wheel help!

[Darren Clark]

>But a >company that seems to encourage riding sans full-face helmets in >favor of designer doo rags, beanie helmets and Nazi replicas and or >wearing leather in all the wrong places. And bar hopping or bike meet >party hopping (which seems to attract a lot of inexperienced riders >riding big heavy, clumsy machines). >

Sounds like they're just adding some Chlorine to the gene pool.

[C COOPER]

Points well taken... Seems to me that there is something fundamentally wrong with sellng a 100+hp, highly refined sport bike to a 16 year old novice rider. Darwin, Marquis de Sade, it's a toss up.

On 8/31/07, Ronald Criswell wrote: > > Hmmmm .... that's interesting, blame for the industry. I have had a > problem for a while with a company that seemingly encourages stupid > riding. Hoggly Davidson. Every rider is responsible for how they ride > and what they wear and what they drink, smoke, inhale etc. But a > company that seems to encourage riding sans full-face helmets in > favor of designer doo rags, beanie helmets and Nazi replicas and or > wearing leather in all the wrong places. And bar hopping or bike meet > party hopping (which seems to attract a lot of inexperienced riders > riding big heavy, clumsy machines). I don't mind the bikes as they > still seem to be the best platform for customizing if you are into > that. Just always had a problem with the company seemingly endorsing > stupid riding habits. > > But then again, do we really need bikes with 150 horsepower on the > street capable of 170, 180, 190 mph? They would be fun to ride > but ... where? I don't like the idea of being locked up in jail for > doing 180 or sliding down the street at 180. I have tried it at 60 > and didn't much care for it. But every rider makes their own > decisions but what they do affects all riders with insurance costs > and legislation. > > Criswell > On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Arden Kysely wrote: > > > Riders are oftent to blame for crashes, but why do you indict the > > motorcycle industry? > > > > __Arden > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Craig > Kahler wrote: > > > > > > The motorcycle industry and motorcycle users are also to blame. > > Most people killed or seriously injured in motorcycle wrecks, would > > have walked away if they were driving cars. The motorcycle rider is > > knowingly taking more risk than the car driver. > > > I own and enjoy riding motorcycles, I accept the risk. It's the > > price of freedom. It bothers me when we try to place all the blame on > > others. ie drunk drivers. > > > CraigKahler > > > c cooper wrote: > > > All it takes is an instants distraction, daydreaming > > about whatever, > > > regardless of speed. I've done that without drinking, being tired > > from > > > working a long day, or arguing with the wife, It happens. Every > > time I get > > > on the bike I know there is a possibility of high speed > > steel/aluminum > > > poisoning. I'm not passive or karmic about it. All precautions > > taken, riding > > > a motorcycle may be hazardous to your health. > > > > > > On the other hand, things would change if "they" made two changes. > > (1) Make > > > examples of drunk drivers by meting out severe penalties. If you're > > drunk, > > > it's not an accident, it's not manslaughter, it's not 2nd degree > > murder, > > > it's deliberated behavior. **AND - most importantly** (2) Assess > > liquor > > > companies for ALL liquor related damages. This includes not only > > direct > > > property damage and medical costs, but also ancillary costs such as > > lost > > > incomes, child and spousal support, and alcoholic rehabilitation > > programs, > > > instead of externalizing direct costs to insurance companies (which > > means we > > > all pay), and ignoring the other costs altogether. > > > > > > Build ALL the costs into the price of a bottle of Jose Cuervo. All > > we have > > > to deal with then is the bootleggers. > > > > > > Same thing for tobacco companies. Irks me no end that tobacco > > companies are > > > allowed to externalize to society at large everything but the > > direct costs > > > of production... I'll shut up now... > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Michael Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 12:58:02PM -0700, Stuart Mumford wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have ridden it dozens of times, most recently last week. A > > modern, > > > > well > > > > > sorted sportbike at 80 is totally prudent for that stretch of > > road. > > > > > > > > Obviously not. Not if you can't stop in time when an emergency > > situation > > > > arises, and this rider clearly was outriding his abilities. Sorry > > he died, > > > > but if he wasn't going 80, he might be alive. > > > > > > > > How many people practice emergency braking from the speeds they > > think are > > > > "prudent"? That's right, almost nobody. Not even me, although I > > *have* > > > > done hard braking practice up to about 50MPH, and it's scary even > > at 50 > > > > without ABS. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID he > > just > > > > whipped > > > > out a quarter?" --Steven Wright > > > > > > > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > > Yahoo! FareChase. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Andrus Chesley]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell wrote:

> > The point was defensive riding tactics would have done no good in my > situation (other than staying home from say 7 PM to 5 AM). The guy > was so drunk he kept falling down when apprehended. > > Criswell

I had an incident in the Spring of '86 where at about 9;PM I was stopped at a stop sign in a light rain waiting on an approaching car. Next thing I knew I came to in a hospital a few hours later 15 miles away from where I was. Seems I was the person in the wrong place at the wrong time on my '82 Yamaha XV920RH. Hit from behind and left in the ditch in a hit and run. Only witness was the car I was waiting on and they were more concerned with my being than the car that ran off. I got badly bent and tweaked but noting broken. The XV920RH Oh well, did love that bike. I was off bikes for 5 years getting over a vertigo problem caused by the concussion through a very good full hat. Now at about 200,000 miles since then, I watch my '6 ' a lot closer. Andy in Jennings, La.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell wrote: massive snip I don't mind the bikes as they [HD]

> still seem to be the best platform for customizing if you are into > that.

More snipping

> Criswell

Ron, Now that is interesting--your use of the word/phrase, customizing. I would have thought that the HD was the (sic) best platform for 'chrome-customizing' but as I stand and look at my own A15 John Deere, it fully fits the definition of customizing http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/customizing Perhaps [customizing] is just words, maybe even written-noise, but I would hate to think of all the time and money I have spent and not think that my KLR is not customized--to my personal preference, and every farkle-event has some purpose, most of which is usable armour, even if it is just to make it more personal (of which there is very little of that). If it does not serve a useful purpose--off it goes. IRT HD customizing: All chrome does is swell your head, lighten your pocket book, and give you something to wash and worship. (OK-its good for the economy, cough) The armoured John Deere look, on the other hand, allows me to (cough) break bones, etal, in more remote places without substantial damage to the 'Deere'. shrug. Now, that is customizing--and you don't have to wash it often either. Some folks would rather wash than ride. shrug. and that's OK 2. Chroming and washing--That's not my gig, or from what I read, not for most of the riders listening here. revmaaatin.

[Ronald Criswell]

I like all bikes even the custom ones. Art bikes I call them and since that is my trade maybe I appreciate the work done by those guys more than a lot of us KLR adventure bike types. And I like how Europeans custom their bikes. They build their bikes to function better than our wild look bikes. Confederate Motorcycles (used to be in New Orleans) does some really cool stuff. I even like what the late Indian Larry did (except ride stupid). He was a student of the late Ed Roth and I have an autographed cap from Ed. Met him at a car show a few years before he died. I still have old Hot Rod, Rod and Custom, and Car Craft mags from the sixties with his stuff in it. He was a nice guy when I met him. Criswell

On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:07 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell > wrote: > > massive snip > > I don't mind the bikes as they [HD] > > still seem to be the best platform for customizing if you are into > > that. > > More snipping > > > Criswell > > Ron, > Now that is interesting--your use of the word/phrase, customizing. I > would have thought that the HD was the (sic) best platform > for 'chrome-customizing' but as I stand and look at my own A15 John > Deere, it fully fits the definition of customizing > > http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/customizing > > Perhaps [customizing] is just words, maybe even written-noise, but I > would hate to think of all the time and money I have spent and not > think that my KLR is not customized--to my personal preference, and > every farkle-event has some purpose, most of which is usable armour, > even if it is just to make it more personal (of which there is very > little of that). If it does not serve a useful purpose--off it goes. > > IRT HD customizing: All chrome does is swell your head, lighten your > pocket book, and give you something to wash and worship. (OK-its good > for the economy, cough) > > The armoured John Deere look, on the other hand, allows me to (cough) > break bones, etal, in more remote places without substantial damage > to the 'Deere'. shrug. Now, that is customizing--and you don't > have to wash it often either. > > Some folks would rather wash than ride. shrug. and that's OK 2. > Chroming and washing--That's not my gig, or from what I read, not for > most of the riders listening here. > > revmaaatin. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fasteddiecopeman]

Charlie, LMAO! Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Yahrmarkt" wrote: > > Riding a KLR650 gives you an option when > you're cruisin down the ole turnpike and > some [ole geezer]/[dumb kid] pulls out in front of you > then all you gotta do is : _tap_ the brakes, swerve > over on the berm, cross the stream, enter the culvert, > and exit the other side of the highway, where you pop a wheelie, > do one or two donuts, then explode in a cloud of dust and > fly over her hood , causing her to gasp "Oh, my !" > Then smile and wave merrily and beep the KLR horn > and say " Have a nice day, ma'am. !" >

[Eric J Foster]

I had to laugh about the comparison of the bike to a John Deere......... Proof is in the pictures (and scars), NEVER treAt a bike as a farm implement!!!!! www.xr650r.us/bones/ Been there, done that! E -- Guns kill people like silverware made Rosie O'Donnell fat. http://map.findu.com/ke1lb-14 Good Stuff, Trucks Bring It!!

[Eric J Foster]

I never got a chance to reply to whomever it was that sent to me off list. Here's the way to approach lights. Though not a "cure all", you can increase your chances substantially. Make sure you are scanning as far ahead as possible, upwards of 16 seconds. When it comes to intersections, this will give you time to see the green up ahead. If you're seeing green 16 seconds ahead, then chances are it'll be red when you get there. Start slowing down and attempt to time the light. If you do it right, often times you won't have to stop, or even come to 1/4 your original speed. You just eliminated 99.9% of a chance to get rear ended. With practice, you will get to the point of being able to do this without even thinking about it. Should you have to stop, for one, leave at least one car length of empty space between you and the cage in front. This will leave you an "out", or escape route. Also, as said before, watch those mirrors! A LOT! Cars don't appear out of nowhere, and if you're vigilant (someone else's word), you will have time to judge if the vehicle is slowing. One note on the scanning. Most people scan only 4 to 6 seconds ahead when they are driving at 55mph. Why? Because as cavemen, our brains were programmed to do this....... for a walking speed! At 55mph you are moving roughly 82.5 fps. Couple this with the fact that the average Joe needs 1.5 seconds to see and recognize you as a reason to stop, then another 1.5 seconds to actually react (get to the brake pedal). Three seconds, or 250 feet, before they even begin to brake, and this doesn't even cover the braking distance of the vehicle of choice! And then add in 5 seconds dialing the phone or adjusting the stereo, or even the 1.5 seconds it takes for a driver to check the rh mirror........ Checking your mirrors yet? E -- Guns kill people like silverware made Rosie O'Donnell fat. http://map.findu.com/ke1lb-14 Good Stuff, Trucks Bring It!!

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Eric J Foster wrote:

> > I had to laugh about the comparison of the bike to a John

Deere.........

> Proof is in the pictures (and scars), NEVER treAt a bike as a farm > implement!!!!! > > www.xr650r.us/bones/ > > Been there, done that! > > E > > -- > Guns kill people like silverware made Rosie O'Donnell fat. > > http://map.findu.com/ke1lb-14 Good Stuff, Trucks Bring It!! >

Eric, I caught your link last summer while 'parked' on the couch from my own get off. What a huge break you had! Ouch. And what knarly pictures you have! Glad you are up and creating dust again! revmaaatin.

[maudibbb]

Thanks Greg! Seems like a good idea you have. of course the dynamics change when you add a tube and stick that valve sem through the hole. Of course it's probably moot anyway, as it seems the rim-lock is a lot heavier then the valve stem. Probably should just keep it close to 180 as possible without drilling the weld, and then get the whole thing balanced when the tire and tube are in place. Or not!