benny and the high altitude jets

[dooden]

If'n you had her dyno'd before and after I think Stu has a $50 dollar bill waiting. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "beyondthelimitsmoto" wrote:

> > > I have a 2007 klr 650-supertrap and jet kit and twin air filter--

bone

> stock my mileage was 49-51 as an average---with above mods it is 53- > 55 and more if I ride steady--I have hit 59 mpg before. But it > depends on alot of factors---BUT, weigh the stock exhaust to the > supertrap and look at the weight difference, it is alot, horsepower > to weight is a factor also. My 2 cents. Oh by the way, there is

also

> a performance boost. > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hardyreels" > wrote: > > > > Do pipes like Supertraps really up your gas mileage and

performance

> > both? > > > > I have not ever seriously considered spending $300 dollars on a > pipe > > and then a jet kit to boot. Last year when I did the math I would > have > > had to drive my bike 32,777 miles in order to recoup my > expenditure. > > Really! Now at $4.41.9 per gallon (I live in Wasilla AK.) I might > be > > able to recover my investment in my lifetime. > > > > So, if you have personal experience with pipes, jets, and all

that

> > please respond to me with a private message and let me know what > brand > > you use and any particulars that may help me out. > > > > Thanks > > >

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > > On 8/19/08 11:09 PM, "hardyreels" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do pipes like Supertraps really up your gas mileage and performance > > both? > > > No.......... My prediction: there will be a lot of different answers to this question. This is the one you can take to the bank. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight savings from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will increase your gas mileage and performance. ed A17

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I could do the same by going on a diet. I could lose 40 lbs. Forget messing with the muffler. Jeff A20 In a message dated 8/20/2008 10:46:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, edchait4@... writes:

----- Original Message ----- From: Jud Jones To: _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe --- In _DSN_KLR650@yahoogroDSN_KLR_ (mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) , Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > > On 8/19/08 11:09 PM, "hardyreels" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do pipes like Supertraps really up your gas mileage and performance > > both? > > > No.......... My prediction: there will be a lot of different answers to this question. This is the one you can take to the bank. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight savings from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will increase your gas mileage and performance. ed A17 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[boulder_adv_rider]

> What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight

savings

> from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will

increase

> your gas mileage and performance. > > ed > A17 >

Ed - Let me understand... What you're saying here is simply losing 5- lbs of weight (the difference in mufflers' weights) you'll improve mpge and output? Is this measureable? So what happens if some of our more 'robust' riders lose notably more than this with exercise and diet? Wow! This could be the best ever KLR no-mod...increase in power and mpg without spending $$$ or doing anything to the bike. Brilliant! What's next, fermented doughnuts powering KLRs?

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I believe there are numerous documented tests here regarding aftermarket pipes and the stock muffler, and the results are less than impressive. The overall opinion is don't waste your time and money on the KLR. Usually 2-4 hp increase down lower, and no change or a Decrease in top HP compared to stock muffler. No, that isn't a typo. Jeff A20 In a message dated 8/20/2008 11:03:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boulder_adv_rider@... writes:

> What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight

savings

> from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will

increase

> your gas mileage and performance. > > ed > A17 >

Ed - Let me understand..Ed - Let me understand... What you're sa lbs of weight (the difference in mufflers' weights) you'll improve mpge and output? Is this measureable? So what happens if some of our more 'robust' riders lose notably more than this with exercise and diet? Wow! This could be the best ever KLR no-mod...increase in power and mpg without spending $$$ or doing anything to the bike. Brilliant! What's next, fermented doughnuts powering KLRs? **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: boulder_adv_rider To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe > What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight savings > from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will increase > your gas mileage and performance. > > ed > A17 > Ed - Let me understand... What you're saying here is simply losing 5- lbs of weight (the difference in mufflers' weights) you'll improve mpge and output? Is this measureable? So what happens if some of our more 'robust' riders lose notably more than this with exercise and diet? Wow! This could be the best ever KLR no-mod...increase in power and mpg without spending $$$ or doing anything to the bike. Brilliant! What's next, fermented doughnuts powering KLRs? ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I can't remember exactly what the difference was between my Supertrapp and the stock boat anchor, but it was more than 5 pounds. As you mention, losing excess body weight is also going to have the same positive effect. Removing excess weight from the bike *and* rider is the ideal. Not so brilliant really, just physics. Have you ever weighed that heavy piece of crap that often starts sounding like a canary and at best sounds like a sewing machine? I didn't get an aftermarket pipe for either mileage or performance. I got one because I enjoy the sound of motorcycles and the Supertrapp doesn't sound obnoxiously loud, just nice. I won't make any excuses for that because I don't need to. BTW, whatever point it is you're trying to make is lost in your juvenile sarcasm. ed A17

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: jokerloco9@... To: edchait4@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; judjonzz@... Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe I could do the same by going on a diet. I could lose 40 lbs. Forget messing with the muffler. Jeff A20 oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Please report back as soon as you do with the improvements. ed, time for a cheeseburger A17

[boulder_adv_rider]

Ed, maybe get some rest and try not to wake up too grumpy tomorrow. If you like your pipe, there's no need to rationalize wasting $400 for it. Be happy. In fact, rev up that Super-Tramp and give'r a hug for us all. However, try not to disparage in such a curmudgeonous and geriatric tone a pipe that works quite well for a lot of us...

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Chait" wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: boulder_adv_rider > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:03 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe > > > > What you can take to the bank is that just by the significant weight > savings > > from getting rid of that stock boat anchor of an exhaust, you will > increase > > your gas mileage and performance. > > > > ed > > A17 > > > > Ed - Let me understand... What you're saying here is simply losing 5- > lbs of weight (the difference in mufflers' weights) you'll improve mpge > and output? Is this measureable? So what happens if some of our > more 'robust' riders lose notably more than this with exercise and > diet? Wow! This could be the best ever KLR no-mod...increase in power > and mpg without spending $$$ or doing anything to the bike. > Brilliant! What's next, fermented doughnuts powering KLRs? > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > > I can't remember exactly what the difference was between my Supertrapp and > the stock boat anchor, but it was more than 5 pounds. > > As you mention, losing excess body weight is also going to have the same > positive effect. > > Removing excess weight from the bike *and* rider is the ideal. > > Not so brilliant really, just physics. > > Have you ever weighed that heavy piece of crap that often starts sounding > like a canary and at best sounds like a sewing machine? > > I didn't get an aftermarket pipe for either mileage or performance. I got > one because I enjoy the sound of motorcycles and the Supertrapp doesn't > sound obnoxiously loud, just nice. > > I won't make any excuses for that because I don't need to. > > BTW, whatever point it is you're trying to make is lost in your juvenile > sarcasm. > > ed > A17 >

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "boulder_adv_rider" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: After Market Pipe Ed, maybe get some rest and try not to wake up too grumpy tomorrow. If you like your pipe, there's no need to rationalize wasting $400 for it. Be happy. In fact, rev up that Super-Tramp and give'r a hug for us all. However, try not to disparage in such a curmudgeonous and geriatric tone a pipe that works quite well for a lot of us... oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo It cost under $200, but I would feel no need to rationalize it if it cost $1000. I will, however, disparage that stock piece of crap because that's precisely what it is. Now, if it was lighter, didn't have a strong tendency to develop bird-like noises, and had any kind of a decent tone to it, I might agree with you. If you like it so much, my opinion shouldn't make you so defensive. I don't care what you think of my pipe or my choices, but when you pull stuff out of your ass like saying it cost $400, I will probably correct you because someone on the list might be considering getting one and you're misinforming them. ed A17

[smthng else]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:12 AM, wrote:

>Usually 2-4 hp > increase down lower, and no change or a Decrease in top HP compared to stock > muffler.

Most of the dyno results I've seen here and on klr650.net have an average of 3 HP gain throughout almost the entire powerband, with the exception of way up top. Of course, that assumes you're also setting up the jetting to match. While 3 HP doesn't sound like much, on most K's it's about 10% more power... that's enough to make a lot of folks smile a bit more. --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA 2005 Yamaha FJR1300ABS - "Blue Bayou" 2006 Jeep Unlimited Rubicon - "Teflon" 2008 Kawasaki KLR 650 - It's here, but it hasn't earned a name yet. http://smthng.info "If I'd known it was harmless, I would have killed it myself."