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[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Wow Hedrek, we dont see to many dumb ass KLR riders, way to buck the trend mate! --- Hedrek wrote:

> > > That s the easiest question to answer > > but the hardest to accomplish: > > > > 1) Find them > > 2) Kill them > > Same for shoplifters - find them, kill them! > > Uhh, whatever happened to our proud American > tradition > of innocent until proven guilty, or at least > declaring > war against an identifiable enemy (no nouns for > enemies please)? Those drones seem to kill alot of > innocent people. A judge and a jury are good ways > to > make sure justice is done, much better than lame > accusations from the street. > > Oooopa, I think that tradition is locked up in dog > kennel in Guantanamo, or being raped in Abu Ghraib. > > > Dude, next thing you'll be promoting is that Islamic > eye for an eye thing! You know, the one where they > (the evils ones with delicate feelings, who killed > our > guys for raping, killing then burning a teenage girl > not long ago, and her family and friends, and then > covering it up). Mmmm, maybe eye-4-eye is not so > bad. > > There definitely are days that I'm happy I'm 54, > with > an expected life span of only a few years - even > shorter if I ride this KLR like a 70's dirt bike! My > poor kids - Bush's debt (they will not enjoy that > estate tax cut I'm afraid), having to learn to speak > Chinese and forced Church 5 days a week. Better > hide > a pig KLR out in the woods for them to ride too > fast, > and crash too. > > Hedrek > ABQ > > (Disclaimer - I am a public defender, a Democrat > usually, but I hate criminals, I hate cheats > (welfare, > corporate, CEO), I believe in justice and tolerance, > and I am not afraid of terrorists. I never, ever, > worry about a terrorist messing up my day. Not > because > the incompetent Bush admin. keeps me safe, but > because > very few people are really motivated to come here to > hurt me, except the asshole gangster across the > street > in the park, who I probably represent. And most > cops > are good folks and cops are generally enough to > catch > criminals - the dumb ones and the smart ones.) > > Cheers! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

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[don cain]

Ya Hedrek, Sure is stupid to have your own thoughts and opinions.....

On 8/12/06, matteeanne@... wrote: > > > Wow Hedrek, we dont see to many dumb ass KLR riders, > way to buck the trend mate! > --- Hedrek > wrote: > > > > > > That's the easiest question to answer > > > but the hardest to accomplish: > > > > > > 1) Find them > > > 2) Kill them > > > > Same for shoplifters - find them, kill them! > > > > Uhh, whatever happened to our proud American > > tradition > > of innocent until proven guilty, or at least > > declaring > > war against an identifiable enemy (no nouns for > > enemies please)? Those drones seem to kill alot of > > innocent people. A judge and a jury are good ways > > to > > make sure justice is done, much better than lame > > accusations from the street. > > > > Oooopa, I think that tradition is locked up in dog > > kennel in Guantanamo, or being raped in Abu Ghraib. > > > > > > Dude, next thing you'll be promoting is that Islamic > > eye for an eye thing! You know, the one where they > > (the evils ones with delicate feelings, who killed > > our > > guys for raping, killing then burning a teenage girl > > not long ago, and her family and friends, and then > > covering it up). Mmmm, maybe eye-4-eye is not so > > bad. > > > > There definitely are days that I'm happy I'm 54, > > with > > an expected life span of only a few years - even > > shorter if I ride this KLR like a 70's dirt bike! My > > poor kids - Bush's debt (they will not enjoy that > > estate tax cut I'm afraid), having to learn to speak > > Chinese and forced Church 5 days a week. Better > > hide > > a pig KLR out in the woods for them to ride too > > fast, > > and crash too. > > > > Hedrek > > ABQ > > > > (Disclaimer - I am a public defender, a Democrat > > usually, but I hate criminals, I hate cheats > > (welfare, > > corporate, CEO), I believe in justice and tolerance, > > and I am not afraid of terrorists. I never, ever, > > worry about a terrorist messing up my day. Not > > because > > the incompetent Bush admin. keeps me safe, but > > because > > very few people are really motivated to come here to > > hurt me, except the asshole gangster across the > > street > > in the park, who I probably represent. And most > > cops > > are good folks and cops are generally enough to > > catch > > criminals - the dumb ones and the smart ones.) > > > > Cheers! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Sean Brown > International Order of the KLR. > "yeh, unto the ride, the thumper, yeh, and it was good, and thine did > rejoice" amen > matteeanne@... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- --My greatest fear in life is not death, but waking up one morning ordinary and predictable. The rest of the FreeCycle(tm) story here: http://tinyurl.com/ad2lc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[M.Matthews]

> >> What would YOU do to keep terrorists off of > airplanes???? We > >> would all like to know..

I would make energy independence the #1 national priority. I would not consider drilling for more oil to be the long-term solution and I would not support damaging the planet to obtain oil or any other energy source. If this country seriously made energy independence the #1 priority I believe we could quickly eliminate our dependence on foreign energy sources. It would be revolutionary and would radically change the world for the better I believe. -Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[WILLAM GILMORE]

This thinking spells out why I think we can never win this war and our children and ourselves will never again live without the threat of some kind of disaster hanging over our heads. It assumes that our military can defeat this enemy if only we torture more of those who we suspect are. It assumes that our shores will be protected against each and every attempt to poison our water supply, spread a deadly virus among thousands or even millions of people, or detonate a nuclear weapon in one of our cities, if only we torture and abuse more prisoners. It further assumes that we'll win public support among Muslims and decrease the number of those who want to harm us if only we torture and abuse more prisoners. It might even assume the outrageous belief that by torturing and abusing prisoners we'll make Muslim extremists (suicide bombers and alike) afraid of us and our military. Will (from the sticks of Wisconsin) Blake Sobiloff wrote:

On Aug 11, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Hedrek wrote: > Uhh, whatever happened to our proud American tradition > of innocent until proven guilty, There has never been such a "tradition" for those we've declared war against. That tradition is a civil one, and war is not a civil matter. And, yes, Congress formally declared war against Al-Quaida, the Taliban, and all others who were involved in 9/11. Even better, since our enemies are not uniformed enemies they are not accorded the Geneva or Hague Conventions, despite the desire by some to extend such to them. See Article 1 of the Hague Convention http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/hague02.htm> for the insignia requirement. > Dude, next thing you'll be promoting is that Islamic > eye for an eye thing! You know, the one where they > (the evils ones with delicate feelings, who killed our > guys for raping, killing then burning a teenage girl > not long ago, and her family and friends, and then > covering it up). Mmmm, maybe eye-4-eye is not so bad. I don't believe that the soldiers who have been accused of the rape and murder (referred to as the Mahmudiyah incident ) have been proven guilty in a court of law (hey, that's your preference, right?). What happened to presumed innocent? Where's the decision of the judge and jury? Frankly, I'm much more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to those poor SOB's who've put their lives on the line to protect my butt here at home. God Bless them all. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA) --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger s low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> > This thinking spells out why I think we can never win this war and

our children and ourselves will never again live without the threat of some kind of disaster hanging over our heads. It assumes that our military can defeat this enemy if only we torture more of those who we suspect are. It assumes that our shores will be protected against each and every attempt to poison our water supply, spread a deadly virus among thousands or even millions of people, or detonate a nuclear weapon in one of our cities, if only we torture and abuse more prisoners. It further assumes that we'll win public support among Muslims and decrease the number of those who want to harm us if only we torture and abuse more prisoners. It might even assume the outrageous belief that by torturing and abusing prisoners we'll make Muslim extremists (suicide bombers and alike) afraid of us and our military.

> > Will (from the sticks of Wisconsin) >

Hi Will, Which (or whose) argument offers substantiation for uncontrolled torture? I have read the thread, and do not see anyone suggesting this. Not that I disagree with your statement, only looking for attribution to your premise. It is easy to visualize others in power, and without much if ever, danger of being tortured themselves that exist outside of this thread/forum would easily suggest this. I fully agree with you that torture does not make anyone afraid, it does however, add names to the list of martyrs, and martyrs fuel the flame of resistance. revmaaatin. If it were not for farmers and ranchers planting shelterbelts aka windbreaks, we would not be-in or be-from "the sticks" On the other hand, we do have an average of 16+mph wind. The locals say it "Drives out the riff-raff. So far, it has not worked on me.

[Hedrek]

My first thought after 911, if I were a terrorist, with a bunch of suicide ready guys, would have been to send 10 guys with machine guns to 10 malls spread all over the US. Sticking with planes is stupid. Strike were people live, make people afraid to go to the mall - ie afraid to leave the house. Low tech, simple, leads to HSA screeners at every mall in America, and a lock down on guns. If you're willing to play their game that is. You can't be totally safe when people are willing to die for their cause. Better to find a way to make the world a good, fair place for all. Hedrek ABQ --- "M.Matthews" wrote:

> > >> What would YOU do to keep terrorists off of > > airplanes???? We > > >> would all like to know.. > > > I would make energy independence the #1 national > priority. > > I would not consider drilling for more oil to be the > long-term solution and I would not support damaging > the planet to obtain oil or any other energy source. > > If this country seriously made energy independence > the > #1 priority I believe we could quickly eliminate our > dependence on foreign energy sources. It would be > revolutionary and would radically change the world > for > the better I believe. > > -Mike > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

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[Mike Frey]

But Tom Clancy beat you to the novel with "The Teeth of the Tiger". In an interview shortly after 9/11, he said that his publisher told him that if he had written a plot like what happened with the WTC towers, he would have been told that the story line was so far out as to be totally unbelievable.

----- Original Message ----- From: Hedrek To: M.Matthews ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? My first thought after 911, if I were a terrorist, with a bunch of suicide ready guys, would have been to send 10 guys with machine guns to 10 malls spread all over the US.

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Aug 12, 2006, at 6:50 AM, WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> This thinking spells out why I think we can never win this war and > our children and ourselves will never again live without the threat > of some kind of disaster hanging over our heads. It assumes that > our military can defeat this enemy if only we torture more of those > who we suspect are.

Will, I carefully re-read my comments and can't find anything that even hints at advocating torture. (It sounds like the Rev. couldn't find anything, either.) And, frankly, our enemy has no concept of the Geneva or Hague conventions. They love to capture civilians, torture them for a few days, then behead them on film to promote their "glorious war." They love to hide behind women and children as they fire their rockets, then line up the bodies of their human shields as they parade an obliging press around, crying "woe is me! my dear wife who did nothing was murdered by those horrible, out of control soldiers!" They love to slaughter school children (Russia), commuters on trains on their way to work (Spain), diners at a sidewalk cafe (Israel), farmers in the fields (Philippines), ad nauseam. Conversely, our prisoners get three hots and a cot, regular exercise, prayer as often as they wish, and guards who have gone through extensive sensitivity training so as to not offend the prisoners' sensibilities (proper handling of a Koran, etc.). They get the best medical care in the world, and most have gained significant weight and are in better health than at any other time in their lives. I believe it is extremely dangerous to believe that we can just "be nice" and the problem will go away. It won't. They hate us because we treat our women with respect and we have comparatively lavish lifestyles. They hate us because we don't believe in God exactly the way they do, and they believe that they must either convert us or kill us. Everything else is pretense. Heck, Suunis and Shiites, who ostensibly worship the same God and follow the same Prophet, are busy calling each other infidels and killing each other. They can't tolerate minute differences in interpretation of the same religion; how could Jews and Gentiles (or Buddhists, atheists, etc.) ever survive in such an environment? Well, enough political stuff from me that most probably are sick of hearing anyway. I'm off to farkle my bike and maybe even get a nice ride in. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Matt Knowles]

This is why you shouldn't discuss politics or religion on an email list not dedicated to either subject. These attacks are just getting too personal for my taste. By the way, it should be: We don't see too many dumb ass KLR riders I guess I'll start filtering the NKLR messages.

On Aug 12, 2006, at 2:05 AM, wrote: > > Wow Hedrek, we dont see to many dumb ass KLR riders, > way to buck the trend mate! > --- Hedrek wrote: > >> >>> That s the easiest question to answer >>> but the hardest to accomplish: >>> >>> 1) Find them >>> 2) Kill them >> >> Same for shoplifters - find them, kill them! >> >> Uhh, whatever happened to our proud American >> tradition >> of innocent until proven guilty, or at least >> declaring >> war against an identifiable enemy (no nouns for >> enemies please)? Those drones seem to kill alot of >> innocent people. A judge and a jury are good ways >> to >> make sure justice is done, much better than lame >> accusations from the street. >> >> Oooopa, I think that tradition is locked up in dog >> kennel in Guantanamo, or being raped in Abu Ghraib. >> >> >> Dude, next thing you'll be promoting is that Islamic >> eye for an eye thing! You know, the one where they >> (the evils ones with delicate feelings, who killed >> our >> guys for raping, killing then burning a teenage girl >> not long ago, and her family and friends, and then >> covering it up). Mmmm, maybe eye-4-eye is not so >> bad. >> >> There definitely are days that I'm happy I'm 54, >> with >> an expected life span of only a few years - even >> shorter if I ride this KLR like a 70's dirt bike! My >> poor kids - Bush's debt (they will not enjoy that >> estate tax cut I'm afraid), having to learn to speak >> Chinese and forced Church 5 days a week. Better >> hide >> a pig KLR out in the woods for them to ride too >> fast, >> and crash too. >> >> Hedrek >> ABQ >> >> (Disclaimer - I am a public defender, a Democrat >> usually, but I hate criminals, I hate cheats >> (welfare, >> corporate, CEO), I believe in justice and tolerance, >> and I am not afraid of terrorists. I never, ever, >> worry about a terrorist messing up my day. Not >> because >> the incompetent Bush admin. keeps me safe, but >> because >> very few people are really motivated to come here to >> hurt me, except the asshole gangster across the >> street >> in the park, who I probably represent. And most >> cops >> are good folks and cops are generally enough to >> catch >> criminals - the dumb ones and the smart ones.) >> >> Cheers! >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > Sean Brown > International Order of the KLR. > "yeh, unto the ride, the thumper, yeh, and it was good, and thine did > rejoice" amen > matteeanne@... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > Matt Knowles Aesthetic Design & Photography - www.aestheticdesign.com - (707) 786-4643

[Donald Dickerson]

I agree with Matt. We may all be KLR owners, but aside from that we're all kinds of people here. Discussion of politics and religion amongst a diverse group of people is a good way to divide and disperse that group. Let's keep that stuff outta here. Don -- - Matt Knowles wrote:

> This is why you shouldn't discuss politics or religion on an email > list > not dedicated to either subject. These attacks are just getting too > personal for my taste. > > By the way, it should be: > > We don't see too many dumb ass KLR riders > > I guess I'll start filtering the NKLR messages. > > On Aug 12, 2006, at 2:05 AM, wrote: > > > > > Wow Hedrek, we dont see to many dumb ass KLR riders, > > way to buck the trend mate! > > --- Hedrek wrote: > > > >> > >>> That s the easiest question to answer > >>> but the hardest to accomplish: > >>> > >>> 1) Find them > >>> 2) Kill them > >> > >> Same for shoplifters - find them, kill them! > >> > >> Uhh, whatever happened to our proud American > >> tradition > >> of innocent until proven guilty, or at least > >> declaring > >> war against an identifiable enemy (no nouns for > >> enemies please)? Those drones seem to kill alot of > >> innocent people. A judge and a jury are good ways > >> to > >> make sure justice is done, much better than lame > >> accusations from the street. > >> > >> Oooopa, I think that tradition is locked up in dog > >> kennel in Guantanamo, or being raped in Abu Ghraib. > >> > >> > >> Dude, next thing you'll be promoting is that Islamic > >> eye for an eye thing! You know, the one where they > >> (the evils ones with delicate feelings, who killed > >> our > >> guys for raping, killing then burning a teenage girl > >> not long ago, and her family and friends, and then > >> covering it up). Mmmm, maybe eye-4-eye is not so > >> bad. > >> > >> There definitely are days that I'm happy I'm 54, > >> with > >> an expected life span of only a few years - even > >> shorter if I ride this KLR like a 70's dirt bike! My > >> poor kids - Bush's debt (they will not enjoy that > >> estate tax cut I'm afraid), having to learn to speak > >> Chinese and forced Church 5 days a week. Better > >> hide > >> a pig KLR out in the woods for them to ride too > >> fast, > >> and crash too. > >> > >> Hedrek > >> ABQ > >> > >> (Disclaimer - I am a public defender, a Democrat > >> usually, but I hate criminals, I hate cheats > >> (welfare, > >> corporate, CEO), I believe in justice and tolerance, > >> and I am not afraid of terrorists. I never, ever, > >> worry about a terrorist messing up my day. Not > >> because > >> the incompetent Bush admin. keeps me safe, but > >> because > >> very few people are really motivated to come here to > >> hurt me, except the asshole gangster across the > >> street > >> in the park, who I probably represent. And most > >> cops > >> are good folks and cops are generally enough to > >> catch > >> criminals - the dumb ones and the smart ones.) > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > Sean Brown > > International Order of the KLR. > > "yeh, unto the ride, the thumper, yeh, and it was good, and thine > did > > rejoice" amen > > matteeanne@... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt Knowles > Aesthetic Design & Photography - www.aestheticdesign.com - (707) > 786-4643 > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

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