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[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2003-09-23 9:25:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, k.saltzer@... writes:

> > > Where exactly do you put the Motion Pro jack on the bike, to hold the > front up? > > MrMoose > A8 (Barbie and Ken special) > >

You put it under the front of the skid plate. I hook it into one of the holes on my HT skid plate. I carry tire irons, a patch kit, CO2 and the Quick Jak. If the soil is soft I find something flat - wood or rock - to put under the side stand and quick jak to keep them from sinking in. Carry tubes makes for faster repair times, but I enjoy taking my time and patching. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eric Mercer]

My friend, Russ (A6) and I (B2 but I was on a borrowed GS650 DAKAR) took a trip to the Truckee area of the Sierras last month to do a little dual sporting. Russ picked up a tiny finishing nail in his rear tire a few miles out on one of the fire trails. We pulled the nail out and he began to shoot some slime into the tube. After adding about 2 ounces of slime, the tube valve plugged up. We had already removed the core. We could not get any more slime or air into the tube. We even tried to remove whatever was blocking the valve with a small piece of wire but had no luck. Apparantly, something in the slime plugged the valve. I'v never heard of this happening but because of this I will not carry slime. I do not reccomend adding slime to a tube type tire before the flat because if you do pick up a nail, it will just keep digging in the tube until the slime won't hold and you will get a flat anyway. We removed the tube and found it had a small X cut into it by the nail and it looked like slime wouldn't have worked anyway. So in went the spare front tube. Russ decided to leave the front tube in his rear tire because he was planning to get a new tire in about 1000 miles. Last weekend we made another trip to the same area. This time I was on my B2. Russ was on his A6 with the same front tube in his rear tire. The tube started a slow leak after having been in about 800 miles. We were able to make it back to the cabin but the leak got progressively worse so Russ pulled the tube out and found three small leaks where the tube had been folded inside the tire. He patched the leaks and put that tube back into the rear tire. He then rode it another 250 miles before replacing it and the tire. Here's what I carry on my bike at all times and I've never been stranded yet. 1) Spare front tube. It will get you home and then some whether it's in the front or rear. 2) Bicycle pump strapped to the frame. Get one that is made to carry on a road or mountain bike. It takes about 3 to 4 hundred pumps to fill a tire but you never run out of air. I used to carry CO2 cartridges but you need a minimum of six and then they're only good for one shot. 3) Automotive type patch kit with various sized patches, glue, rasp, and a 2 inch boot. I've never had to use the boot yet. Thank God! Replace the patches and glue every couple years. 4) Two tire irons. Three are better but two will still work and are lighter. Eric Mercer Ukiah, CA B2 Tengai _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

[Zachariah Mully]

On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 12:22, Eric Mercer wrote:

> My friend, Russ (A6) and I (B2 but I was on a borrowed GS650 DAKAR) took a > trip to the Truckee area of the Sierras last month to do a little dual > sporting. Russ picked up a tiny finishing nail in his rear tire a few miles > out on one of the fire trails. We pulled the nail out and he began to shoot > some slime into the tube. After adding about 2 ounces of slime, the tube > valve plugged up. We had already removed the core. We could not get any more > slime or air into the tube. We even tried to remove whatever was blocking > the valve with a small piece of wire but had no luck. Apparantly, something > in the slime plugged the valve. I'v never heard of this happening but > because of this I will not carry slime.

This is a total non sequitur and disingenuous as well. First, you didn't use slime properly. You are supposed to put in your tubes BEFORE you get a flat, how do you think slime works? Also, I don't like Slime(tm), it's too fiberous... Try Linseal, Ride-on or Wal-mart ATV tire sealant. They're not as fiberous (or not fiberous at all), and I've not had any valve clogging problems as I did with the tubes I installed Slime(tm) into.

> I do not reccomend adding slime to a tube type tire before the flat because > if you do pick up a nail, it will just keep digging in the tube until the > slime won't hold and you will get a flat anyway.

How is this going to help you at 60mph? Ask Mark Van Horn about his experience with non-slimed tires.

> We removed the tube and found it had a small X cut into it by the nail and > it looked like slime wouldn't have worked anyway. So in went the spare front > tube.

Again, total non sequitur. You didn't install the slime correctly in the first place, so how is it possible that you know slime wouldn't have worked?

> Russ decided to leave the front tube in his rear tire because he was > planning to get a new tire in about 1000 miles.

I suppose one is responsible for one's own choices. He's lucky the tube didn't blow on the highway at 70mph. Truely I could care less about whether or not you or anyone else slimes their tires, but to advocate that people shouldn't and basing that on zero factual evidence irks me. Z

[bigfatgreenbike@netscape.net]

Zachariah Mully wrote:

>> I do not reccomend adding slime to a tube type tire before the flat because >> if you do pick up a nail, it will just keep digging in the tube until the >> slime won't hold and you will get a flat anyway. > >How is this going to help you at 60mph? Ask Mark Van Horn about his >experience with non-slimed tires. >

I had exactly this scenario happen to me with an IRC GP110. Got a sharp bit of 1/8" stainless steel wire jammed into the rear tire. The slime enabled me to ride over 20 miles without any idea what happened, until it finally, slowly, deflated. The tube had a 1" long tear in it by then. It was a big mess changing the tube, but by the time you get the chain off etc you're a mess anyway. But I was pretty thankful for the extra time to pick my spot to pull over. I'm not using slime at the moment. With 4mm thick inner tubes a puncture or blowout isn't likely, and with dual rim locks the tire isn't coming off the rim no matter what.

> >> Russ decided to leave the front tube in his rear tire because he was >> planning to get a new tire in about 1000 miles. > >I suppose one is responsible for one's own choices. He's lucky the tube >didn't blow on the highway at 70mph. >

Yes, this isn't smart at all. You might expect the front tube to go a hundred miles or so, but counting on it going 1000mi is not smart. Either way, make sure you air it WAY up.

>Truely I could care less about whether or not you or anyone else slimes >their tires, but to advocate that people shouldn't and basing that on >zero factual evidence irks me. >

Well, I'm certainly less likely to take advice from someone who thinks it's OK to run a 21" tube in their rear wheel for 1000mi. Hint: change the tube now, at home in the garage with a compressor and cold beer on hand. Beats changing it roadside.

>Z DC

= recipe for insanity. How many days do you ride to work, and arrive feeling that you are the only person in town smarter than a doorknob? It's a warning sign for an anger management problem. Devon -- Brooklyn '01 A15-Z KLR650 '81 SR500 __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

[Jim The Canoeist]

Here in the desert, slime is the difference between riding home or trying to patch. Every so often when I break down a motorcycle or bicycle tire, I see dozens of green dots all over the tube where cactus has penetrated but not caused a flat. If you get a slime jam when putting it in (at home, ahead of time, not after the tire goes flat) a wire might not do it. How about an allen wrench that is just small enough to slide into the valvless stem and big enough and strong enough to push a wad of green gook & fibers into the tube? It's a good idea to clean slime from inside the stem before screwing in the valve. (It has moving parts that can get jammed.) -Jim Walsh in AZ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Mercer" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Emergency Tire Repair > My friend, Russ (A6) and I (B2 but I was on a borrowed GS650 DAKAR) took a > trip to the Truckee area of the Sierras last month to do a little dual > sporting. Russ picked up a tiny finishing nail in his rear tire a few miles > out on one of the fire trails. We pulled the nail out and he began to shoot > some slime into the tube. After adding about 2 ounces of slime, the tube > valve plugged up. We had already removed the core. We could not get any more > slime or air into the tube. We even tried to remove whatever was blocking > the valve with a small piece of wire but had no luck. Apparantly, something > in the slime plugged the valve. I'v never heard of this happening but > because of this I will not carry slime. > > I do not reccomend adding slime to a tube type tire before the flat because > if you do pick up a nail, it will just keep digging in the tube until the > slime won't hold and you will get a flat anyway. > > We removed the tube and found it had a small X cut into it by the nail and > it looked like slime wouldn't have worked anyway. So in went the spare front > tube. > > Russ decided to leave the front tube in his rear tire because he was > planning to get a new tire in about 1000 miles. > > Last weekend we made another trip to the same area. This time I was on my > B2. Russ was on his A6 with the same front tube in his rear tire. The tube > started a slow leak after having been in about 800 miles. We were able to > make it back to the cabin but the leak got progressively worse so Russ > pulled the tube out and found three small leaks where the tube had been > folded inside the tire. He patched the leaks and put that tube back into the > rear tire. He then rode it another 250 miles before replacing it and the > tire. > > Here's what I carry on my bike at all times and I've never been stranded > yet. > > 1) Spare front tube. It will get you home and then some whether it's in the > front or rear. > > 2) Bicycle pump strapped to the frame. Get one that is made to carry on a > road or mountain bike. It takes about 3 to 4 hundred pumps to fill a tire > but you never run out of air. I used to carry CO2 cartridges but you need a > minimum of six and then they're only good for one shot. > > 3) Automotive type patch kit with various sized patches, glue, rasp, and a 2 > inch boot. I've never had to use the boot yet. Thank God! Replace the > patches and glue every couple years. > > 4) Two tire irons. Three are better but two will still work and are lighter. > > Eric Mercer > Ukiah, CA > B2 Tengai > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage > today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[rm@richardmay.net]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Jim The Canoeist wrote:

>Here in the desert, slime is the difference between riding home or trying >to patch. Every so often when I break down a motorcycle or bicycle tire, >I see dozens of green dots all over the tube where cactus has penetrated >but not caused a flat.

Slime made day one of the 2001 LA B2V a success. Changing out my rear tube would've sucked, since I was already in the back riding with the sweeps. I kept riding with that thorn stuck in the tube for several months. It finally went flat when the 8oz of Slime had all leaked out. RM

[Zachariah Mully]

On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 14:35, bigfatgreenbike@... wrote:

> >Z >DC > = recipe for insanity. How many days do you ride to work, and arrive > feeling that you are the only person in town smarter than a doorknob? > It's a warning sign for an anger management problem. > > Devon

Felt that way after yesterday's bicycle ride into work (which I do all year long and have been doing for the past 3 years). Riding past the DC court houses, in the middle of the lane as there are tons of double and triple parked cars everywhere and I don't like riding too close to them. This stretch of street is only about 200 yards between stop lights. Asshole in the Exploder behind me decides that he absolutely *has* to get up to the red light *NOW*. So he starts honking his horn and races between me and a parked car. I promptly give him the finger and a good ole "f*** you!" as he passes. He pulls up to the red light ahead of me and gets out of his Exploder to yell at me. I stop yell at him, and this continues for a minute until a cop pulls up and asks us to cool it. What a miserable way to start off the day. Z DC A5X A12X

[Chris]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:50:32PM -0400, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> I promptly give him the finger and a good ole "f*** you!" as he passes. > He pulls up to the red light ahead of me and gets out of his Exploder to > yell at me.

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[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 1:33 PM -0400 9/24/03, Zachariah Mully wrote:

>How is this going to help you at 60mph? Ask Mark Van Horn about his >experience with non-slimed tires.

LOL... try 75mph. Ouch. Mark

[bigfatgreenbike@netscape.net]

Chris wrote:

>On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:50:32PM -0400, Zachariah Mully wrote: >> I promptly give him the finger and a good ole "f*** you!" as he passes. >> He pulls up to the red light ahead of me and gets out of his Exploder to >> yell at me. > >Icon TiMax gloves. >

Enduro Engineering hand guards. They came out ahead when they met asphalt, I can only imagine what they'd do to flesh and bone. Devon -- Brooklyn '01 A15-Z KLR650 '81 SR500 __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455