nklr jetman...not to be confused with klrman

[grbhfng]

While we're quoting old generals... General Curtis LeMay..."...bomb them back to the Stone Age..." My opinion... Bomb them till there's nothing but rubble, then make the rubble bounce

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: From: Tengai Mark Van Horn Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: More BAD news from Mexico NKLR To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 11:03 PM At 7:20 PM -0700 9/2/08, grbhfng wrote: >So... > >What your trying to tell me is that we fought WW >II because we provoked the Japanese Empire and >their friends into attacking us at Pearl Harbor, >right ? > >Sorry, but I don't buy the propaganda that your trying to sell. > >I believe that you subscribe to the Violence >Never Solves Anything school of thought. War Is A Racket 1935 by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, Two-time Congressional Medal of Honor recipient. http://www.lexrex com/enlightened/ articles/ warisaracket. htm> The following is an excerpt from a speech he gave in 1933: War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic -Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Reverend]

> -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of jokerloco9@... > > So what you are saying (and this General), is don't do anything until > the troops are massed at the border, and fight the war on your own soil.

Perhaps the small quote would be better taken as a polite suggestion to get to the library and read the book and then (if there's an interest) appropriate similar books on similar subjects to built a broader view of the event(s) in question. Extrapolating from a small quote, the suggestion that we should quietly sit and wait until an enemy is at our doorstep, is quite a leap. One, that in light of that we are indeed a super-power with resources world-wide and a large intelligence community AND a large armory able to move quickly, appears a little myopic, even at a quick glance.

> I'm sure glad your only forum is a silly info site about a motorcycle. > Because very few people in the real world would take you seriously.

It would be silly if the site didn't have a touch of extra-KLR subject on which some members are able to discuss on a mature level. Allow me to enlighten you that many countries do instill a bit of education (particularly history, being pertinent to our discussion here) in their students and will not pass a student who does not ascertain a proper grasp of the subject. While history is most often written by the victor in a conflict, we are, and have been, living in enlightened enough times that the real history isn't entirely eradicated. Thus, some of us with an interest can do a scant bit of digging and peruse the vast annals of history via the words and images of those who lived it. It brings a vastly different view than the Cliff-Notes version of WWII that some here clearly thought told enough of that story.

> Sure, there are many people that will profit from war. I'm sure > Germany and Japan sure profited. Or France, or Poland, or Russia, or

Britain.

> Wow, I missed a great investment opportunity.

Though I don't know your age, I suspect you might not have been old enough to profit in the plethora of opportunities in each of the countries you listed during their involvement in war. That is also a part of a good education and knowing history. Seeing certain patterns repeating themselves and being able to think ahead to see the effects of certain events on other industries for instance. During WWII Germany was such a profit potential that Wall Street kept plenty of their paws there, as in France. Japan? The Meiji Restoration led to immense profits following the booming industry for many years. I think you get my drift here.

> Jeff A20 -Happily riding bike while reaching new heights of amazement > as to how stupid people can be.

The Greeks called that "hybris". As the Italians would say: " l'orgoglio che te lo mette nel culo...".

[grbhfng]

OK, payback Rev...you commented on my spelling and punctuation before, so fair is fair... It's spelled "hubris"

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Reverend wrote: From: Reverend Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: More BAD news from Mexico NKLR To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:57 AM > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of jokerloco9@aol. com > > So what you are saying (and this General), is don't do anything until > the troops are massed at the border, and fight the war on your own soil. Perhaps the small quote would be better taken as a polite suggestion to get to the library and read the book and then (if there's an interest) appropriate similar books on similar subjects to built a broader view of the event(s) in question. Extrapolating from a small quote, the suggestion that we should quietly sit and wait until an enemy is at our doorstep, is quite a leap. One, that in light of that we are indeed a super-power with resources world-wide and a large intelligence community AND a large armory able to move quickly, appears a little myopic, even at a quick glance. > I'm sure glad your only forum is a silly info site about a motorcycle. > Because very few people in the real world would take you seriously. It would be silly if the site didn't have a touch of extra-KLR subject on which some members are able to discuss on a mature level. Allow me to enlighten you that many countries do instill a bit of education (particularly history, being pertinent to our discussion here) in their students and will not pass a student who does not ascertain a proper grasp of the subject. While history is most often written by the victor in a conflict, we are, and have been, living in enlightened enough times that the real history isn't entirely eradicated. Thus, some of us with an interest can do a scant bit of digging and peruse the vast annals of history via the words and images of those who lived it. It brings a vastly different view than the Cliff-Notes version of WWII that some here clearly thought told enough of that story. > Sure, there are many people that will profit from war. I'm sure > Germany and Japan sure profited. Or France, or Poland, or Russia, or Britain. > Wow, I missed a great investment opportunity. Though I don't know your age, I suspect you might not have been old enough to profit in the plethora of opportunities in each of the countries you listed during their involvement in war. That is also a part of a good education and knowing history. Seeing certain patterns repeating themselves and being able to think ahead to see the effects of certain events on other industries for instance. During WWII Germany was such a profit potential that Wall Street kept plenty of their paws there, as in France. Japan? The Meiji Restoration led to immense profits following the booming industry for many years. I think you get my drift here. > Jeff A20 -Happily riding bike while reaching new heights of amazement > as to how stupid people can be. The Greeks called that "hybris". As the Italians would say: " l'orgoglio che te lo mette nel culo...". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[grbhfng]

What book are you talking about reading ?

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, grbhfng wrote: From: grbhfng Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: More BAD news from Mexico NKLR To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 1:04 AM OK, payback Rev...you commented on my spelling and punctuation before, so fair is fair... It's spelled "hubris" --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Reverend wrote: From: Reverend Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: More BAD news from Mexico NKLR To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 12:57 AM > -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of jokerloco9@aol. com > > So what you are saying (and this General), is don't do anything until > the troops are massed at the border, and fight the war on your own soil. Perhaps the small quote would be better taken as a polite suggestion to get to the library and read the book and then (if there's an interest) appropriate similar books on similar subjects to built a broader view of the event(s) in question. Extrapolating from a small quote, the suggestion that we should quietly sit and wait until an enemy is at our doorstep, is quite a leap. One, that in light of that we are indeed a super-power with resources world-wide and a large intelligence community AND a large armory able to move quickly, appears a little myopic, even at a quick glance. > I'm sure glad your only forum is a silly info site about a motorcycle. > Because very few people in the real world would take you seriously. It would be silly if the site didn't have a touch of extra-KLR subject on which some members are able to discuss on a mature level. Allow me to enlighten you that many countries do instill a bit of education (particularly history, being pertinent to our discussion here) in their students and will not pass a student who does not ascertain a proper grasp of the subject. While history is most often written by the victor in a conflict, we are, and have been, living in enlightened enough times that the real history isn't entirely eradicated. Thus, some of us with an interest can do a scant bit of digging and peruse the vast annals of history via the words and images of those who lived it. It brings a vastly different view than the Cliff-Notes version of WWII that some here clearly thought told enough of that story. > Sure, there are many people that will profit from war. I'm sure > Germany and Japan sure profited. Or France, or Poland, or Russia, or Britain. > Wow, I missed a great investment opportunity. Though I don't know your age, I suspect you might not have been old enough to profit in the plethora of opportunities in each of the countries you listed during their involvement in war. That is also a part of a good education and knowing history. Seeing certain patterns repeating themselves and being able to think ahead to see the effects of certain events on other industries for instance. During WWII Germany was such a profit potential that Wall Street kept plenty of their paws there, as in France. Japan? The Meiji Restoration led to immense profits following the booming industry for many years. I think you get my drift here. > Jeff A20 -Happily riding bike while reaching new heights of amazement > as to how stupid people can be. The Greeks called that "hybris". As the Italians would say: " l'orgoglio che te lo mette nel culo...". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Reverend]

I don't believe I ever have. Perhaps you have your Rev's wrong? (Revmaatin?) On the 2nd issue, I do believe I said "The Greeks called that "hybris"." And despite "hubris" being the common spelling in English, spelling it with a "y" isn't wrong as per the Random House Unabridged Dictionary and the American Heritage Dictionary.

> -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of grbhfng > > OK, payback Rev...you commented on my spelling and punctuation before, > so fair is fair... > > It's spelled "hubris"

[Bogdan Swider]

Wow.....And here I thought that Revmaatin had adjusted his moniker. I was scratching my head and thinking he had undergone a curious conversion. Kinda St. Paul on the road to Damascus in reverse. Wonder how many of Revmaatin s other old friends were also confused. And yes.. this thread is getting tired but we ve had worse and so far no personal insults. Bogdan, who remember that for a while there was another Bogdan on the list.

On 9/3/08 9:53 AM, "Reverend" wrote: > > > > I don't believe I ever have. Perhaps you have your Rev's wrong? (Revmaatin?) > On the 2nd issue, I do believe I said "The Greeks called that "hybris"." And > despite "hubris" being the common spelling in English, spelling it with a > "y" isn't wrong as per the Random House Unabridged Dictionary and the > American Heritage Dictionary. > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > Behalf Of grbhfng >> > >> > OK, payback Rev...you commented on my spelling and punctuation before, >> > so fair is fair... >> > >> > It's spelled "hubris" > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 10:03 PM -0700 9/2/08, grbhfng wrote:

>Glad you Peace At Any Cost types weren't allowed to run things >during the fight against Germany and Japan, because you would be >speaking Japanese if you live west of the Mississippi, and German in >the east.

LOL... Ya just gotta love Walmart trunk ribbon, Chinese-made USA flag wavin', Fox News hypnotized, Bushbot "patriots"... Mark

[boulder_adv_rider]

ha ha... i better tune and test drive it for him --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jim Douglas wrote:

> > boulder_adv_rider wrote: > > > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468993/jetman/ > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468993/jetman/> > > > > > Looks like he was running an 08 which had an oil leaking > issue............... >