surging at cruise related questions

[Nate Matthews]

Air mattresses are kind of a pain, IMO. Even the therma-rest kind. If you can hack the loss of comfort, go with a Z-rest. They re foam, un-poppable, useful to sit on, sleep on, lay down on pavement if you have to get up under the bike, really easy to pack. And super freakin light. I had a friend who one time brought one of those monster inflatable mattresses on a road trip. It took him five minutes to blow it up. I ll admit to some jealousy when we crashed in the tent later that night ... He on his queen-sized cloud of a bed, me on a thin little foam pad. But around midnight, when his raft deflated and he was swearing half-asleep trying to patch the thing with a few slices of american cheese and some duct tape (don t ask) I was snug and smug. But you gotta have a certain tolerance for hard ground. Depends on how tired you are, and how long you use it. Takes a few days, but it s better for your back.

On 6/13/07 4:23 PM, "Zachariah Mully" wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 15:22 -0400, Jim Priest wrote: >> > On 6/13/07, Jeff Saline > >> wrote: >>> > > I'll play. Here is an incomplete list of some of the junk I drag along. >>> > > In no particular order: >>> > > >>> > > - air mattress >> > >> > Thanks Jeff! >> > >> > What kind of air mattress do most folks use? I have a Thermarest pad >> > - and last time I camped out in the yard with the kids - my back did >> > not feel very rested... >> > >> > Is it worth the xtra comfort to tote along a blow up mattress? I carry >> > a compressor so blowing it up wouldn't be an issue. >> > > > IMO, air mattresses are crap. They leak, they're large and they're a > hassle in general. If you can afford either (and they're applicable to > your region), I recommend the following: > > *Hennessey Camping hammock - http://www.hennessyhammock.com/ > Super fast set up and take down once you get used to the snakeskins. > Don't need flat ground, or an air mattress. Very warm if you use an > under hammock quilt or their 3-season kit. > > *Luxury-Lite Low Rise cot - http://www.luxurylite.com/cotindex.html > Lighter than an air mattress, won't deflate, tiny and very comfortable! > I weigh 240lbs so even the thickest thermarest was never comfortable for > me, but I can actually sleep on this! > > I've used both fairly extensively, and highly recommend them. > > Z > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim Priest]

On 6/13/07, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> *Hennessey Camping hammock - http://www.hennessyhammock.com/ > Super fast set up and take down once you get used to the snakeskins. > Don't need flat ground, or an air mattress. Very warm if you use an > under hammock quilt or their 3-season kit.

Hammock camping looks really cool - but it assumes there will be suitable trees to hang it from... Does look comfy though! -- Jim Priest - central NC - 04 KLR650 'Gonzo' Checkout the KLR Resource List and Master Tool List http://www.thecrumb.com/wiki/KLR650_resources http://www.thecrumb.com/wiki/Master_tool_list

[LD]

I bring pretty much what Jeff Saline brings, but I add brandy and cigars. --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

Z, Everyone that's used a cheap air mattress has the same feeling, and with good reason--cheap air mattresses are crap. Bud a good one is light, compact, and reliable...like Big Agnes. She's pretty comfy and packs down to the size of a tall beer. No leaks in over a year. I like the Luxury-Lite cot idea, but it weighs more than Agnes and the price is way high. Do you have any experience with the Luxury Lite V-Bag sleeping bag? __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote: >> > IMO, air mattresses are crap. They leak, they're large and they're a > hassle in general. If you can afford ...snipp... > > *Luxury-Lite Low Rise cot - http://www.luxurylite.com/cotindex.html > Lighter than an air mattress, won't deflate, tiny and very comfortable! >> Z >

[Michael Silverstein]

For me, rule #1 when camping is to not eat anything that requires preparation. This means no stove, no fuel, no forks, no pots, no pans. Just Power Bars, Jerky, dried fruit, granola bars, and anything else that can go right from a package to my digestive system without wasted time, space or energy preparing, cleaning, packing, etc. I suppose it would be different if I were catching my own food but since I'm not, I don't see the need to make extra work with food preparation when I'm out trying to have fun. Mike A18 KLR650 tires page: [www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcy ... r650/tires] -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sobiloff Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:40 PM To: Jim Priest Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - camping list

On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Jim Priest wrote: > So break it down - what are the essentials? What do you take on > long trips? > Short trips? Hot? Cold? Always: * Wiggy's sleeping bag * Thermarest Luxury Edition pad * Sierra Designs Sirius 3 tent * Thermarest camp chair * GSI anodized non-stick pots * Primus TechnoTrail gas stove w/ piezo ignition + gas canister(s) * Nylon cooking tools * Fork and spoon * Nylon scrubbie * Travel-size dish soap * Swiss Army Tool * Coppertone sweat-proof 30 SPF * Hat (wide-brimmed and/or fleece) * Black Diamond LED headlamp + extra batteries * Cold Steel Survival Rescue Knife * Mini ceramic knife sharpener * Camelbak 1L hydration pack * Firestarters (waterproof matches, magnesium starter, Bic) * Water purifier (MSR MIOX, Micropur MP-1 tablets) * Suunto compass and area maps * Garmin 76 Cx GPS + batteries * Exped Expedition Sewing Kit * u-dig-it trowel * Toilet paper * Contractor-grade trash bag * PackTowl * 100' 3-strand paracord * Travel size Purel (hand sanitizer) * SAS Survival Flickbook * Fox 40 Mini whistle * REI weatherproof note pad * Fisher Space Pen * Big bag of beef jerky -- Blake Sobiloff com> http://sobiloff. http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> typepad.com/blakeblog/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Zachariah Mully]

On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 21:25 +0000, Arden Kysely wrote:

> Z, > > Everyone that's used a cheap air mattress has the same feeling, and > with good reason--cheap air mattresses are crap. Bud a good one is > light, compact, and reliable...like Big Agnes. She's pretty comfy and > packs down to the size of a tall beer. No leaks in over a year. I > like the Luxury-Lite cot idea, but it weighs more than Agnes and the > price is way high. > > Do you have any experience with the Luxury Lite V-Bag sleeping bag? > > __Arden >

Which Big Agnes pad do you use? My issue with most ultralite/small pads is that they're usually 3/4 length, and 3/4 length for a 5'10" 170lbs person, so at 6'4" and 240lbs, they simply don't work. I'm not one of those willowy bedraggled thru hikers who weigh 150lbs soaking wet Plus I like to sleep on my side, which I've found is nearly impossible on even the thickest pad. So the money was well spent on the LuxuryLite, and too boot, it makes visiting friends in NYC a whole lot cheaper and easier. And no experience with the V-bag, though at that price, it might be worth trying, since all I have are crappy Coleman bags. Z

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Michael Silverstein wrote:

> For me, rule #1 when camping is to not eat anything that requires > preparation.

I'll admit there's some attraction to that, but for most folks there's a certain comfort in hot food. It's pretty well recognized in the survival literature that even something as simple as a cup of hot tea can be a tremendous morale booster. I realize that most camping doesn't fall into the "survival" category (thankfully!), but as the Boy Scouts say... "be prepared." (Pun intended -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Randall Marbach]

I agree with your rule #1 with one exception, .. hot coffee in the morning... so I add Jetboil Java kit. http://jetboil.com/ HTH Randy from Burbank ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Silverstein To: Jim Priest Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:25:28 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - camping list For me, rule #1 when camping is to not eat anything that requires preparation. This means no stove, no fuel, no forks, no pots, no pans. Just Power Bars, Jerky, dried fruit, granola bars, and anything else that can go right from a package to my digestive system without wasted time, space or energy preparing, cleaning, packing, etc. I suppose it would be different if I were catching my own food but since I'm not, I don't see the need to make extra work with food preparation when I'm out trying to have fun. Mike A18 KLR650 tires page: [www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcy ... r650/tires] -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sobiloff Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:40 PM To: Jim Priest Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - camping list

On Jun 13, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Jim Priest wrote: > So break it down - what are the essentials? What do you take on > long trips? > Short trips? Hot? Cold? Always: * Wiggy's sleeping bag * Thermarest Luxury Edition pad * Sierra Designs Sirius 3 tent * Thermarest camp chair * GSI anodized non-stick pots * Primus TechnoTrail gas stove w/ piezo ignition + gas canister(s) * Nylon cooking tools * Fork and spoon * Nylon scrubbie * Travel-size dish soap * Swiss Army Tool * Coppertone sweat-proof 30 SPF * Hat (wide-brimmed and/or fleece) * Black Diamond LED headlamp + extra batteries * Cold Steel Survival Rescue Knife * Mini ceramic knife sharpener * Camelbak 1L hydration pack * Firestarters (waterproof matches, magnesium starter, Bic) * Water purifier (MSR MIOX, Micropur MP-1 tablets) * Suunto compass and area maps * Garmin 76 Cx GPS + batteries * Exped Expedition Sewing Kit * u-dig-it trowel * Toilet paper * Contractor-grade trash bag * PackTowl * 100' 3-strand paracord * Travel size Purel (hand sanitizer) * SAS Survival Flickbook * Fox 40 Mini whistle * REI weatherproof note pad * Fisher Space Pen * Big bag of beef jerky -- Blake Sobiloff com> http://sobiloff. http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> typepad.com/blakeblog/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/fe ... /index.php

[tlh]

I do not do cold, so here is the anytime I go: First: Tell at least 2 people when/when i'm going and when to expect to hear from me and when after that time to initiate a search. - tent - sleeping bag - single burner stove with 1 bottle - fire starters (matches, lighter) - zip-lock freezer bags to keep stuff dry (like matches & tp) - toilet paper - good towel - LED flashlight - simple meals - rope - light weight hiking shoes - compass & gps - first aid kit - good Swiss Army knife - water - sippin whiskey - maps - rain gear - fast drying clothing - 2 heavy duty trash bags (helps to keep things dry) - bug spray with deet... - quick reference card on snakes/other poisonous things in the area I'm camping. albatross

----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Priest To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - camping list On 6/13/07, tlh wrote: > > Depends on where you're going.. > Outside So break it down - what are the essentials? What do you take on long trips? Short trips? Hot? Cold? -- Jim Priest - central NC - 04 KLR650 'Gonzo' Checkout the KLR Resource List and Master Tool List http://www.thecrumb.com/wiki/KLR650_resources http://www.thecrumb.com/wiki/Master_tool_list [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

I've got the Air Core. It inflates to 2.5" thick and you can get one 78" long. Mine's only 72", which is long for me since I'm 5'8" and 150 pounds soaking wet 8~) They make an insulated model as well. Do you use anything between your cot and bag for insulation? I've heard that a space blanket under either a cot or air mattress will make for warmer sleep. I visit the LL web site now and then and may yet pop for the cot. I'm always looking for more comfort/convenience and less weight/bulk. The older I get, the more willing I am to pay for it. And if it holds up to 240 pounds I'm even more interested. But first I have to wear out Big Agnes. __Arden

> > Which Big Agnes pad do you use? My issue with most ultralite/small

pads

> is that they're usually 3/4 length, and 3/4 length for a 5'10"

170lbs

> person, so at 6'4" and 240lbs, they simply don't work. I'm not one

of

> those willowy bedraggled thru hikers who weigh 150lbs soaking wet > Plus I like to sleep on my side, which I've found is nearly

impossible

> on even the thickest pad. So the money was well spent on the

LuxuryLite,

> and too boot, it makes visiting friends in NYC a whole lot cheaper

and

> easier. > > And no experience with the V-bag, though at that price, it might be > worth trying, since all I have are crappy Coleman bags. > > Z >