benny and the high altitude jets

[albatrossklr]

Lots of interesting info?? here, but isn't the mileage more influenced by wind resistance than weight (to a certain point that is)? albatross who knows a bit about riding the wind

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote: > > I could do the same by going on a diet. I could lose 40 lbs. Forget > messing with the muffler. > > Jeff A20 > > > In a message dated 8/20/2008 10:46:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > edchait4@... writes: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jud Jones > To: _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:41 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe > > --- In _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) , > Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 8/19/08 11:09 PM, "hardyreels" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do pipes like Supertraps really up your gas mileage and performance > > > both? > > > > > No.......... > > My prediction: there will be a lot of different answers to this question. > This is the one you can > take to the bank. > > oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight savings > from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will increase > your gas mileage and performance. > > ed > A17 > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[nakedwaterskier]

I had a Supertrapp; Sounded better but I had to wear earplugs. It might have given 1 or 2 more hp. But, the Supertrapp needed more maintenance. I sold it and am back to stock. With a stock exhaust you need to put anti-seize on everything except the things you want to put locktite on like the clamps and hanger nuts and bolts. THEN YOU MUST SPLIT THE PERFORATED PIPE BY HAMMERING IN A LARGE SCREWDRIVER TO GET RID OF THAT DAMN AIRCOOLED VW TWEETY SOUND. Then you can pretty much forget about it. Jeffrey

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Chait" wrote:

> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jokerloco9@... > To: edchait4@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; judjonzz@... > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe > > > I could do the same by going on a diet. I could lose 40 lbs. Forget > messing with the muffler. > > Jeff A20 > > > oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > Please report back as soon as you do with the improvements. > > ed, time for a cheeseburger > A17 >

I read somewhere the stock muffler weighs 11 lbs. I'd have thought more, but no matter. What does the Supertrapp weigh? Over the winter, I shed 17 lbs. of ugly fat. (Noo, I didn't cut off my head.) If that made the KLR any faster, I can't detect it, while my gas mileage is definitely off. For that, I suspect something other than the weight loss.

[grbhfng]

But the aircooled VW Tweety sound so goes with the VW Horn sound

--- On Wed, 8/20/08, nakedwaterskier wrote: From: nakedwaterskier Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 2:19 PM I had a Supertrapp; Sounded better but I had to wear earplugs. It might have given 1 or 2 more hp. But, the Supertrapp needed more maintenance. I sold it and am back to stock. With a stock exhaust you need to put anti-seize on everything except the things you want to put locktite on like the clamps and hanger nuts and bolts. THEN YOU MUST SPLIT THE PERFORATED PIPE BY HAMMERING IN A LARGE SCREWDRIVER TO GET RID OF THAT DAMN AIRCOOLED VW TWEETY SOUND. Then you can pretty much forget about it. Jeffrey [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Doug]

Hey folks, was reading about the "after market pipe" and thought I would give some thoughts I had after installing my Super Trapp. I always try not to upset the neighbors with loud noises coming from my cycles mufflers. So after installing it on my A13 I took it out for a test run and really noticed how much louder it was over the stock muffler. Didn't really seem to run any different. So, not to upset the old neighbors I have, I had my friend ride past me with it , up and down my road and see just how loud it really was. Well, it really wasn't that loud. I liked that. But what I really liked was that it had a nice sound. Back in the sixtys and seventys people would put "Cherry Bomb Mufflers" on their cars. Those mufflers always had a certain sound that you new what it was. And that's what it reminded me of. So I decided to leave it as is and enjoy it. If I had to replace it, it would be with another Super Trapp. The stock muffler is so much heavier it would not have gone back on for any reason. I don't know if it gets better gas millage or not because my A13 has always got great gas mileage anyway.I didn't do any rejetting with it. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[boulder_adv_rider]

Personally, I think the debate and banter is extremely healthy and helpful. I don't feel insulted nor am trying to insult--rather have some fun with the topic as we debate something we're passionate about, have vested-interests in, etc. Again, if someone wants to guide me to EXACTLY where the research shows "our tests proved we got X-mpg improvement with this exhaust/setup, etc...under these condition...," I'd be happy to learn more and post less. The bottom- line is no one can show me scientific proof mpg improved. Sorry, "I made the change and my mpg went from 47 to 51" isn't acceptable proof for me. HP output? Yes, you can increase jet sizes and even run NO2 and give you some mind-numbing figures. But again the focus was on increasing MPG to the point the buyer would recoup his expense from better fuel economy. Looking at the pipes on the market (I don't know them all), but it appears $400 with shipping and jets (figure your time, too) is a reasonable expectation in upfront cost. But this isn't it. You have to look at lifecycle cost which includes maintenance like repacking baffles (time and materials) and performance (louder) as you approach service limits. If you go with something like Big Gun (mechanical baffles, you'll pay over $500 upfront but exclude maintenance and most notably USFS-approved componentry). Now, I didn't read anywhere that Fred requires frequent, periodic group hugs. Of coursee, I respect vendors' willingness to provide education, test results, features, etc., but unfortunately some people abuse the open mind and ears...which on another topic (check your email/spam) leaves many hoping for that 18-inch elephant wand and completely empty pockets. People have opinions and should feel free to voice them without insults or worry about being policed. I've read hilarious posts and banter from this group which honestly keeps me coming back. That and peoples' genuine desire to help enthusiasts in many ways. I've been insulted on this board many times but never take offense to it. Most of the time it's from unhappy people or those not strong enough or willing to accept we're all just little organisms scrutinized by nature and its laws. - Brian --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "nakedwaterskier" wrote:

> > After Market Pipe talk with Personal insults is considered KLR. If

the

> insults are stand alone they are a no no even with a NKLR tag. > > I think the members should be able to vote as to what rating we

want.

> NC-17 or R. I personally vote for R. > > Jeffrey >

[grbhfng]

Opinions are like A**holes, everyone has one, and they all stink.

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, boulder_adv_rider wrote: From: boulder_adv_rider Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:49 AM Personally, I think the debate and banter is extremely healthy and helpful. I don't feel insulted nor am trying to insult--rather have some fun with the topic as we debate something we're passionate about, have vested-interests in, etc. Again, if someone wants to guide me to EXACTLY where the research shows "our tests proved we got X-mpg improvement with this exhaust/setup, etc...under these condition... ," I'd be happy to learn more and post less. The bottom- line is no one can show me scientific proof mpg improved. Sorry, "I made the change and my mpg went from 47 to 51" isn't acceptable proof for me. HP output? Yes, you can increase jet sizes and even run NO2 and give you some mind-numbing figures. But again the focus was on increasing MPG to the point the buyer would recoup his expense from better fuel economy. Looking at the pipes on the market (I don't know them all), but it appears $400 with shipping and jets (figure your time, too) is a reasonable expectation in upfront cost. But this isn't it. You have to look at lifecycle cost which includes maintenance like repacking baffles (time and materials) and performance (louder) as you approach service limits. If you go with something like Big Gun (mechanical baffles, you'll pay over $500 upfront but exclude maintenance and most notably USFS-approved componentry) . Now, I didn't read anywhere that Fred requires frequent, periodic group hugs. Of coursee, I respect vendors' willingness to provide education, test results, features, etc., but unfortunately some people abuse the open mind and ears...which on another topic (check your email/spam) leaves many hoping for that 18-inch elephant wand and completely empty pockets. People have opinions and should feel free to voice them without insults or worry about being policed. I've read hilarious posts and banter from this group which honestly keeps me coming back. That and peoples' genuine desire to help enthusiasts in many ways. I've been insulted on this board many times but never take offense to it. Most of the time it's from unhappy people or those not strong enough or willing to accept we're all just little organisms scrutinized by nature and its laws. - Brian --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "nakedwaterskier" wrote: > > After Market Pipe talk with Personal insults is considered KLR. If the > insults are stand alone they are a no no even with a NKLR tag. > > I think the members should be able to vote as to what rating we want. > NC-17 or R. I personally vote for R. > > Jeffrey > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bradley Scheirer]

How many discs are you all running in the supertrapp? Mine still seems rich. How much should I turn the screw out? I think it has a stage 1 jet kit by dynojet Brad

----- Original Message ----- From: Doug To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe Hey folks, was reading about the "after market pipe" and thought I would give some thoughts I had after installing my Super Trapp. I always try not to upset the neighbors with loud noises coming from my cycles mufflers. So after installing it on my A13 I took it out for a test run and really noticed how much louder it was over the stock muffler. Didn't really seem to run any different. So, not to upset the old neighbors I have, I had my friend ride past me with it , up and down my road and see just how loud it really was. Well, it really wasn't that loud. I liked that. But what I really liked was that it had a nice sound. Back in the sixtys and seventys people would put "Cherry Bomb Mufflers" on their cars. Those mufflers always had a certain sound that you new what it was. And that's what it reminded me of. So I decided to leave it as is and enjoy it. If I had to replace it, it would be with another Super Trapp. The stock muffler is so much heavier it would not have gone back on for any reason. I don't know if it gets better gas millage or not because my A13 has always got great gas mileage anyway.I didn't do any rejetting with it. Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Wayne Blackburn]

Something that hasn't been mentioned is,That with one blip of the throttle one can get the attention of cager asleep at the wheel. It took me all of about 2 seconds when I started mine at the dealer, To say to myself , This p.o.s muffler has to go. Went right the parts counter and ordered a new one. And furthermore those of you who like the sound of stock muffler, I'll sell you mine with less than 100 miles on it for 500.00 bucks. I'll send it when the check clears the bank.

--- On Thu, 8/21/08, jokerloco9@... wrote: From: jokerloco9@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe To: edchait4@..., DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, judjonzz@... Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 1:58 AM I could do the same by going on a diet. I could lose 40 lbs. Forget messing with the muffler. Jeff A20 In a message dated 8/20/2008 10:46:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, edchait4@earthlink. net writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: Jud Jones To: _DSN_KLR650@ yahoogroDSN_ KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com) Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe --- In _DSN_KLR650@ yahoogroDSN_ KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com) , Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > > On 8/19/08 11:09 PM, "hardyreels" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do pipes like Supertraps really up your gas mileage and performance > > both? > > > No.......... My prediction: there will be a lot of different answers to this question. This is the one you can take to the bank. ooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo ooooooo What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight savings from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will increase your gas mileage and performance. ed A17 ************ **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information. travel.aol. com/deals? ncid=aoltrv00050 000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

Forwarding to list since Stu sent it direct... Sucks getting old hey.. I do that kinda crap all the time it seems. Dooden A15 Green Ape #%@$^@$% laptop keyboards stink

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > If'n you had her dyno'd before and after I think Stu has a $50 dollar > bill waiting. > > > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > Damn straight I do. All I need to see is 40.00 RWHP out of an otherwise bone stock KLR650 with just pipe and carb mods. Should have a "before" dyno run reflecting ~ 36HP, an "after" reflecting 40.000 HP or more takes the cashish. As always, pencil drawn charts not allowed. Thanks CA Stu A13 PS I've had that $50 up for grabs for about what, 8 or 9 years now? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, grbhfng wrote: > > Opinions are like A**holes, everyone has one, and they all stink. > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, boulder_adv_rider wrote: > > From: boulder_adv_rider > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 11:49 AM > > > > > > > Personally, I think the debate and banter is extremely healthy and > helpful. I don't feel insulted nor am trying to insult--rather have > some fun with the topic as we debate something we're passionate > about, have vested-interests in, etc. Again, if someone wants to > guide me to EXACTLY where the research shows "our tests proved we got > X-mpg improvement with this exhaust/setup, etc...under these > condition... ," I'd be happy to learn more and post less. The bottom- > line is no one can show me scientific proof mpg improved. Sorry, "I > made the change and my mpg went from 47 to 51" isn't acceptable proof > for me. HP output? Yes, you can increase jet sizes and even run NO2 > and give you some mind-numbing figures. But again the focus was on > increasing MPG to the point the buyer would recoup his expense from > better fuel economy. > > Looking at the pipes on the market (I don't know them all), but it > appears $400 with shipping and jets (figure your time, too) is a > reasonable expectation in upfront cost. But this isn't it. You have > to look at lifecycle cost which includes maintenance like repacking > baffles (time and materials) and performance (louder) as you approach > service limits. If you go with something like Big Gun (mechanical > baffles, you'll pay over $500 upfront but exclude maintenance and > most notably USFS-approved componentry) . > > Now, I didn't read anywhere that Fred requires frequent, periodic > group hugs. Of coursee, I respect vendors' willingness to provide > education, test results, features, etc., but unfortunately some > people abuse the open mind and ears...which on another topic (check > your email/spam) leaves many hoping for that 18-inch elephant wand > and completely empty pockets. > > People have opinions and should feel free to voice them without > insults or worry about being policed. I've read hilarious posts and > banter from this group which honestly keeps me coming back. That and > peoples' genuine desire to help enthusiasts in many ways. I've been > insulted on this board many times but never take offense to it. Most > of the time it's from unhappy people or those not strong enough or > willing to accept we're all just little organisms scrutinized by > nature and its laws. > > - Brian > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "nakedwaterskier" > wrote: > > > > After Market Pipe talk with Personal insults is considered KLR. If > the > > insults are stand alone they are a no no even with a NKLR tag. > > > > I think the members should be able to vote as to what rating we > want. > > NC-17 or R. I personally vote for R. > > > > Jeffrey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >