nklr: klr supertech?

[ocpianoman]

Tell you what, that video had me keeping a larger buffer zone around me today when I was out riding around. You have to ride like you're invisible but I still have some extra lights on my bikes anyway. No one has mentioned that the trucker who ended the poor biker's life so violently has got to be guilty of something, possibly vehicular manslaughter. He barreled right over the guy without reacting until it was way too late. Never swerved, and was traveling much faster than the bike. Even if the guy was in a car it would have been bad and it was the trucker's fault all along.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, a14@... wrote: > > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... > > http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> >

[Peter Six]

How do we know this video is authentic and not doctored up by someone that is real handy with video software? Just curious because there is quit a bit of sensational BS floating around on the web? Peter

On 1/28/08 1:34 AM, "ocpianoman" wrote: > > > > > Tell you what, that video had me keeping a larger buffer zone around > me today when I was out riding around. You have to ride like you're > invisible but I still have some extra lights on my bikes anyway. No > one has mentioned that the trucker who ended the poor biker's life so > violently has got to be guilty of something, possibly vehicular > manslaughter. He barreled right over the guy without reacting until it > was way too late. Never swerved, and was traveling much faster than > the bike. Even if the guy was in a car it would have been bad and it > was the trucker's fault all along. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , > a14@... wrote: >> > >> > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy >> > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... >> > >> > http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Six" To: "ocpianoman" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Watch Your Back NKLR > How do we know this video is authentic and not doctored up by someone that > is real handy with video software? Just curious because there is quit a > bit > of sensational BS floating around on the web? > > Peter > Does it matter if it's real or not? Do you think this scenario has never occurred even if the video is fake, which I believe is not the case. I did not enjoy watching that video at all, but I did learn something from it. Whether it's fake or not is completely unimportant. Most of what you can imagine (unless you write science fiction) has already happened. ed A17

[Crazy canuck]

I know I posted this before but here's another reason why you can never be too aware of your surroundings. This rider had no gear or helmet but HAD the green light. He was on the deck two seconds before the light changed to green for the car driver. I bookmarked it to remind myself that merges, yields, lights and intersections are scary places! We choose to ride for the love of it and accept the inherent dangers, but we can minimize them with skill and prudence. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dc9_1183105107 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dan Taylor]

>>No one has mentioned that the trucker who ended the poor biker's life so >>violently has got to be guilty of something, possibly vehicular >>manslaughter. He barreled right over the guy without reacting until it >>was way too late. Never swerved, and was traveling much faster than >>the bike. Even if the guy was in a car it would have been bad and it >>was the trucker's fault all along.

Of course it will often be the other driver's fault. Or they may be partially at fault. But does mentioning that help us to survive in traffic? When you assume that they can't see you, it goes without saying that it's their fault when they violate your right of way. Surviving in traffic means taking precautions to make yourself more visible, and taking actions to counteract the inattention of other drivers. We have to be the vigilant/cautious ones because we have a lot more at stake in case of any type of crash. One precaution that i take is that if i'm getting near the reserve fuel before heading to the gas station, i'll put the valve on reserve, especially if there's some freeway or faced-paced traffic involved. This seems safer than trying to flip the reserve valve on the fly (assuming that you get some warning--sometimes the bike cuts out quickly). If the bike stalls, your at the mercy of those behind you. I really like the idea of flashing lights on the helmet that can be quickly activated without taking your hands off of the controls (why hasn't someone made a lot of money on these already?!) It may not have helped this guy on the scooter, but it would help the vast majority of accidents that happen from the front, as you approach an intersection: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/ncsa/TSF2004/809908.pdf Dan '05KLR650, '90R100GS --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, a14@... wrote:

> > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... > > < http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335>

http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335>

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[Ian Francisco]

We don't. It doesn't matter if it's real or not, what matters is that it could be real and that everyone needs to ride safe. It would take someone who is Extremely Handy with with video- ware to come up with something this authentic looking, plus the perspective and (lack of) quality makes it seem like it came from a webcam. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Six To: ocpianoman ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:59:57 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Watch Your Back NKLR Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Watch Your Back NKLR How do we know this video is authentic and not doctored up by someone that is real handy with video software? Just curious because there is quit a bit of sensational BS floating around on the web? Peter

On 1/28/08 1:34 AM, "ocpianoman" wrote: Tell you what, that video had me keeping a larger buffer zone around me today when I was out riding around. You have to ride like you're invisible but I still have some extra lights on my bikes anyway. No one has mentioned that the trucker who ended the poor biker's life so violently has got to be guilty of something, possibly vehicular manslaughter. He barreled right over the guy without reacting until it was way too late. Never swerved, and was traveling much faster than the bike. Even if the guy was in a car it would have been bad and it was the trucker's fault all along. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , a14@... wrote: > > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... > > http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gary LaRue]

----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Taylor < Surviving in traffic means taking precautions to make yourself more visible, and taking actions to counteract the inattention of other drivers. We have to be the vigilant/cautious ones because we have a lot more at stake in case of any type of crash. Of course, that visibility is crucial. Having said that, I agree with a book I read recently. The author observed that if a driver saw a biker coming but thought they could make the left turn before the rider got there - but they were wrong - they would probably say "gee ossifer, I didn't see him!" After all, what is the alternative? "Yeah, I saw him, but I thought I could beat him through, but I was wrong." Yah... riiight! No one with three brain cells firing at one time would ever say that being visible was not essential, but I think that it isn't the panacea to solve the problem. I recently introduced my work partner to riding. I was right behind him in a car the second time he threw a leg over his bike. Sally Soccermom, sitting across the intersection at a stop sign in her SUV waited until he started his left turn in front of her, then she took off straight ahead despite her flashing left turn signal. 'Course, her yattering on a cell phone in her hand may have had something to do with it. Mr. Newbie tightened his curve enough that she missed him when she slammed on her brakes. This was not a visibility issue, but a attention issue. What do you think she would have said to the cop if she had taken him down? Yeah, you got it! Then he would have been another statistic for the safetycrats to use to push the "We've gotta make motorcycles more visible" agenda. I remember when motorcycles had switches that shut the headlight OFF. Am I saying don't worry about visibility? HELL no! I like riding with my headlight on. I wear bright cloths as much as I can. Besides that, I wear a full face helmet even though my state (New Mexico) doesn't require any at all. If there is a way to add a few percentage points to my survivability factor, I want it. Let us not become too focused on one thing. Dan also mentioned "other techniques" that he uses. Let's follow his example. By the way, what are some of those other techniques? When faced with a driver looking like they might invade my right of way, I like to swerve back and forth just slightly. I think it catches their eye better. Others? Lash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[thewildmanrides650]

I could'nt watch the vidio because i have dial up,sounds like that was a good thing like missing a horror movie.no nightmares for me. I almost killed one of my classmates on his bike.I was pulling out of my driveway,the 4 lane highway and the county road ran paralell side by side.All of the headlights seemed to blend togeather,missed him by inches.so i guess you can never be too alert expecailly after dark.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jim Douglas wrote:

> > Interesting, towards the last of 2007 I attempted to have

manufactured

> a device that would 'stick to your helmet and indicate to others > your presence, slowing down, it would flash, etc, there are never > too many lights but the idea was to the lights UP HIGHER on the

riders

> head. It would be motion detected, turn head to right and the right > side of the BRIGHT LED would flash, left same, I also thought of a > "NO NO" or better yet "FUC$ NO" mode when you would shake your head > left and right quickly and the entire LED strip would flash like

crazy

> to warn drivers. The LED string would run across the middle of the > back of the helmet and possible across the lower front? > > The idea has already been patented, and never created, and > found that the $$$ to find the purchase the product was more that > I wanted to spend. I am still looking at building one for myself >

Jim, I think the tecknowlegeee is right there in the children's shoe dept. If you check out the snow boots or walking shoes that have a motion based LED light in them, why wouldn't that work as a 'strip' light on a motorcycle helmet? Some are not very sensitive to motion and require the child stomp their foot, others are very sensitive to motion and go 'flash-bonkers' when they are disturbed. A sensitive one might be an interesting mod, although DOT might have a different view of its usefulness. revmaaatin. just musing.

[Gary LaRue]

< Is it time for a KLR school, a KLR SuperTech event? The KLR isn't going away. Just some blue-sky thinking. Damned good idea! Can you talk to the organizers while you are there to find out what is needed? Perhaps write to them? Lash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]