like. I > have a stock system on mine. > A family having a picnic will remember a group of motorcycles > going by no matter what... yes they will hear a pipe but they would > also remember someone riding fast by them or doing a wheelie or > whatever.... we are not saints and so goes some of the problems. > I will let my side of this drop, I just think that blaming the > ills of motorcycling on pipes is placing to much on just one > problem..and its everything as a whole that causes problems. They > are closing the desert in california in huge amounts and it has > nothing to do with pipes , it has to do with conservation and > lizards and natural plants. It also has to do with people that > don't stay on the trails and cause all kind of other problems with > things and people around them...... Just my oppinion > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim Bolton]

I know...and they complain about the horse turds being a distraction to the scenery and people with loud hiking boots.....

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: big gun exhaust for klr To: dragonknee@... Cc: "DSN forum" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:59 AM Speaking of picnics and motorcycles. 30 years ago we unmuffled 2 stroke on expansion chambers riders thought it was way cool to meet at the local lake (all 300 or 400 of us) and go roaring through picnic areas thinking the pinickers would think we was way cool. They didn't and eventually we were banned. Now those same trails are OK for mountain bikes, walkers and runners ...... but the walkers and runners are starting to complain about those silent mountain bikers are swooping up on them from behind and scaring them. Criswell On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Jim Bolton wrote: I think that people have the wrong idea of what I am saying. I don't think that the ills of motorcycling are the pipes. I think that they are part of it and agree totally with most of you when it comes to to loud of pipes... don't need them. But a quiet pipe is ok for weight loss and a little rumble if thats what you like. I have a stock system on mine. A family having a picnic will remember a group of motorcycles going by no matter what... yes they will hear a pipe but they would also remember someone riding fast by them or doing a wheelie or whatever.... we are not saints and so goes some of the problems. I will let my side of this drop, I just think that blaming the ills of motorcycling on pipes is placing to much on just one problem..and its everything as a whole that causes problems. They are closing the desert in california in huge amounts and it has nothing to do with pipes , it has to do with conservation and lizards and natural plants. It also has to do with people that don't stay on the trails and cause all kind of other problems with things and people around them...... Just my oppinion [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]