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[Dan Taylor]

That video was awful to watch. What can we learn from it besides giving up riding? It looked like the scooter was slowing down before making a lane change, and the truck driver didn't see him. If you ride in traffic, wear Hi-Viz orange or yellow and have the flashing LED brake light. There's no guarantees, but does anyone have any other ideas to make yourself more visible? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, a14@... wrote:

> > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... > > < http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335>

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[Ronald Criswell]

Try and stay away from traffic or getting boxed and don't ride too slow. You will get run over if you ride too slow and careful. I really don't think it matters much what you wear as far as being seen. One thing I like about Harley's is all the lights they put on them. If you don't see them you are blind .... but speaking of that, a lot of drivers are almost blind and they just are not looking for something as small as you. I have had drivers looking straight into my eyes still pull out and get hit by me (even though I was in a car). It is a dangerous world out there on the road for a variety of reasons: fatigue, stressed out, drunk, over medicated, and young, dumb and stupid or too old, too blind, and too dumb. And unless it is a big scooter, I would not be on one in traffic. I survived my Vespa years as a kid .... somehow. There is a God. Criswell

On Jan 26, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Dan Taylor wrote: > That video was awful to watch. What can we learn from it besides > giving up > riding? > It looked like the scooter was slowing down before making a lane > change, and > the truck driver didn't see him. If you ride in traffic, wear Hi- > Viz orange > or yellow and have the flashing LED brake light. There's no > guarantees, but > does anyone have any other ideas to make yourself more visible? > > > --- In > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, > a14@... wrote: > > > > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy > > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... > > > > < http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> > http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mikeypep]

High visibility is best. I like lights. Lots of lights. I have a flashing brake, and and a flashing LED brake light mounted above the stocker on my trunk. Plus I'm looking for more LED's for the rear at the Cycle show. One more bit of acvice is to stop to the left of center to give the late braking cager an out. True it can propell you into the opposite lane, but you have to make a choice somewhere. -- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Taylor" wrote:

> > That video was awful to watch. What can we learn from it besides

giving up

> riding? > It looked like the scooter was slowing down before making a lane

change, and

> the truck driver didn't see him. If you ride in traffic, wear Hi-

Viz orange

> or yellow and have the flashing LED brake light. There's no

guarantees, but

> does anyone have any other ideas to make yourself more visible? > > > --- In

DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com,

> a14@ wrote: > > > > This is a rather intense piece of video footage. Guy > > on a cycle turns into a smear in the street...... > > > > < http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> > http://share.youthwant.com.tw/sh.php?id=23003335> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "clutz003" wrote:

> > Didn't really need to see that............

Eep! Agree. Besides, I always watch my back and assume the moron behind me is trying to hit me. -E A16 Santa Clara, CA

[Jim Douglas]

mikeypep wrote:

> > Lesson here; pay attention to what's behind you as well as whats out in > front! My deepest sympathies to those close to the rider. >

Usually I say I dont give a shit what is behind me that much, more of what can happen in front of me, but now maybe I will be a little more aware of things behind me, although the BFT was quite close and I would of simply gotten the f out of his way!

[Jim Douglas]

Gary LaRue wrote:

> > Well said. Every time I've had any conversation RE bike safety, I > always share this rule. > > Rule #1: You're invisible. > > That mindset kept me alive with only one minor fender bender during 15 > years or so of riding in the San Francisco bay area in any and all > kinds of weather. My son has ridden around Bowling Green, KY for a > number of years with only one mishap. I'm training my new wife now in > the same mindset, and we both took the MSF course. These things will > keep you alive. > > Lash >

Another good rule could be #2 Never, never, never let anyone get next to you in any direction where you don't have a clear scape route, defensive driving around 1978 in a far off country taught us that! Slow down, speed up, change lane or STOP!

[Jim Douglas]

mikeypep wrote:

> > High visibility is best. I like lights. Lots of lights. I have a > flashing brake, and and a flashing LED brake light mounted above the > stocker on my trunk. Plus I'm looking for more LED's for the rear at > the Cycle show. One more bit of acvice is to stop to the left of > center to give the late braking cager an out. True it can propell you > into the opposite lane, but you have to make a choice somewhere. > > - >

Interesting, towards the last of 2007 I attempted to have manufactured a device that would 'stick to your helmet and indicate to others your presence, slowing down, it would flash, etc, there are never too many lights but the idea was to the lights UP HIGHER on the riders head. It would be motion detected, turn head to right and the right side of the BRIGHT LED would flash, left same, I also thought of a "NO NO" or better yet "FUC$ NO" mode when you would shake your head left and right quickly and the entire LED strip would flash like crazy to warn drivers. The LED string would run across the middle of the back of the helmet and possible across the lower front? The idea has already been patented, and never created, and found that the $$$ to find the purchase the product was more that I wanted to spend. I am still looking at building one for myself

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote:

> tough call. ATGAT is more than just what you wear, its really a > mindset. I could go on for pages with little hints to make for a > safer ride, but that would be like preaching.

When I walk out of the office and start putting on my gear, my co-workers are often surprised to come out five minutes later and still find me in the parking lot. The ritual of putting on the gear is not just a case of putting on the gear, however. It is also a ritual of getting myself into the right mindset, and I will fiddle and adjust my gear, toe the chain with my boot, etc., until the correct mindset is there. As you point out, the most important gear when riding is between your ears. The other gear is almost unnecessary if you use that gear between your ears properly and avoid accidents before they can happen. As for this particular accident, the rider slowed down and started moving towards the other lane at the same time. The truck assumed he was changing lanes, not slowing down, and thus the truck did not bother slowing down because the truck was assuming that the motorcycle would be in the other lane by the time the truck reached the motorcycle. But for some reason the motorcyclist hesitated in his lane change. The laws of physics took over at that point, it was too late for the truck to slow down when the motorcyclist aborted his lane change. The lesson is that if you are going to change lanes, change lanes. Don't combine it with another action unless that other action is to speed up to put more distance between you and the car behind you.

[LD]

Snip...Posted by: "John thomas" OMG How could you even post that? If my wife ever saw that She would burn my bikes.! Seriously I almost hurled! Seems to me you were clearly warned about the content of the video. Why'd you watch it then? Personally, I'll take it as an unforgettable safety lesson and thanks to A14 for posting. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

Seems to me that we need to be periodically reminded just how dangerous riding bikes can be. Or driving cars. Or flying airplanes... Familiarity breeds contempt. Jeff A20 In a message dated 1/27/2008 7:21:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, loudicks@... writes: Snip...Posted by: "John thomas" OMG How could you even post that? If my wife ever saw that She would burn my bikes.! Seriously I almost hurled! Seems to me you were clearly warned about the content of the video. Why'd you watch it then? Personally, I'll take it as an unforgettable safety lesson and thanks to A14 for posting. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]