survival of the fittest

[Mike Peplinski]

I'm looking at some real nice riding boots. They are mainly work boots but have nice ankle protection and comfort. They're steel toe boots. Of course there is the safety factor, which is a definite plus. But then there is always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by the steel toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs the unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking comments.

[Don S]

Hi Mike. If the pressure on the toe is sufficient to crush the steel toe of the boot. Imagine what your toes would look like without the steel toe. They'd be lost regardless. The upside of steel to boot is that you won't stub your toe and will have added protection if you do drop a heavy object on your foot. The downside is the added bulk and weight and limited walking comfort. I personally wear a good quality hiking boot (Vasque). I've had them for twenty years and I bet they have at least 7000 miles on them. They're light, water resistant and very comfortable. They are padded and also offer some protection from stone strikes on gravel roads. Check out some hiking boots to see if they may be a better choice. Don Mike Peplinski wrote: I'm looking at some real nice riding boots. They are mainly work boots but have nice ankle protection and comfort. They're steel toe boots. Of course there is the safety factor, which is a definite plus. But then there is always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by the steel toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs the unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking comments. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Shawn]

One other thing to consider - cold weather riding. A steel toe turns into an ice-cube.

On 9/23/06, Don S wrote: > Hi Mike. > > If the pressure on the toe is sufficient to crush the steel toe of the boot. Imagine what your toes would look like without the steel toe. They'd be lost regardless. The upside of steel to boot is that you won't stub your toe and will have added protection if you do drop a heavy object on your foot. The downside is the added bulk and weight and limited walking comfort. I personally wear a good quality hiking boot (Vasque). I've had them for twenty years and I bet they have at least 7000 miles on them. They're light, water resistant and very comfortable. They are padded and also offer some protection from stone strikes on gravel roads. Check out some hiking boots to see if they may be a better choice. > > Don > > Mike Peplinski wrote: > I'm looking at some real nice riding boots. They are mainly work boots but > have nice ankle protection and comfort. They're steel toe boots. Of course > there is the safety factor, which is a definite plus. But then there is > always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by the steel > toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs the > unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking comments. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 /min. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Cheers, Shawn 2006 XB12X Uly 1997 KLR Portland, OR "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Blake Sobiloff]

On 9/23/06, Mike Peplinski wrote:

> But then there is > always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by the steel > toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs the > unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking comments.

MythBusters did a show on this a while ago and declared it busted--the pressure necessary to compress the steel toe was enough that your toes would be jelly without the steel toe, and the steel toe they tested always sprung back to close to its original shape once the pressure was removed. (FWIW) -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA)

[Michael Silverstein]

But it is a very effective wind blocker. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:22 AM To: Don S Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Steel Toe Boots One other thing to consider - cold weather riding. A steel toe turns into an ice-cube. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 9/21/2006

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" wrote:

> > I'm looking at some real nice riding boots. They are mainly work boots but > have nice ankle protection and comfort. They're steel toe boots. Of course > there is the safety factor, which is a definite plus. But then there is > always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by the steel > toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs the > unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking comments. >

Steel caps hurt my toes.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" wrote:

> > I'm looking at some real nice riding boots. They are mainly work

boots but

> have nice ankle protection and comfort. They're steel toe boots.

Of course

> there is the safety factor, which is a definite plus. But then

there is

> always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by

the steel

> toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs

the

> unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking

comments.

>

Hi Mike, The fellow telling the story, "toes crushed by the steel toe cap" is kidding right? Similiar to the Naval Aviation story of why you don't polish flight boots, because "shoe polish burns in a fire". If you are close enough, long enough for your shoe polish to burn, you got other problems. Likewise, if you get your toe in something that will crush steel toed boots, you got bigger problems than a pair of steel toed boots will cure for a crushing injury. revmaaatin. waiting for a 911 call, sitting here in my polished, Naval Avaition steel-toed flight boots

[Donald Dickerson]

Mike, They used to teach, MANY years ago, that in fast desert riding and likewise in rocky areas, that steel toed boots can, if struck on a rock or sometimes between bike and rocks in an accident, can wind up clamped on your toes. But if you aren't a desert racer this may not be an issue. Don --- Mike Peplinski wrote:

> I'm looking at some real nice riding boots. They are mainly work > boots but > have nice ankle protection and comfort. They're steel toe boots. Of > course > there is the safety factor, which is a definite plus. But then there > is > always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by the > steel > toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs the > unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm seeking > comments. > > >

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[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Sobiloff" wrote:

> > On 9/23/06, Mike Peplinski wrote: > > But then there is > > always the "I knew a guy who lost his toes from being crushed by

the steel

> > toe cap" story. Personally, I think the safety factor outweighs

the

> > unlikelihood of getting the toes actually crushed but I'm

seeking comments.

> > MythBusters did a show on this a while ago and declared it busted--

the

> pressure necessary to compress the steel toe was enough that your

toes

> would be jelly without the steel toe, and the steel toe they tested > always sprung back to close to its original shape once the pressure > was removed. (FWIW) > -- > Blake Sobiloff > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> > San Jose, CA (USA)

Blake, There you go again, refuting myth and speculation with facts. revmaaatin.

[Andrus Chesley]

I've working in Oil field relate work for many years. Worn steel toes boots much both on and off bikes. If something crushes your toes with the steel toe, just think of what they would be like without the protection. Plus you can kick dogs and it don't hurt so much..... As mention, Myth Busters did a segment on them. Amazing what it took to crush them. The only thing I found about steel toes and motorcycles is the sometimes interferrence in shifting. You have to get use to it. Easier to shift the KLR than the BMW. Andy > 100 miles south of the Louisiana coast wearing steel toes everyday out here.