1994 klr 650 4-sale .. in pa ... low miles

[J Fortner]

I have a Jake's doohickey installed in 2003 and the spring had failed. Replaced the spring with an Eagle Mike spring this last winter thanks to a friend. Jim Fortner Plano, TX A7

On 6/15/07, Craig Kahler wrote: > > Has anyone had a problem with the improved dohickys or springs failing? > > Craig Kahler > > Norm Keller > wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , > "kestrelfal" wrote: > > > > A lot of faith is being placed in > > aftermarket springs to duplicate the > > factory slack/tension spec. in the > > balancer chain. Sure would like to > > see 'objective evidence' that it does > > (or why it is different). > > > > Fred > > Fred, a less complicated example of objective evidence is that many of the > stock springs break and so apply no force to the lever. Mike's tension > springs don't break and so they do apply tension. The same is true of his > torsion springs although the means by which the force is applied is somewhat > different. > > What I'm saying here is that one should not lose sight of the fact that > the reason for replacing the original spring is that it does not provide > tensioning effect as the designers intended. Any spring which does allow the > tensioner to function in a manner even close to the intended effect has to > be a huge improvement. > > Just my views, > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kestrelfal]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "kestrelfal" wrote: > > > > A lot of faith is being placed in > > aftermarket springs to duplicate the > > factory slack/tension spec. in the > > balancer chain. Sure would like to > > see 'objective evidence' that it does > > (or why it is different). > > > > Fred > > > Fred, a less complicated example of objective evidence is that many

of the stock springs break and so apply no force to the lever. Mike's tension springs don't break and so they do apply tension. The same is true of his torsion springs although the means by which the force is applied is somewhat different.

> > What I'm saying here is that one should not lose sight of the fact

that the reason for replacing the original spring is that it does not provide tensioning effect as the designers intended. Any spring which does allow the tensioner to function in a manner even close to the intended effect has to be a huge improvement.

> > Just my views, > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Close/good-enough only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not in *duplicating the factory slack/tension spec. in the balancer chain*. Fred

[Harry Seifert]

Seems to me, if the factory part fails, as it often does, 100% in both of my KLRs, broken spring and doo at 1100 mi on my '99, dimpled doo and a no tension spring on my '06 w/only 5 miles, how does that meet factory specifications? I got ripped for this about 5 years ago, but, IMHO, if ya can't kick start it and at least have a basic grasp of mechanicology, mebbe ya oughta stay away from the iron horse, pardner. And especially be on the look out for "gurus" who speak out of opinion, not empirical fact. Buddy bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: kestrelfal > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 6/16/2007 5:36:47 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: torsion spring preload > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "kestrelfal" wrote: > > > > > > A lot of faith is being placed in > > > aftermarket springs to duplicate the > > > factory slack/tension spec. in the > > > balancer chain. Sure would like to > > > see 'objective evidence' that it does > > > (or why it is different). > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Fred, a less complicated example of objective evidence is that many > of the stock springs break and so apply no force to the lever. Mike's > tension springs don't break and so they do apply tension. The same is > true of his torsion springs although the means by which the force is > applied is somewhat different. > > > > What I'm saying here is that one should not lose sight of the fact > that the reason for replacing the original spring is that it does not > provide tensioning effect as the designers intended. Any spring which > does allow the tensioner to function in a manner even close to the > intended effect has to be a huge improvement. > > > > Just my views, > > > > Norm > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Close/good-enough only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, > not in *duplicating the factory slack/tension spec. in > the balancer chain*. > > Fred > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Harry Seifert]

BTW, another thing............ The lever geometry is the same on the '08's. New '08 spring is 46mm in length. The old spring was 38mm in length. And what the heck does the spring do? It is not an active "partner" in the tensioning of the balancer chain, because the quadrant is locked down if you follow the proper procedures when adjusting the tension. The tension only comes into play when the adjusting bolt is loosened and hopefully the quadrant is pulled in the direction of the rear of the engine, thus moving the cam that the lever sits on, thereby taking up the slack in the power transmission for the balancer system and water pump. And the other sites "guru" claim about replacing the balancer sprockets after 30,000 to 40,000 miles.............come on now, can someone explain to me how a lightly loaded, small pitch chain running in an oil bath is going to chew up a sprocket or two...... (Basic mechanicology 1A).......if there are broken bits of spring and/or doohickey floating around in that oil bath, yeah. Otherwise order me a pound of what that "guru" is smoking, cause that's some bad ass sh*#. Pink slips on Banner Grade anyone??? Buddy bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: kestrelfal > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 6/16/2007 5:36:47 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: torsion spring preload > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "kestrelfal" wrote: > > > > > > A lot of faith is being placed in > > > aftermarket springs to duplicate the > > > factory slack/tension spec. in the > > > balancer chain. Sure would like to > > > see 'objective evidence' that it does > > > (or why it is different). > > > > > > Fred > > > > > > Fred, a less complicated example of objective evidence is that many > of the stock springs break and so apply no force to the lever. Mike's > tension springs don't break and so they do apply tension. The same is > true of his torsion springs although the means by which the force is > applied is somewhat different. > > > > What I'm saying here is that one should not lose sight of the fact > that the reason for replacing the original spring is that it does not > provide tensioning effect as the designers intended. Any spring which > does allow the tensioner to function in a manner even close to the > intended effect has to be a huge improvement. > > > > Just my views, > > > > Norm > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Close/good-enough only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, > not in *duplicating the factory slack/tension spec. in > the balancer chain*. > > Fred > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[mudslinger8883]

**** EMAIL IS .... vintageracer888@... ***** --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mudslinger8883" wrote:

> > 94 klr 650, pretty much stock with the exception of a jc whitney

top

> box, tusk hand gaurds, and braided stainless brake lines. almost

new

> dunlop 606 tires and brake pads. low miles for the year ...approx.

8500

> miles. this bike has been completely flawless for me and zero

problems.

> the bike is in great shape .. i would actually say excellent for

the

> year but opinions vary on condition so all i can say is look at the > pics ... $2500.00 and the bike is in Lancaster, Pa .... email me at > vintageracer888@... thanks, scott > > http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i269/coolbikeguy/klr1.jpg > > http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i269/coolbikeguy/klr2.jpg > > http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i269/coolbikeguy/klr4.jpg > > http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i269/coolbikeguy/klr5.jpg >

[Randall Marbach]

I was experiencing some strange noises coming out the left side of my engine, so I took it down to Eagle Mike's place to check out an Eagle Mike doohickey and spring that we installed at a Julian tech session in Feb2004. The doohickey and spring were in perfect operating shape. While we had it apart, we took the oppurtunity to install a torsion spring, which is engineered to work with existing Eagle doohickies. Sweet setup. Running a heavier oil than the 10/40 I was using seemed to help with the noise I was hearing, but, whatever the noise was, it is was definately not anything to do with doohickies. HTH Randy from Burbank ----- Original Message ---- From: J Fortner To: Craig Kahler Cc: Norm Keller ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:47:53 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: torsion spring preload I have a Jake's doohickey installed in 2003 and the spring had failed. Replaced the spring with an Eagle Mike spring this last winter thanks to a friend. Jim Fortner Plano, TX A7

On 6/15/07, Craig Kahler wrote: > > Has anyone had a problem with the improved dohickys or springs failing? > > Craig Kahler > > Norm Keller > wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , > "kestrelfal" wrote: > > > > A lot of faith is being placed in > > aftermarket springs to duplicate the > > factory slack/tension spec. in the > > balancer chain. Sure would like to > > see 'objective evidence' that it does > > (or why it is different). > > > > Fred > > Fred, a less complicated example of objective evidence is that many of the > stock springs break and so apply no force to the lever. Mike's tension > springs don't break and so they do apply tension. The same is true of his > torsion springs although the means by which the force is applied is somewhat > different. > > What I'm saying here is that one should not lose sight of the fact that > the reason for replacing the original spring is that it does not provide > tensioning effect as the designers intended. Any spring which does allow the > tensioner to function in a manner even close to the intended effect has to > be a huge improvement. > > Just my views, > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php