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[thomas cole]

After reading all the post in reference to helmets I thought I should give some input too. When I returned from Afghanistan almost a year ago I bought a slightly used 06 (lime green) with 1600km on it as a welcome home from the war present to myself. But I had to wait to the spring to do a MSC....and ride it, anyway my best friend said he would purchase a helmet for me (the point of this story). So I thought about getting a cheapo one to ensure he didn't spend to much on this "gift" he planed to get me. He's (my best friend) about 37 and races motocross (the old man class) so safety is paramount. So I joking said "well Mr money-man get me what you race with" and so he did. A Bell Motto 8 in flat black, an absolutely wonderful piece of kit. Light weight removable modular liner pieces to clean. It's well vented and a perfect design for goggles it is DOT and Snell approved (for racing). It came with a zippered velvet lined bag with a spare visor and spare set of snap in liner pieces. The price was $699.00 Cad, wow that's $200.00 more than I paid for my first car back in the mid eighties. I was totally blown away. All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then by all means get a $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head injuries on motorcycles vary in the quality of helmet worn. I've since purchased a Field sheer 3/4 "Adventure jacket and pants" Joe Rocket gloves and boots, as well as "Oakley Crowbar" goggles. I ATGATT even when it hits 35c up here in Alberta. The kids with tank tops, flip flops, on the crotch rockets just don't get it. So to end my rant I'll say thanks to all who read my post and maybe someone will learn that your head and body are worth allot more than what you "Can afford". PS: My friend wiped out in a race in July, He landed on his front wheel after doing a triple at about 70kph. The front tire blew and he went down. He broke his collar bone his Scapula (Shoulder blade?) six ribs and punctured a lung. He is healing well after a week in hospital and home now after a few weeks. 6 mm along of the side of his helmet from the visor to just behind the ear was removed when his head hit the ground... they (the hospital) used a bone cutting tool to remove the helmet from his head. Guess what? no concussion no head trauma no road rash (track rash?) the doctors said he was lucky he had a "high end helmet on". I don't know about you but I'm sold....Cheers. Tom A20 "Lime Ricky" Tom A20,Lime Ricky --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, thomas cole wrote:

>

All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then by all means get a $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head injuries on motorcycles vary in the quality of helmet worn.

>

This is BS. As I recall, the stats show no such thing. Putting on a helmet, any helmet, makes for a big reduction in your prospects for injury. Spending the extra 300 or 400 dollars adds little, if anything. What you get for your money is comfort, lighter weight, and features.

[Arden Kysely]

Call me skeptical, but I've done a fair amount of research on helmets and haven't come across the statistics you mention about head injuries varying based on the quality of the helmet. If you have a reference, I'd love to see it. Glad to hear your buddy is OK and that you value your protective gear. There's a lot of potential street pizza out there this summer. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, thomas cole wrote: > > After reading all the post in reference to helmets I thought I should give some input too. When I returned from Afghanistan almost a year ago I bought a slightly used 06 (lime green) with 1600km on it as a welcome home from the war present to myself. But I had to wait to the spring to do a MSC....and ride it, anyway my best friend said he would purchase a helmet for me (the point of this story). So I thought about getting a cheapo one to ensure he didn't spend to much on this "gift" he planed to get me. > > He's (my best friend) about 37 and races motocross (the old man class) so safety is paramount. So I joking said "well Mr money-man get me what you race with" and so he did. A Bell Motto 8 in flat black, an absolutely wonderful piece of kit. Light weight removable modular liner pieces to clean. It's well vented and a perfect design for goggles it is DOT and Snell approved (for racing). It came with a zippered velvet lined bag with a spare visor and spare set of snap in liner pieces. The price was $699.00 Cad, wow that's $200.00 more than I paid for my first car back in the mid eighties. I was totally blown away. All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then by all means get a $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head injuries on motorcycles vary in the quality of helmet worn. > > I've since purchased a Field sheer 3/4 "Adventure jacket and pants" Joe Rocket gloves and boots, as well as "Oakley Crowbar" goggles. I ATGATT even when it hits 35c up here in Alberta. The kids with tank tops, flip flops, on the crotch rockets just don't get it. So to end my rant I'll say thanks to all who read my post and maybe someone will learn that your head and body are worth allot more than what you "Can afford". > > PS: My friend wiped out in a race in July, He landed on his front wheel after doing a triple at about 70kph. The front tire blew and he went down. He broke his collar bone his Scapula (Shoulder blade?) six ribs and punctured a lung. He is healing well after a week in hospital and home now after a few weeks. 6 mm along of the side of his helmet from the visor to just behind the ear was removed when his head hit the ground... they (the hospital) used a bone cutting tool to remove the helmet from his head. Guess what? no concussion no head trauma no road rash (track rash?) the doctors said he was lucky he had a "high end helmet on". I don't know about you but I'm sold....Cheers. > > Tom > A20 "Lime Ricky" > > > Tom > A20,Lime Ricky > > --------------------------------- > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jim Priest]

On 8/16/07, Arden Kysely wrote:

> injuries varying based on the quality of the helmet. If you have a > reference, I'd love to see it.

I'm really looking forward to the updated 'Hurt Report' ... I unfortunately have an 'expensive' Aria head - they are about the only helmet I can find out of the box that fit really well. But in a nutshell I'd say fit and comfort are more important than cost... Jim

[CB]

A while back Motorcyclist tested of a bunch of helmets under controlled circumstances. Some of the least expensive helmets provided the best protection. No joke. The article is an interesting read. Details here: www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/moto ... et_review/>

On Aug 16, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, thomas cole wrote: >> > All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then > by all means get a > $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head > injuries on motorcycles > vary in the quality of helmet worn. >> > > This is BS. As I recall, the stats show no such thing. Putting on a > helmet, any helmet, makes > for a big reduction in your prospects for injury. Spending the > extra 300 or 400 dollars adds > little, if anything. What you get for your money is comfort, > lighter weight, and features. > > >

[Don Pendergraft]

I remember reading it as well as SNELL's response and researching this thing backwards and forward. In the end, the consumer is left confused in my opinion. It seems that if you could magically predict exactly what kind of wreck you would have, then that would tell you which helmet to buy. I think for high impact situations, the SNELL standard is better. But for most wrecks, they seemed to like the cushioned aspects of the DOT standard that may help prevent brain injury. You can have a helmet that can do both, but it would be about $8K and custom made. So pick your poison. The cost by and has more to do with ventilation, comfort, noise, etc. Things that to many are worth spending $$ on. I'm still in limbo on all of this. I have a KBC full face that I hate. No air flow and a bit noisy. But it will prolly protect my brain housing group OK. At least that's my hope. Don+ _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:43 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Helmits A while back Motorcyclist tested of a bunch of helmets under controlled circumstances. Some of the least expensive helmets provided the best protection. No joke. The article is an interesting read. Details here: www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/moto ... et_review/>

On Aug 16, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, thomas cole wrote: >> > All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then > by all means get a > $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head > injuries on motorcycles > vary in the quality of helmet worn. >> > > This is BS. As I recall, the stats show no such thing. Putting on a > helmet, any helmet, makes > for a big reduction in your prospects for injury. Spending the > extra 300 or 400 dollars adds > little, if anything. What you get for your money is comfort, > lighter weight, and features. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

You're right--fit and comfort are at the top of the list. I have an Arai head, but found comfort in a Shoei XS-11 (also pricey) and a Scopion Exo 700, which is reasonably priced, so there might be options for you. Shoeis used to kill my forehead, but this new one doesn't. Note that fit should be very snug. Not crush-your-skull tight, but not loose enough to flop around. If a helmet is easy to get into, it probably doesn't fit right. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Priest" wrote: > > On 8/16/07, Arden Kysely wrote: > > injuries varying based on the quality of the helmet. If you have a > > reference, I'd love to see it. > > I'm really looking forward to the updated 'Hurt Report' ... > > I unfortunately have an 'expensive' Aria head - they are about the > only helmet I can find out of the box that fit really well. But in a > nutshell I'd say fit and comfort are more important than cost... > > Jim >

[Harry Seifert]

Rider Magazine and Motorcycle Consumer News, or was it Motorcyclist, did an extensive article on the Snell and DOT tests and their respective results. As Don has said, the DOT helmets offer better protection in low speed get-offs and the Snell helmets function much better at impact speeds that are going to cause major trauma and death. At least the Snell helmets allow your mourners to see your pretty face one more time. BTW, I wear Snell certified helmets, off road and on. I'd like to think that I could trust the manufacturers to police themselves, but I just don't see that happening. Buddy

> [Original Message] > From: Don Pendergraft > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 8/16/2007 11:59:47 AM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Helmits > > I remember reading it as well as SNELL's response and researching this

thing

> backwards and forward. In the end, the consumer is left confused in my > opinion. It seems that if you could magically predict exactly what kind of > wreck you would have, then that would tell you which helmet to buy. I

think

> for high impact situations, the SNELL standard is better. But for most > wrecks, they seemed to like the cushioned aspects of the DOT standard that > may help prevent brain injury. You can have a helmet that can do both, but > it would be about $8K and custom made. So pick your poison. The cost by

and

> has more to do with ventilation, comfort, noise, etc. Things that to many > are worth spending $$ on. I'm still in limbo on all of this. I have a KBC > full face that I hate. No air flow and a bit noisy. But it will prolly > protect my brain housing group OK. At least that's my hope. > > Don+ > > _____ > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of CB > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:43 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Helmits > > > > A while back Motorcyclist tested of a bunch of helmets under > controlled circumstances. Some of the least expensive helmets > provided the best protection. No joke. > > The article is an interesting read. Details here: www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/moto ... et_review/> > > On Aug 16, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Jud Jones wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro

ups.com,

> thomas cole wrote: > >> > > All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then > > by all means get a > > $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head > > injuries on motorcycles > > vary in the quality of helmet worn. > >> > > > > This is BS. As I recall, the stats show no such thing. Putting on a > > helmet, any helmet, makes > > for a big reduction in your prospects for injury. Spending the > > extra 300 or 400 dollars adds > > little, if anything. What you get for your money is comfort, > > lighter weight, and features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Jim Douglas]

Jud Jones wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , thomas cole wrote: > > > All he said was "If you think your head is only worth $100.00 then by > all means get a > $100.00 helmet" that really sunk in as the stats will show you head > injuries on motorcycles > vary in the quality of helmet worn. > > > > This is BS. As I recall, the stats show no such thing. Putting on a > helmet, any helmet, makes > for a big reduction in your prospects for injury. Spending the extra > 300 or 400 dollars adds > little, if anything. What you get for your money is comfort, lighter > weight, and features. > >

I case everyone missed my post this morning, I will have to find the exact magazine and article, which proved the less expensive Z1R helmets proved to be the strongest in the testing............ so I agree 100%.

[Kerry Stottlemyer]

> > 300 or 400 dollars adds > > little, if anything. What you get for your money is comfort, lighter > > weight, and features.

Yep which is why $250 is about all i will pay. All helmets need to meet minimum specs and adding $400 to the prices doesn't buy you much. kerry