wheel prices from ebay last spring:

[a14@att.net]

> I used two Bosch type relays wired to a pair of ATO sealed fuse holders which > terminate on the starter solenoid stud. > > The relays were fused separately to attempt to minimize the chance of a > headlight failure. Another advantage (now) is that the other lighting is still > on the original fuse so a short to the tail light, dash lights, etc. will not > affect the head light. >

[snip]

> The relays are operated from a plug which terminates in the original head light > plug. I made this plug from an old Tridon HD12 flasher which came out of my > truck. The same thing would be accomplished with a pair of spade lug connectors > but IMO the one-piece plug is more secure. >

[snip] If you are using the original headlight plug to power the relays a short to the tail light, dash lights, etc. will still affect the head light. Walt

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote:

> > High beam Vd = 0.12 volts! > > I used two Bosch type relays wired to a pair of ATO sealed fuse

holders which terminate on the starter solenoid stud. SNIP>

> The relays were sealed with ignition wire sealing spray as with

all my wiring plugs. I recommend spraying all your connectors when ever you open the area. SNIP AGAIN

> Norm

You are amazing Norm. All this research done at the KRI (Keller Research Institute)...is KHI listening? Probably not. I believe you have just hit upon another KLR plug and play farkle for someone with the patience to put it together. Q. Is this ignition sealing spray (silicone? dielectric grease?) an automotive product or do you find it at a place where they sell electrical things? The Q may sound elementary but I live 50 miles from a parts house...just like Santa, we make a list and check it twice, and THEN I call before ever thinking that it is a 'standard item'. It might be something I can buy in the big city of Aberdeen, SD (pop. 20,000) before I go home from this shift. another KLR day in South Dakota, for someone who has the day off.... revmaaatin. 911 Aberdeen Careflight

[Norm Keller]

>If you are using the original headlight plug >to power the relays a short >to the tail light, dash lights, etc. will still >affect the head light. >Walt

My whole day, yesterday, was like that! (VBG) My brain simply would not engage but I'm hoping for better today! I'm still laughing at myself from yesterday as the other thing was that I managed to wire the lights so that high and low were reversed. It was only the work of a couple of minutes to re & exchange the high and low beam terminals in the head light plug. Now I wonder what else I missed......... (LOL) Of course, you are correct. Now to try to think of a means to separate the head light circuit from the tail lights which is likely not possible without changing the head light switch which is integral with the ignition switch. I will be fun to try to think of a strategy and even more fun to review the gaffs! Thanks, (very red faced) Norm

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:35:13 -0700 "Norm Keller" writes:

> >If you are using the original headlight plug >to power the relays a > short > >to the tail light, dash lights, etc. will still >affect the head > light. > > >Walt > > > My whole day, yesterday, was like that! (VBG) My brain simply would > not > engage but I'm hoping for better today! > > I'm still laughing at myself from yesterday as the other thing was > that I > managed to wire the lights so that high and low were reversed. It > was only > the work of a couple of minutes to re & exchange the high and low > beam > terminals in the head light plug. > > Now I wonder what else I missed......... (LOL) > > Of course, you are correct. Now to try to think of a means to > separate the > head light circuit from the tail lights which is likely not possible > without > changing the head light switch which is integral with the ignition > switch. > > I will be fun to try to think of a strategy and even more fun to > review the > gaffs! > > Thanks, (very red faced) > > Norm

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Norm, The guy that isn't making any mistakes is the guy that isn't doing anything. : ) Nice work on the headlight wiring set up. I predict you will notice a positive difference on your first night ride. We used to use hair spray on ignition wires to keep them dry. In 1975 I had a VW I called "Start". Cause all you had to do was think about moisture and it wouldn't start. It took a while to figure out hair spray on the wires and distributor cap would make a huge difference in whether I was driving or thinking about driving. Heaven forbid if you got in that vehicle with wet hair after a shower, or started talking about getting a glass of water. That was a fickle machine. Best, Jeff

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:35:13 -0700 "Norm Keller" writes: SNIP

> I'm still laughing at myself from yesterday as the other thing was > that I > managed to wire the lights so that high and low were reversed. It > was only > the work of a couple of minutes to re & exchange the high and low > beam > terminals in the head light plug.

SNIP <><><><><><> <><><><><><> Norm, How about using a relay that is on if not powered. I don't remember the circuit number for sure but think it might be 87b. That way to have low beam you'd have your wiring correct already. High beam circuit would send power to your low beam relay and turn it off. Low beam circuit would send power to the high beam relay and turn it off. Then you'd have to add a relay to control power to the light circuits so that when the ignition switch was turned off both headlights wouldn't turn on. : ) Just a thought. Jeff

[Norm Keller]

>Q. Is this ignition sealing spray (silicone? >dielectric grease?) an automotive product or >do you find it at a place where they sell >electrical things?

It comes in a spray can usually marked "ignition sealer" or similar. Automotive parts stores carry the stuff. Jeff mentioned that he uses hair spray which looks like the same stuff. The only thing I wonder about is why he carries hair spray on a KLR trip........vanity I suppose. (running for cover) (giggle) Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:03:08 -0700 "Norm Keller" writes:

> >Q. Is this ignition sealing spray (silicone? >dielectric grease?) an > automotive product or >do you find it at a place where they sell > >electrical things? > > It comes in a spray can usually marked "ignition sealer" or similar. > Automotive parts stores carry the stuff. > > Jeff mentioned that he uses hair spray which looks like the same > stuff. > > The only thing I wonder about is why he carries hair spray on a KLR > trip........vanity I suppose. > > > (running for cover) (giggle) > > Norm

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Norm, Hair spray is the propellant of choice for spud guns. : ) Jeff (Who's stylist is named Helmet)

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote:

> > >Q. Is this ignition sealing spray (silicone? >dielectric grease?)

an automotive product or >do you find it at a place where they sell

>electrical things? > > It comes in a spray can usually marked "ignition sealer" or

similar. Automotive parts stores carry the stuff.

> > Jeff mentioned that he uses hair spray which looks like the same

stuff.

> > The only thing I wonder about is why he carries hair spray on a

KLR trip........vanity I suppose.

> > > (running for cover) (giggle) > > Norm

Norm, I wondered why Jeff had the hairspray in the shop when I was there the last time, but now I know. He generously carries it for the Canadian KLR riders...or was it broken-down helo pilots.... However, with one match, and a can of hairspray, you can make a pretty good torch to scare a polar bear. (It must be so, they did it on "LOST" last week.) I'll give NAPA a call and see if they have the ignition sealer. revmaaatin

>

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Oct 28, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:

> We used to use hair spray on ignition wires to keep them dry.

Wow, now there's an application for hair spray I hadn't heard of before! I'm guessing the alcohol evaporates the moisture? Would WD-40 do the same, or does the oil it leaves behind interfere too much? -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA)

[Don S]

Hi rev. You may be confusing Canadian riders with our Minnesota brothers. They aren't required to wear helmets so, they go to great lengths to ensure their bouffants are neatly coiffed. By the looks of some of them, I think they may be using epoxy based hair sprays. Seventy five mile an hour and not a hair out of place. Lookin' good I tell ya. Don revmaaatin wrote:

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > >Q. Is this ignition sealing spray (silicone? >dielectric grease?) an automotive product or >do you find it at a place where they sell >electrical things? > > It comes in a spray can usually marked "ignition sealer" or similar. Automotive parts stores carry the stuff. > > Jeff mentioned that he uses hair spray which looks like the same stuff. > > The only thing I wonder about is why he carries hair spray on a KLR trip........vanity I suppose. > > > (running for cover) (giggle) > > Norm Norm, I wondered why Jeff had the hairspray in the shop when I was there the last time, but now I know. He generously carries it for the Canadian KLR riders...or was it broken-down helo pilots.... However, with one match, and a can of hairspray, you can make a pretty good torch to scare a polar bear. (It must be so, they did it on "LOST" last week.) I'll give NAPA a call and see if they have the ignition sealer. revmaaatin > --------------------------------- Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]