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[Les Heitman]

I am a newcomer to the group and this may have gone around at some point and if so i just ask you bear with me... I noticed on the photo album page Elcanaco had pics posted of an apparent homebrew adjustable length kickstand. This comes after I had been sitting at mine all afternoon wishing I had machine tools or welding ability to do something with mine... The one in the photo page is setup I think to work if the bike is lowered. My dilemna is jsut the opposite. I have lowered seat height (modified stock seat) and am about 6'3" so to fit my comfort level, I have used a 1" raising link in the rear and retuned the preload in the front to sit the bike about an inco over what it was stock. This just aggrivated the already frustrating issue of a nearly too short kickstand. Barely long enough when stock, now will stand on level ground but any bumping or unlevel ground and the bike will tip. This kickstand would be a perfect solution short of building just a 2" longer than stock kickstand. I have the resources to do neither or have I read anywhere about anyone else having taken issue with a short kickstand. Neither have I seen substitutions posted or aftermarket adjustable or longer length kickstands. Is the one in the pictures something made for sale or would you be interested in making either an adjustible one that would extend 2" above stock or a new kickstand that is 2" longer than stock? If they are for sale somewhere, please refer me to the site. Thanks and ride safe... HbL

[rustygreasy]

Les, 1/2" galvanized pipe will slide into the inside diameter of the kickstand if you were to cut it in two. I would cut it in half then insert a length of pipe that would fit the full length of the interior plus the added length that you need. Then get two 1/8" roll pins, drill a hole in each section of tube with the pipe inserted and drive in the roll pins. I did that to mine to lower it by cutting a section of the kickstand tube out then inserting the pipe with roll pins and it works great. Steve A-16 "DuraThump"

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Les Heitman" wrote: > > I am a newcomer to the group and this may have gone around at some > point and if so i just ask you bear with me... > > I noticed on the photo album page Elcanaco had pics posted of an > apparent homebrew adjustable length kickstand. This comes after I had > been sitting at mine all afternoon wishing I had machine tools or > welding ability to do something with mine... The one in the photo page > is setup I think to work if the bike is lowered. My dilemna is jsut > the opposite. I have lowered seat height (modified stock seat) and am > about 6'3" so to fit my comfort level, I have used a 1" raising link > in the rear and retuned the preload in the front to sit the bike about > an inco over what it was stock. This just aggrivated the already > frustrating issue of a nearly too short kickstand. Barely long enough > when stock, now will stand on level ground but any bumping or unlevel > ground and the bike will tip. > > This kickstand would be a perfect solution short of building just a 2" > longer than stock kickstand. I have the resources to do neither or > have I read anywhere about anyone else having taken issue with a short > kickstand. Neither have I seen substitutions posted or aftermarket > adjustable or longer length kickstands. > > Is the one in the pictures something made for sale or would you be > interested in making either an adjustible one that would extend 2" > above stock or a new kickstand that is 2" longer than stock? > > If they are for sale somewhere, please refer me to the site. > > Thanks and ride safe... > > HbL >

[gmay131313]

Something I'm a little curious about, I've seen several posts about the side stand being too short. I wonder if there is a quality control problem with the way the mounting tab is welded to the side stand so some are welded at slightly angles or is the bracket on the frame are mounted at a slightly different angle or perhaps there is some bending of the assembly with use. I ask this because my 05 sits to close to vertical in some cases. I have to pick my spots when parking, for example the main street in the town I live by is one-wqy so you can park on both sides, because like most strets it has a slight crown so water will run to the curbs and down the storm drains if I have to go there I usually park on the left side of the road so the bike will lean on it's stand, if I park on the right it sits very close to vertical, not to the point of being in danger of falling over but close enough that it wouldn't take much of a nudge to tip it. The suspension on my bike it all stock and the problem isn't sag, if I pull up in the seat and bars to top out the suspension it still has no excessive amount of lean. I always assumed that it sat this vertical to try to limit the amount of weight on the side stand when parked off road where the stand could sink in allowing the bike to tip, my KDX also had this vertical stance when on the side stand. I can see needing the side stand extension on a bike with modified links but in the case of my KLR I bet a 1" raise would be ideal to make my bike as far as angle on the side stand goes....One more day till vacation...enjoy the day all..Greg --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Les Heitman" wrote:

> > I am a newcomer to the group and this may have gone around at some > point and if so i just ask you bear with me... > > I noticed on the photo album page Elcanaco had pics posted of an > apparent homebrew adjustable length kickstand. This comes after I

had

> been sitting at mine all afternoon wishing I had machine tools or > welding ability to do something with mine... The one in the photo

page

> is setup I think to work if the bike is lowered. My dilemna is jsut > the opposite. I have lowered seat height (modified stock seat) and

am

> about 6'3" so to fit my comfort level, I have used a 1" raising link > in the rear and retuned the preload in the front to sit the bike

about

> an inco over what it was stock. This just aggrivated the already > frustrating issue of a nearly too short kickstand. Barely long

enough

> when stock, now will stand on level ground but any bumping or

unlevel

> ground and the bike will tip. > > This kickstand would be a perfect solution short of building just a

2"

> longer than stock kickstand. I have the resources to do neither or > have I read anywhere about anyone else having taken issue with a

short

> kickstand. Neither have I seen substitutions posted or aftermarket > adjustable or longer length kickstands. > > Is the one in the pictures something made for sale or would you be > interested in making either an adjustible one that would extend 2" > above stock or a new kickstand that is 2" longer than stock? > > If they are for sale somewhere, please refer me to the site. > > Thanks and ride safe... > > HbL >

[Arden Kysely]

My experience with several bikes is that the kickstand and/or the kickstand mount on the frame gradually relax with age, causing the bike to lean over farther. When I sold my A1 in 1998 it was a pretty serious leaner; my A11 is a moderate leaner and I put a 2x4 under the stand to make a little more room in my garage. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gmay131313" wrote:

> > Something I'm a little curious about, I've seen several posts

about

> the side stand being too short. I wonder if there is a quality > control problem with the way the mounting tab is welded to the side > stand so some are welded at slightly angles or is the bracket on

the

> frame are mounted at a slightly different angle or perhaps there is > some bending of the assembly with use. I ask this because my 05

sits

> to close to vertical in some cases. I have to pick my spots when > parking, for example the main street in the town I live by is one-

wqy

> so you can park on both sides, because like most strets it has a > slight crown so water will run to the curbs and down the storm

drains

> if I have to go there I usually park on the left side of the road

so

> the bike will lean on it's stand, if I park on the right it sits

very

> close to vertical, not to the point of being in danger of falling > over but close enough that it wouldn't take much of a nudge to tip > it. > The suspension on my bike it all stock and the problem isn't sag, > if I pull up in the seat and bars to top out the suspension it

still

> has no excessive amount of lean. I always assumed that it sat this > vertical to try to limit the amount of weight on the side stand

when

> parked off road where the stand could sink in allowing the bike to > tip, my KDX also had this vertical stance when on the side stand. > I can see needing the side stand extension on a bike with

modified

> links but in the case of my KLR I bet a 1" raise would be ideal to > make my bike as far as angle on the side stand goes....One more day > till vacation...enjoy the day all..Greg > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Les Heitman" > wrote: > > > > I am a newcomer to the group and this may have gone around at some > > point and if so i just ask you bear with me... > > > > I noticed on the photo album page Elcanaco had pics posted of an > > apparent homebrew adjustable length kickstand. This comes after I > had > > been sitting at mine all afternoon wishing I had machine tools or > > welding ability to do something with mine... The one in the photo > page > > is setup I think to work if the bike is lowered. My dilemna is

jsut

> > the opposite. I have lowered seat height (modified stock seat)

and

> am > > about 6'3" so to fit my comfort level, I have used a 1" raising

link

> > in the rear and retuned the preload in the front to sit the bike > about > > an inco over what it was stock. This just aggrivated the already > > frustrating issue of a nearly too short kickstand. Barely long > enough > > when stock, now will stand on level ground but any bumping or > unlevel > > ground and the bike will tip. > > > > This kickstand would be a perfect solution short of building just

a

> 2" > > longer than stock kickstand. I have the resources to do neither or > > have I read anywhere about anyone else having taken issue with a > short > > kickstand. Neither have I seen substitutions posted or aftermarket > > adjustable or longer length kickstands. > > > > Is the one in the pictures something made for sale or would you be > > interested in making either an adjustible one that would extend 2" > > above stock or a new kickstand that is 2" longer than stock? > > > > If they are for sale somewhere, please refer me to the site. > > > > Thanks and ride safe... > > > > HbL > > >

[Forrest]

Les: Here's what I did. You need a hack saw, hand drill, (a vise would help too) Take the kick stand off. Cut it in half about in the middle. Buy some 1/2" black pipe. You'll find that the outside diameter is almost exactly the inside diameter of your kick stand. Cut a piece to fit inside the length of the kick stand, a little longer in your case (If lowering cut the pipe a little shorter and take some length off the kick stand). Drill one big hole, or two smaller holes through eack kick stand half and inner pipe while it's at the length you want. Insert appropriate size bolts and nuts of the type that you believe will look best. Spray paint with sealing primer if desired. Should take you about an hour. ww

[Michael Nelson]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 05:33:43PM -0000, Forrest wrote:

> Les: Here's what I did. You need a hack saw, hand drill, (a vise > would help too) Take the kick stand off. Cut it in half about in the > middle. Buy some 1/2" black pipe. You'll find that the outside > diameter is almost exactly the inside diameter of your kick stand. Cut > a piece to fit inside the length of the kick stand, a little longer in > your case (If lowering cut the pipe a little shorter and take some > length off the kick stand). Drill one big hole, or two smaller holes > through eack kick stand half and inner pipe while it's at the length > you want. Insert appropriate size bolts and nuts of the type that you > believe will look best. Spray paint with sealing primer if desired. > Should take you about an hour.

I've got RL1 raising links and have the same problem. I'm going to try this method. My bike is at home and I am at work... is there anyone who has access to their pre-2008 KLR who could measure the length of the stock kickstand so I know what length of pipe nipple I need to buy? Thanks Michael -- "Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID he just whipped out a quarter?" --Steven Wright San Francisco, CA

[Jeff Saline]

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:49:36 -0700 Michael Nelson writes:

> I've got RL1 raising links and have the same problem. I'm going to > try this > method. My bike is at home and I am at work... is there anyone who > has > access to their pre-2008 KLR who could measure the length of the > stock > kickstand so I know what length of pipe nipple I need to buy? > > Thanks > Michael

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Michael, I just measured my 2003 KLR650 sidestand. Length of the stand is real close to 10". Outside diameter is right at 1". I'm not cutting it open to measure inside diameter. : ) My concern with adding weight to a sidestand is will the stock spring still keep the stand up in bouncing conditions. I think it may be worth considering cutting the stand nearer the pivot point and adding weight there where it won't have quite as much effect on the spring. Just a thought and a couple of measurements. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Forrest]

Mike: Be sure the stand is the same on your 08 as my 07. I think they are but I don't want to lead you wrong either. You'll need about 8"- 10". I also don't know about the weight issue since I don't do any heavy duty stump jumping. I do know that mine stays up fine when hitting massive pot-holes but if the spring was too weak I'd just put a stronger $2.00 spring on. ww

[Luke in Brooklyn]

>My concern with adding weight to a sidestand is will the stock spring

still keep the stand up in bouncing conditions. I think it may be worth considering cutting the stand nearer the pivot point and adding weight there where it won't have quite as much effect on the spring. Just a thought and a couple of measurements. Best, Jeff Saline Jeff--and others-- I was thinking of doing the same adjustable idea with a piece of threaded rod and two nuts, then was worried about excess weight and the spring, so instead I I lengthened my kickstand by welding in a small piece of pipe whose outside diameter matches the inside diameter of the kickstand. I had been leaning my RL1'd KLR on a piece of 2x4 (which is about 1.5") and it seemed about right, so I welded in a little over an inch, if I recall correctly. It worked great... until a few months later I loaded the bike up with camping gear. Then it sat a bit closer to straight up than I liked, because the camping gear caused the bike to squat a bit. I thought I'd been so clever to rebuild my shock and dial it in for perfect static sag, then build the kickstand to match. Only thing is that with the spring I want/need, there isn't enough preload to compensate 100% for the load. It's rarely a problem since I almost never have the boxes on, but it was a mistake. With the pipe that I welded in, though, I've had no issues with the stand staying up on pretty nasty whooped out sandy single track. I welded the extension as close to the nub the spring mounts to as possible to keep the weight near the pivot. You could weld it in just below the pivot, but then you'd need to relocate the spring "finger" or lengthen or replace the spring. If someone cares, I can measure the diameter of the pipe I used to extend it... but the adjustable idea is the way to go. Luke Brooklyn NY 92 CB750 nighthawk--naked simpleton 03 KLR650--fat girl with a dirty mind --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rockiedog2]

Guys I have redone my kickstand several times trying to find the ideal height...the last time I installed an adjustable one. It's still not right. I finally decided that the geometry of the side stand(very steep), supple suspension and top heavy bike combine to prohibit there being an "ideal" length for the kickstand. Get it right for one loading condition and it's wrong for the next...take a look at a lowslung cruiser with a nearly horizontal kickstand and limited suspension travel and the problem will become obvious. My solution: get it as close as possible for my most common load then live with it/park carefully My twobits worth... Joe --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Les Heitman" wrote:

> > I am a newcomer to the group and this may have gone around at some > point and if so i just ask you bear with me... > > I noticed on the photo album page Elcanaco had pics posted of an > apparent homebrew adjustable length kickstand. This comes after I

had

> been sitting at mine all afternoon wishing I had machine tools or > welding ability to do something with mine... The one in the photo

page

> is setup I think to work if the bike is lowered. My dilemna is jsut > the opposite. I have lowered seat height (modified stock seat) and

am

> about 6'3" so to fit my comfort level, I have used a 1" raising link > in the rear and retuned the preload in the front to sit the bike

about

> an inco over what it was stock. This just aggrivated the already > frustrating issue of a nearly too short kickstand. Barely long

enough

> when stock, now will stand on level ground but any bumping or

unlevel

> ground and the bike will tip. > > This kickstand would be a perfect solution short of building just a

2"

> longer than stock kickstand. I have the resources to do neither or > have I read anywhere about anyone else having taken issue with a

short

> kickstand. Neither have I seen substitutions posted or aftermarket > adjustable or longer length kickstands. > > Is the one in the pictures something made for sale or would you be > interested in making either an adjustible one that would extend 2" > above stock or a new kickstand that is 2" longer than stock? > > If they are for sale somewhere, please refer me to the site. > > Thanks and ride safe... > > HbL >