new to list and have an oil question

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.

[Kevin Angus]

The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. The valve clearance shims were adjusted. Not an easy problem. _____ From: Taralynn [mailto:taralynnbernard@...] On Behalf Of AT Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:36 AM To: kangus@... Subject: Re:Bike idles but floods and dies I feel you are barking up the wrong tree here. The fitting where the fuel inlet line goes into the carb, is pressed into a rubber O ring. What will happen, a small piece of this gets torn off and can work loose. It will be just large enough it won't completely pass the needle seat for the float causing it to stick open, flooding the carb. Remove the fitting, get this piece(s) out (using air, a straight pin, anything) and it will be fine. Been there, done that, problem solved... Why are you checking the coil if it is flooding? -Andy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.

[Kevin Angus]

The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. The valve clearance shims were adjusted. Not an easy problem. _____ From: Taralynn [mailto:taralynnbernard@...] On Behalf Of AT Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:36 AM To: kangus@... Subject: Re:Bike idles but floods and dies I feel you are barking up the wrong tree here. The fitting where the fuel inlet line goes into the carb, is pressed into a rubber O ring. What will happen, a small piece of this gets torn off and can work loose. It will be just large enough it won't completely pass the needle seat for the float causing it to stick open, flooding the carb. Remove the fitting, get this piece(s) out (using air, a straight pin, anything) and it will be fine. Been there, done that, problem solved... Why are you checking the coil if it is flooding? -Andy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.

[Kevin Angus]

The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. The valve clearance shims were adjusted. Not an easy problem. _____ From: Taralynn [mailto:taralynnbernard@...] On Behalf Of AT Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:36 AM To: kangus@... Subject: Re:Bike idles but floods and dies I feel you are barking up the wrong tree here. The fitting where the fuel inlet line goes into the carb, is pressed into a rubber O ring. What will happen, a small piece of this gets torn off and can work loose. It will be just large enough it won't completely pass the needle seat for the float causing it to stick open, flooding the carb. Remove the fitting, get this piece(s) out (using air, a straight pin, anything) and it will be fine. Been there, done that, problem solved... Why are you checking the coil if it is flooding? -Andy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin Angus" wrote:

> > The flooding I speak of is black smoke, way rich running, if you back off > the gas the engine starts to idle and clears up. It acts like the timing > does not advance or there is hi-voltage breakdown in the coil, as the RPM > increases the coil shorts out internally. This effect happened on my old > carb and my new one, all the gas lines are new, the fuel filter has been > removed, the tank has been replaced with a small plastic tank for testing. > The valve clearance shims were adjusted. > > Not an easy problem. > > > _____

Not easy indeed. It could be fuel-related, but it could also be a symptom of a fault in the charging system and a discharged batery. Putting a meter on the battery at rest and with the motor running should give you a quick read, and at least rule out electrics if they are not the problem.