'01 klr project

[briceosborne123@comcast.net]

Hi All, This is my first post to this group as I found it from ADV and the famous FAQ. I just got a '00 with 14k on the clock and enjoyed it for all of 3 days before I killed it- or it died. So I'll get right to it: I was on the trail and did a couple small jumps and was getting ready to head out when shortly after the last little (and I mean little) jump it stalled and died. - It sounded different when I turned it over to try to get it started - Getting spark (and the plug is not wet at all) - bled the carb so I know there is fuel there - when the vacuum line was plugged with the tank off, it shot the carb off the head (not violent or damaging- just popped off) - Doohickey has been replaced/upgraded - getting spark so I'm assuming that the stupid clutch and kickstand switches aren't causing this - it has coolant - it has oil - it has fuel Based on how it sounded, I am thinking either the timing is off (but then wouldn't I have a wet plug), or the carb is buggered in one way or another. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

[usa1911a1]

I'm no mechanic, and I am sure others will chime in but you need three things to run. Air compression, spark and fuel, and it sounds like you have only two of them. My guess is the small jumps loosened up some crap in the carb and your jet is clogged. Just a starting point from an old fart who still has a lot to learn. Capt. Bob in Durham, CT. USA http://www.essexsteamtrain.com/ 2006 A6F KLR Green Tires: Mefo 99 Explorers Country roads (20% dirt), dual tracks. NY State and Northern New England

----- Original Message ----- From: briceosborne123@... To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Noob with a dead KLR Hi All, This is my first post to this group as I found it from ADV and the famous FAQ. I just got a '00 with 14k on the clock and enjoyed it for all of 3 days before I killed it- or it died. So I'll get right to it: I was on the trail and did a couple small jumps and was getting ready to head out when shortly after the last little (and I mean little) jump it stalled and died. - It sounded different when I turned it over to try to get it started - Getting spark (and the plug is not wet at all) - bled the carb so I know there is fuel there - when the vacuum line was plugged with the tank off, it shot the carb off the head (not violent or damaging- just popped off) - Doohickey has been replaced/upgraded - getting spark so I'm assuming that the stupid clutch and kickstand switches aren't causing this - it has coolant - it has oil - it has fuel Based on how it sounded, I am thinking either the timing is off (but then wouldn't I have a wet plug), or the carb is buggered in one way or another. Any ideas? Thanks in advance! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Peplinski]

I'd look for dirt. Even with a filter you can dislodge a bit of dirt. It doesn' ttake much.

>From: "usa1911a1" >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Noob with a dead KLR >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:06:17 -0500 > >I'm no mechanic, and I am sure others will chime in but you need three >things to run. Air compression, spark and fuel, and it sounds like you >have only two of them. My guess is the small jumps loosened up some crap >in the carb and your jet is clogged. Just a starting point from an old >fart who still has a lot to learn. > >Capt. Bob in Durham, CT. USA >http://www.essexsteamtrain.com/ >2006 A6F KLR Green >Tires: Mefo 99 Explorers >Country roads (20% dirt), dual tracks. NY State and Northern New England > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: briceosborne123@... > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:21 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Noob with a dead KLR > > > Hi All, > > This is my first post to this group as I found it from ADV and the >famous FAQ. > > I just got a '00 with 14k on the clock and enjoyed it for all of 3 days >before I killed it- or it died. So I'll get right to it: > > I was on the trail and did a couple small jumps and was getting ready to >head out when shortly after the last little (and I mean little) jump it >stalled and died. > > - It sounded different when I turned it over to try to get it started > - Getting spark (and the plug is not wet at all) > - bled the carb so I know there is fuel there > - when the vacuum line was plugged with the tank off, it shot the carb >off the head (not violent or damaging- just popped off) > - Doohickey has been replaced/upgraded > - getting spark so I'm assuming that the stupid clutch and kickstand >switches aren't causing this > - it has coolant > - it has oil > - it has fuel > > Based on how it sounded, I am thinking either the timing is off (but >then wouldn't I have a wet plug), or the carb is buggered in one way or >another. > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance! > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

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[briceosborne123@comcast.net]

It's got spark as I mentioned- whether or not it's at the right time has yet to be determined. It also has compression as you can feel it at the exhaust pipe when it is turned over. I am really leaning toward something gumming up the carb. What on earth could I do to the engine internals? Is this an interference motor? Forgive me but I've only just started to read the FAQ and have not read the Clymer's that came with the bike yet. The engine is not seized as it will turn the wheel in gear. I'm going to check valve clearances and timing also when I get it home but will probably just go ahead take the carb off and clean it up really well. Thanks for the input. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jeff Saline

> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:21:51 +0000 briceosborne123@... writes: > > Hi All, > > > > This is my first post to this group as I found it from ADV and the > > famous FAQ. > > > > I just got a '00 with 14k on the clock and enjoyed it for all of 3 > > days before I killed it- or it died. So I'll get right to it: > > > > I was on the trail and did a couple small jumps and was getting > > ready to head out when shortly after the last little (and I mean > > little) jump it stalled and died. > > > > - It sounded different when I turned it over to try to get it > > started > > - Getting spark (and the plug is not wet at all) > > - bled the carb so I know there is fuel there > > - when the vacuum line was plugged with the tank off, it shot the > > carb off the head (not violent or damaging- just popped off) > > - Doohickey has been replaced/upgraded > > - getting spark so I'm assuming that the stupid clutch and kickstand > > switches aren't causing this > > - it has coolant > > - it has oil > > - it has fuel > > > > Based on how it sounded, I am thinking either the timing is off (but > > then wouldn't I have a wet plug), or the carb is buggered in one way > > or another. > > > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance! > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > briceosborne123, > > I think Capt Bob is on to something here. If you can figure out what > you're missing you may be able to more easily track down the problem. > Compression, fuel and heat are needed to make the KLR engine run. Which > one is missing is for you to find out. > > I'd check for spark first as it's very easy to do. Take a spare > sparkplug and connect it to the sparkplug lead. Ground it and then crank > the engine while watching for spark. If you have spark you can guess it > isn't spark related unless you messed up the engine internals. I suppose > you could also check for spark using an induction timing light and > compare it with the timing marks on the rotor (flywheel). Having spark > at the wrong time will kill the engine too in some cases. > > You could check for a fuel issue by maybe opening the air cleaner box and > removing the filter. Then spraying some WD-40 into the airbox while > cranking the engine. If it kicks over you can guess it's a fuel issue. > Make sure you've reconnected the spark plug lead to the engine sparkplug > before doing this. > > If you have spark and the WD-40 spray into the intake doesn't get a hit > I'm guessing you've messed up the internals of the engine. If you landed > and the rear wheel locked up for a second or otherwise caused a jerk in > the driveline maybe when the doohickey was replaced the woodruff key > slipped from the crank when the rotor was reinstalled. If that happened > and the rotor bolt was correctly torqued maybe a sudden jerk finally > caused the timing to slip by allowing the rotor to move on the end of the > crankshaft. You could also take a look at the cam timing and compare it > with the timing marks on the rotor and see if everything lines up. > > I'm gonna make a guess here that you may have some kind of internal > engine issue as the carb shouldn't get blown off the head. If the cams > are out of time maybe the intake was still open a tad when the spark plug > fired and the compression blew the carb off the head. Just another > thought. > > Do a couple of quick tests and let the list know what you find out. Then > maybe we can help you proceed. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Bogdan Swider]

On 3/5/07 1:59 PM, "briceosborne123@..." wrote:

> > > >

It's got spark as I mentioned- whether or not it's at the right time has yet to be determined. The timing of the klr is set and can not be adjusted. Bogdan, who occasionally gets adjusted by his rolfer/chiropractor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:21:51 +0000 briceosborne123@... writes:

> Hi All, > > This is my first post to this group as I found it from ADV and the > famous FAQ. > > I just got a '00 with 14k on the clock and enjoyed it for all of 3 > days before I killed it- or it died. So I'll get right to it: > > I was on the trail and did a couple small jumps and was getting > ready to head out when shortly after the last little (and I mean > little) jump it stalled and died. > > - It sounded different when I turned it over to try to get it > started > - Getting spark (and the plug is not wet at all) > - bled the carb so I know there is fuel there > - when the vacuum line was plugged with the tank off, it shot the > carb off the head (not violent or damaging- just popped off) > - Doohickey has been replaced/upgraded > - getting spark so I'm assuming that the stupid clutch and kickstand > switches aren't causing this > - it has coolant > - it has oil > - it has fuel > > Based on how it sounded, I am thinking either the timing is off (but > then wouldn't I have a wet plug), or the carb is buggered in one way > or another. > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> briceosborne123, I think Capt Bob is on to something here. If you can figure out what you're missing you may be able to more easily track down the problem. Compression, fuel and heat are needed to make the KLR engine run. Which one is missing is for you to find out. I'd check for spark first as it's very easy to do. Take a spare sparkplug and connect it to the sparkplug lead. Ground it and then crank the engine while watching for spark. If you have spark you can guess it isn't spark related unless you messed up the engine internals. I suppose you could also check for spark using an induction timing light and compare it with the timing marks on the rotor (flywheel). Having spark at the wrong time will kill the engine too in some cases. You could check for a fuel issue by maybe opening the air cleaner box and removing the filter. Then spraying some WD-40 into the airbox while cranking the engine. If it kicks over you can guess it's a fuel issue. Make sure you've reconnected the spark plug lead to the engine sparkplug before doing this. If you have spark and the WD-40 spray into the intake doesn't get a hit I'm guessing you've messed up the internals of the engine. If you landed and the rear wheel locked up for a second or otherwise caused a jerk in the driveline maybe when the doohickey was replaced the woodruff key slipped from the crank when the rotor was reinstalled. If that happened and the rotor bolt was correctly torqued maybe a sudden jerk finally caused the timing to slip by allowing the rotor to move on the end of the crankshaft. You could also take a look at the cam timing and compare it with the timing marks on the rotor and see if everything lines up. I'm gonna make a guess here that you may have some kind of internal engine issue as the carb shouldn't get blown off the head. If the cams are out of time maybe the intake was still open a tad when the spark plug fired and the compression blew the carb off the head. Just another thought. Do a couple of quick tests and let the list know what you find out. Then maybe we can help you proceed. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[usa1911a1]

A trick that I have used in the past after you blow some air around the sparkplug, is to remove the plug and pour about a teaspoon of raw gas down into the cylinder. Close it up and turn it over. If you get a response it almost certainly is a fuel delivery problem. I would not check timing or valves or anything until I was able to totally eliminate carburetion. Capt. Bob in Durham, CT. USA http://www.essexsteamtrain.com/ 2006 A6F KLR Green Tires: Mefo 99 Explorers Country roads (20% dirt), dual tracks. NY State and Northern New England

----- Original Message ----- From: briceosborne123@... To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Noob with a dead KLR It's got spark as I mentioned- whether or not it's at the right time has yet to be determined. It also has compression as you can feel it at the exhaust pipe when it is turned over. I am really leaning toward something gumming up the carb. What on earth could I do to the engine internals? Is this an interference motor? Forgive me but I've only just started to read the FAQ and have not read the Clymer's that came with the bike yet. The engine is not seized as it will turn the wheel in gear. I'm going to check valve clearances and timing also when I get it home but will probably just go ahead take the carb off and clean it up really well. Thanks for the input. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jeff Saline > On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:21:51 +0000 briceosborne123@... writes: > > Hi All, > > > > This is my first post to this group as I found it from ADV and the > > famous FAQ. > > > > I just got a '00 with 14k on the clock and enjoyed it for all of 3 > > days before I killed it- or it died. So I'll get right to it: > > > > I was on the trail and did a couple small jumps and was getting > > ready to head out when shortly after the last little (and I mean > > little) jump it stalled and died. > > > > - It sounded different when I turned it over to try to get it > > started > > - Getting spark (and the plug is not wet at all) > > - bled the carb so I know there is fuel there > > - when the vacuum line was plugged with the tank off, it shot the > > carb off the head (not violent or damaging- just popped off) > > - Doohickey has been replaced/upgraded > > - getting spark so I'm assuming that the stupid clutch and kickstand > > switches aren't causing this > > - it has coolant > > - it has oil > > - it has fuel > > > > Based on how it sounded, I am thinking either the timing is off (but > > then wouldn't I have a wet plug), or the carb is buggered in one way > > or another. > > > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance! > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > briceosborne123, > > I think Capt Bob is on to something here. If you can figure out what > you're missing you may be able to more easily track down the problem. > Compression, fuel and heat are needed to make the KLR engine run. Which > one is missing is for you to find out. > > I'd check for spark first as it's very easy to do. Take a spare > sparkplug and connect it to the sparkplug lead. Ground it and then crank > the engine while watching for spark. If you have spark you can guess it > isn't spark related unless you messed up the engine internals. I suppose > you could also check for spark using an induction timing light and > compare it with the timing marks on the rotor (flywheel). Having spark > at the wrong time will kill the engine too in some cases. > > You could check for a fuel issue by maybe opening the air cleaner box and > removing the filter. Then spraying some WD-40 into the airbox while > cranking the engine. If it kicks over you can guess it's a fuel issue. > Make sure you've reconnected the spark plug lead to the engine sparkplug > before doing this. > > If you have spark and the WD-40 spray into the intake doesn't get a hit > I'm guessing you've messed up the internals of the engine. If you landed > and the rear wheel locked up for a second or otherwise caused a jerk in > the driveline maybe when the doohickey was replaced the woodruff key > slipped from the crank when the rotor was reinstalled. If that happened > and the rotor bolt was correctly torqued maybe a sudden jerk finally > caused the timing to slip by allowing the rotor to move on the end of the > crankshaft. You could also take a look at the cam timing and compare it > with the timing marks on the rotor and see if everything lines up. > > I'm gonna make a guess here that you may have some kind of internal > engine issue as the carb shouldn't get blown off the head. If the cams > are out of time maybe the intake was still open a tad when the spark plug > fired and the compression blew the carb off the head. Just another > thought. > > Do a couple of quick tests and let the list know what you find out. Then > maybe we can help you proceed. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick]

I found a little back road from RB (north of San Diego) to Ramona that I've never been on before. Lots of twistys, whoops, hairpins, beautiful countryside and "gentleperson farmer" estates. Ah yes, you found Highland Valley Rd. That is a nice road to ride on. Rick