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[slvrspks]

Got a line on a '94 KLR650 w/35.4k miles and as far as I know the only upgrade is a gel seat--have not had a chance to look/ride it yet. Assuming that there are no glaring problems with it and that nothing else has been done to it--what would a fair price be--the guy is asking $1200? With the high(?) mileage is there anything special that I would need to look at---of course I'll ask if the Doohickey or anything else has been done. Thanks, Wayne Marrowstone Isl, WA

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "slvrspks" wrote:

> > Got a line on a '94 KLR650 w/35.4k miles and as far as I know the

only

> upgrade is a gel seat--have not had a chance to look/ride it yet. > Assuming that there are no glaring problems with it and that

nothing

> else has been done to it--what would a fair price be--the guy is > asking $1200? > > With the high(?) mileage is there anything special that I would

need

> to look at---of course I'll ask if the Doohickey or anything else

has

> been done. > > Thanks, > > Wayne > Marrowstone Isl, WA >

Why not ask him-- "What makes this bike worth $1200?" and 'make' him sell it to you at a fair price. It is hard to believe--the bike has that many miles and no farkle added. Is there a helmet, shop manual, safety clothing that could be added to sweaten the deal? What are you going to do with this bike? Adventure ride? Walmart shop? Commute to school/work? Is the bike set up the way you need it now, or will you have to change things to make it work for you? (Your 'real' cost is going up!) At that price, I would expect: the bike has not been beaten severely, and has new tires/tubes, fresh oil, a very good chain/sprockets and appears to have been stored in they guys living room since new; then it might be a good value. OTH: It would be hard to find ANYTHING 650 for less $1000 unless Uncle Ned is selling it to his favorite Nephew. I once was a favorite nephew.... I bought a 67 Fairlane (in 1979) like that once--I should have paid them the asking price and let them keep the car! I would have been $$$$ a head. It looked good--but everything 'rubber' on the car had dry rotted from lack of use, etc. I mean everything. Questions--I would ask, Are you the original owner? If not original, how many? Do you have a maintenace history? When did you last clean/lube the steering head bearings? When did you last clean/lube the swing arm? What oil change interval do you use? What oil do you use? How old are the tires (date installed)? (Installed Over 5 years old-- I ain't riding them very far!) What is the condition of the chain/sprockets? What is the clutch/choke/throttle cable condition? Look closely at the clutch perch, brake perch, and the mirror assembly for damage--as well as the switch groups on both sides. A 14 y/o bike @ $1200 bike (or $3,000) can have 3/$500 in chain, sprockets, cables expense right away. I suspect, it will need at least 1/2 of these items replaced...to be really road worthy. = trustworthy as an adventure bike. You could, during the test drive, ride it past the Kawi dealer and ask what he would give you on a trade for a new KLR 650. (I think--) the real street value of the bike ~20% more than the dealer would give you on trade. Good chance, the dealer would only allow ~$600 for a 14 y/o bike. Keep us posted. Can you post pictures for an Internet assessment? Even if you don't buy it! I would like to see what a $1200 bike looks like. smile. If it is an outstanding bike, it won't last long. If it is a well beaten pig, it will be there for a few days. revmaaatin.

[Jim Douglas]

revmaaatin wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "slvrspks" wrote: > > > > Got a line on a '94 KLR650 w/35.4k miles and as far as I know the > only > > upgrade is a gel seat--have not had a chance to look/ride it yet. > > Assuming that there are no glaring problems with it and that > nothing > > else has been done to it--what would a fair price be--the guy is > > asking $1200? > > > > With the high(?) mileage is there anything special that I would > need > > to look at---of course I'll ask if the Doohickey or anything else > has > > been done. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wayne > > Marrowstone Isl, WA > > > > Why not ask him-- > "What makes this bike worth $1200?" and 'make' him sell it to you at > a fair price. It is hard to believe--the bike has that many miles > and no farkle added. > > Is there a helmet, shop manual, safety clothing that could be added > to sweaten the deal? > > What are you going to do with this bike? > Adventure ride? > Walmart shop? > Commute to school/work? > Is the bike set up the way you need it now, or will you have to > change things to make it work for you? (Your 'real' cost is going > up!) > > At that price, I would expect: the bike has not been beaten severely, > and has new tires/tubes, fresh oil, a very good chain/sprockets and > appears to have been stored in they guys living room since new; then > it might be a good value. > > OTH: It would be hard to find ANYTHING 650 for less $1000 unless > Uncle Ned is selling it to his favorite Nephew. > > I once was a favorite nephew.... > > I bought a 67 Fairlane (in 1979) like that once--I should have paid > them the asking price and let them keep the car! I would have been > $$$$ a head. It looked good--but everything 'rubber' on the car had > dry rotted from lack of use, etc. I mean everything. > > Questions--I would ask, > Are you the original owner? > If not original, how many? > Do you have a maintenace history? > When did you last clean/lube the steering head bearings? > When did you last clean/lube the swing arm? > What oil change interval do you use? > What oil do you use? > How old are the tires (date installed)? (Installed Over 5 years old-- > I ain't riding them very far!) > What is the condition of the chain/sprockets? > What is the clutch/choke/throttle cable condition? > Look closely at the clutch perch, brake perch, and the mirror > assembly for damage--as well as the switch groups on both sides. > > A 14 y/o bike @ $1200 bike (or $3,000) can have 3/$500 in chain, > sprockets, cables expense right away. I suspect, it will need at > least 1/2 of these items replaced...to be really road worthy. = > trustworthy as an adventure bike. > > You could, during the test drive, ride it past the Kawi dealer and > ask what he would give you on a trade for a new KLR 650. (I think--) > the real street value of the bike ~20% more than the dealer would > give you on trade. Good chance, the dealer would only allow ~$600 > for a 14 y/o bike. > > Keep us posted. Can you post pictures for an Internet assessment? > Even if you don't buy it! I would like to see what a $1200 bike > looks like. smile. > > If it is an outstanding bike, it won't last long. If it is a well > beaten pig, it will be there for a few days. > > revmaaatin. > >

Kelly Blue Book Motorcyles indicate around $1055.00 so give him that! It's the trade-in value and don't pay more than than! Probably can go there with $800 in $100's and pull it out, make sure he does not have a gun on/near him first, and say I have this right now! As far as all the maintenance items listed above assume no it ain't been done, does it run? does is start right up? Is is speewing smoke after warmed up? Is the rubber on the tires cracked? These are what I would be looking at and telling him to lower the price cause of it!

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 3:07 AM +0000 10/5/08, slvrspks wrote:

>Got a line on a '94 KLR650 w/35.4k miles and as far as I know the only >upgrade is a gel seat--have not had a chance to look/ride it yet. >Assuming that there are no glaring problems with it and that nothing >else has been done to it--what would a fair price be--the guy is >asking $1200?

$800 tops or walk away. Mark

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jim Douglas wrote:

> > revmaaatin wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "slvrspks"

wrote:

> > > > > > Got a line on a '94 KLR650 w/35.4k miles

SNIP> > >

> > > Wayne > > > Marrowstone Isl, WA > > > > > > > Why not ask him-- > > "What makes this bike worth $1200?" and 'make' him sell it to you

at

> > a fair price.

SNIP revmaaatin.

> > > > > Kelly Blue Book Motorcyles indicate around $1055.00 so give him

that!

> It's the > trade-in value and don't pay more than than! Probably can go there

with $800

> in $100's and pull it out, make sure he does not have a gun on/near

him

> first, > and say I have this right now! As far as all the maintenance items > listed above > assume no it ain't been done, does it run? does is start right up?

Is is

> speewing > smoke after warmed up? Is the rubber on the tires cracked? These

are what

> I would be looking at and telling him to lower the price cause of

it!

>

Kelley Blue book is a good starting point--especially for the seller. Unfortunately, the insurance industry uses NADA as the 'fair- market-value', and it makes me a tad concerned that if you buy at KELLEY values, and subsequently the bike is destroyed or stolen, NADA value is what will be used to assess your loss. the last published NADA value is for a 1995 KLR. see http://www.nadaguides.com/default.aspx?LI=1-23-38-5697-0-0- 0&l=1&w=23&p=38&f=5698&m=0146&d=1200008260&y=1995&ml=K&gc=MC>c=MC Low Retail Average Retail $570 $745 These values are percent-wise, a long ways form $1200 asking price, or the KELLEY value as well. Although, I would agree with Jim--the KLR historically 'sells-retail' closer to KELLEY values than the NADA values. The dealer will be using NADA values as well if you want to trade.... revmaaatin.

[boulder_adv_rider]

Folks, we need to rally together for energy independence. I can't say how sad I am to see our country deteriorating while we fund the world's development and terrorists via our oil addiction. This country has to come together and take a stand against Congress and friggin special interests. Otherwise, the freedoms that dwindles each year won't be here for future generations. I enjoy riding my KLR and sharing this forum. However, it's not a Constitutional right. If we don't get off our oil addiction, others might never get such opportunities. Jobs--mostly manufacturing-- continue to go overseas (159k jobs lost with the latest job report). We are starting to go beyond a tipping point. It is a crisis. Right here and now. Of course, I don't have all the solutions. In fact, I'm better at fixing KLRs than meddling in politics myself. But I'm good at identifying one thing as are most in here: things that are dangerously broken. Our government led by Jackass Bush has systematically driven things to the brink. Biden called Chenney "the most dangerous Vice President we've ever had." Wow. You'd like to discard it as rhetoric, but the crazy thing is no one disputes it! Now, I'm not here to argue for Obama or McCain; Republican or Democrat. Rather, remind you all how important energy independence is. However is stepping in and up to run this nation needs to understand clearly We the People are loading him into the breech of our public weapon. The weapon that will wage a war on energy independence. Don't take the job if it's not a top priority. Where these jackasses and the special interests are getting in the way, we need to drag them out of the way by their hair. Enough is enough. The Bush oil wars need to end, and we need to create jobs here in America and go back to strengthening our nation. Serious capital directed to alternative energy will create jobs here and lower costs of energy. The truth is good economies are predicated on cheap energy. Paying $4 for gasoline and high heating and other energy bills is just eroding real incomes. Our Congress simply needs to STOP irresponsible spending. For example, $10B a month in Iraq building its nation is unacceptable. At $4/watt installed (high estimate) that's 250 million watts of solar energy and jobs created getting it installed. We could be doing this monthly while spending a lot less to strengthen our own national security here at home. We'll never prevent every terrorist attack. We're wasting our money fighting these wars. Every country leaving Afghanistan comes out defeated...cut above the eye, fat lip and severe limp. We'll be no different. Instead, let's enjoy a tidy backyard instead of trying to clean up the messes all over in the world. When more countries decide to put skin in the game and rout out the evil, then we'll consider the problem real. Right now we're doing more harm than good and getting weaker each day. Not to mention pissing away opportunity and people with a ridiculous addition to oil. I would sure like to see something like this being built in America vs. United Arab Emirates. Not it's their second building...not even done with the first. And we can't even get our Towers back! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_dubai_world_s_ta llest_building Lastly, I'd be nice to enjoy a weekend without having to feel uneasy for our men and women in harm's way. I'd sure like to see them get the hell out of these places and put an end to the horrific injuries and body bags being delivered weekly to shattered friends, family and loved ones. Brian - who believes a vision is a dream with a mission

[greg saunders]

Wayne, That price sounds good to me so long as the bike is in good shape. A year ago my son bought a KLR of that same year. He paid 1800 for it, but it had many extras. This summer we took it on the CDR and no problems at all. Good luck. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comFrom: slvrspks@...: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 03:07:59 +0000Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 1994 Price Got a line on a '94 KLR650 w/35.4k miles and as far as I know the only upgrade is a gel seat--have not had a chance to look/ride it yet. Assuming that there are no glaring problems with it and that nothing else has been done to it--what would a fair price be--the guy is asking $1200? With the high(?) mileage is there anything special that I would need to look at---of course I'll ask if the Doohickey or anything else has been done.Thanks,WayneMarrowstone Isl, WA _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]