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James A III
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Post by James A III » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:16 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote:
> > $2.00 for a bottled water? Cheap. I just paid $5.25 for a Dodger
dog and
> $4.50 for a Coke at the LA Dodgers baseball game. Oh, and $10 to park. > > But then again, no one forced me to go. > > Just like your airline flight. > > Jeff A20
Remember the "bailouts"? Last I looked I was already payin' for part of the flying publics security, fuel, aircraft, maintanence, airline executive bonuses, airline bankruptcy lawyer fees with my tax bill. As are we all. No one forced me to fly, and I haven't in three years, but I'm payin' for this crap anyway. Government sponsored mass transit of any form is a BAD IDEA. When people opt to not fly due to further security involvement the airlines who are on the bubble anyway need to die. Those who fly need to bear the true cost of their travel w/o subsidies. Who needs airtravel when you've got a KLR anyway??

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Post by jokerloco9@aol.com » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:20 am

Ah, apparently you don't read the news. Isn't using jet airliners exactly what the suspects in Britain were going to try??? And to say that the security checks don't work because they haven't caught any terrorists is meaningless. We will never know if and how many potential attacks have been stopped because of the increased security checks. Maybe none as you say. Perhaps some. At the same time, I don't like the Nazi state that this turns us into. But these are the times we live in. We are at war. And I bet there will be plenty of complainers and "security consultants" saying that the government did not do enough when something happens again. Notice I did not say "if" it happens again. We are only at the beginning of a war that will take perhaps decades. Just ask Isreal if there is any end to these idiots. Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: eric@... To: Jokerloco9@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me?
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:29:06 -0700, wrote: > You are about 75% full of nonsense. I suspect that there is some > political > nonsense going on in the airport security, like anything political. > But if we follow your advice and arrive at the logical conclusion that > the > airport security doesn't do anything, then let's just stop the security > checks, > and see what happens. How many terrorists have been caught by the airport security checks? One? Two? One hundred? One thousand? Uhm, no. ZERO. Al Qaeda isn't interested in using jet airplanes as part of a terrorist attack anymore. Been there, done that, got the smoking hole in the ground to prove it. I have no doubt that Osama is working up another terrorist attack. But I am 99.99% certain that it will not involve jet airliners. Or small boats pulling up alongside U.S. navy ships. Or truck bombs driven into embassies. Or Ryder trucks left in garages. Osama never does anything twice. The Pakistani gang in Britain was a home-grown bunch of idiots whose "plot" was right out of a MacGyver episode. Osama knows that the results of any attempt to hijack a jet airliner today will *not* be a new 9/11 because nobody is going to just sit around and let their jet be crashed into a monument like they did on 9/11. The deal with Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) shows just how effective terrorism is now that people know they'll die anyhow if they let the terrorists hijack a plane. Hint: He had a dozen people sitting on him as soon as the stewardess noticed him trying to light up his shoe. Note that I have never recommended doing away with the security checks altogether. But use common sense, for cryin' out loud. The current over-reaction to the British toothpaste bombers breaks so many different rules of effective security that I couldn't list them all even if I wanted to spread that knowledge around for free (which I don't, for a number of reasons). > Maybe we can get you a full time job as an airline Marshal or flight > attendant on the U.S. to Britain flights > Can I buy a life insurance policy on you? Sorry, I'm way past the age where I'm interested in a job that has me on my feet all day. Been there, done that, got the flat feet to show it. Nowdays I figure out ways to improve security systems, and leave the flat foot stuff to younger folk. Remember the first rule of security: They really ARE out to get you. But generally the real bad guys (as vs. the wannabes) aren't going to be subtle about it. No nonsense about tricky titrations on a moving jet airliner. The notion that these dipsticks were going to make HDMT on a moving plane pretty much puts them into the "wannabe" category, the category that the cops always catch because they're all talk and no go. Remember, 9/11 was done with box cutters. In the meantime, I'll ride my KLR rather than a jet airliner. But not because of the terrorists, but, rather, because it's just too much hassle to fly. Luckily I don't have to fly. I pity the poor folks who have no choice. -E ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by jokerloco9@aol.com » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:20 am

Remember it is the trains that they like to blow up in Europe. We shoulld all ride motorcycles. Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: pentax@... To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? I took a long train trip not too long ago, no searching, no officious nitwits, it was nice. If these terrorists keep at it, we'll all be back on the rails. DC keithrstone wrote:
> I too was sick to realize how many bombs etc can be made out of > items that could be easily carried on. > > It's about time they do something about it. I agree with the > changes and will comply. > > As for being "tidied" over... if I can't go 4 hours without food or > drink then flying is the least of my problems. > > Everyone has a "vote" if they like a change or not.... if you like > it then do patronize the business, if not..... then don't. > > Keith > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "Blake Sobiloff" > wrote: > > > > OK, the TSA has officially lost its mind. Not that they had much > to > > begin with, but the latest round of "security upgrades" make me > sick. > > I can't even bring a bottle of water on the plane with me, but some > > terorrist with a rent-a-baby can smuggle who-knows-what in a > bottle as > > long as it has a nipple on it?! Give me a freakin' break. > > > > Of course, the commercial airlines are salivating over the > opportunity > > to quit giving away the 2 ounces of soda and the 5-cent bags of > > peanuts per passenger. They now have a captive audience that is > being > > strip searched by minimum wage goons with Federal government > badges to > > ensure that they don't bring any food or drink on board. Hello, > > profit center! Soon we'll be gratefully paying $10 for a few sips > of > > water and a small bag of peanuts to tide us over for the next four > > hours. Passengers will be doing their best Oliver Twist > > impersonations within a week ("Please, sir, may I have some more?") > > while the airlines start posting profits that the oil companies > envy. > > > > Frugal passengers will be met by armed Local Authorities for > sipping > > water from the lav faucets, illegally circumventing the > > Federally-guaranteed monopoly on drink service on-board. Movie > > theaters will soon be lobbying congress for similar protection and > > trying to find the local Hezbullah chapter to see if they woudn't > be > > willing to scare a few folks at the Sunday mantanee to help smooth > the > > deal. > > > > (And what do you want to bet I'm going to start seeing the "SSSS" > on > > my boarding passes after posting this rant? I believe it stands > for > > "Strip Search the Stuipd Sucker".) > > > > I give up. > > > > Anyone else want to buy into a private plane? I'm thinkin' a 182 > RG > > with a turbo and oxygen. Sure, it's not as fast as a 737, but 120+ > > knot cruise speed ain't bad. Plus, it'll buy me four hours on > every > > trip as I won't have to spend two hours at the airport dealing with > > security prior to each leg. Heck, I'll probably even be able to > land > > closer to my clients! > > > > -- > > Blake Sobiloff > > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/ http://sobiloff.typepad.com/>> > > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/ > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/>> > > San Jose, CA (USA) > > > >
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Matt Knowles

nklr: anyone want to buy a plane with me?

Post by Matt Knowles » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:10 am

On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:16 AM, James A III wrote:
> Who needs airtravel when you've got a KLR anyway?
Yeah, just a couple of pontoons and a paddle wheel should get you across the Atlantic. Gas mileage might be a problem though. Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA) '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned

Mike Frey
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Post by Mike Frey » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:11 am

I want to buy an airplane! Probably will, at some future point. The allure of flying is as powerful as the desire to ride bikes, just quite a bit more expensive. How many list members would be willing to be subjected to retinal scans for confirmation of your identity, background, etc., assuming that the result is safer travel and more efficient passage through security? Mike 1 hour from FAA checkride

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Post by Bob D » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:28 am

Will there be an airmiles scheme? ;-) Bob. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Frey To: KLR List DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, 11 August, 2006 4:11:15 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? I want to buy an airplane! Probably will, at some future point. The allure of flying is as powerful as the desire to ride bikes, just quite a bit more expensive. How many list members would be willing to be subjected to retinal scans for confirmation of your identity, background, etc., assuming that the result is safer travel and more efficient passage through security? Mike 1 hour from FAA checkride [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by stevedyer@cox.net » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:30 am

James, I'm thinking inexpensive and rapid continental and intercontinental travel is one of the linchpins that sustains the world's continued economic development. I tend to believe that certain public-benefit functions are so inherently valuable to the well-being of the populace that they should enjoy public financial support if necessary - Interstate highways, a solid military, libraries, public schools, etc. But, if the decision to support these functions was left to individual citizens many would choose to not fund them because they feel they don't personally benefit from them. There are retirees in my city who publicly chafe at the thought of their taxes going to fund the public schools - from their perspective they're not getting any benefit from it. Seems to me this is 'well, I don't use it' approach is not really reasonable. Are there excesses? Yes. Are there inefficiently run public works or subsidies for private enterprises? Yes. But for the bulk of these supported functions there is national interest in maintaining the infrastructure, such as the airlines. What if the commercial phone system was not profitable? Or medical care? Just let them shrivel and disappear? Should everyone in the country have a line-item tax payment form that lets them elect to not pay taxes toward the public services/government programs they do not approve of or feel they do not use? I'd like to see these people live in the resulting country where everyone felt the same way and put their own personal interests first. Better round up a horse, cause there won't be any public transportation infrastructure to bitch about. No postal service, no law enforcement, no public education or legal system. Without those fundamental anchors of modern society/commercial stability there won't be enough economic activity to sustain wages for everyone, so there won't be money to -not- pay taxes with. Steve ---- James A III wrote: Remember the "bailouts"? Last I looked I was already payin' for part of the flying publics security, fuel, aircraft, maintanence, airline executive bonuses, airline bankruptcy lawyer fees with my tax bill. As are we all. No one forced me to fly, and I haven't in three years, but I'm payin' for this crap anyway. Government sponsored mass transit of any form is a BAD IDEA. When people opt to not fly due to further security involvement the airlines who are on the bubble anyway need to die. Those who fly need to bear the true cost of their travel w/o subsidies. Who needs airtravel when you've got a KLR anyway?? Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links

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Post by Michael Silverstein » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:43 am

Sure, why not. I'd fly naked too if it got me to my destination faster. Mike A18 KLR650 tires page: [www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcy ... r650/tires] -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Frey Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:11 AM To: KLR List Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? How many list members would be willing to be subjected to retinal scans for confirmation of your identity, background, etc., assuming that the result is safer travel and more efficient passage through security? . HYPERLINK "http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714&grpId=488385&grpspId=1600126262&ms gId=160973&stime=1155309112" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by jokerloco9@aol.com » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:19 am

So I guess speed limits and stop signs are too limiting to your personal liberties? It is very easy to complain about something. It is much harder to find a solution to a problem. I hate the government as much as anybody. Try to travel with a target gun. I gave up. What would YOU do to keep terrorists off of airplanes???? We would all like to know.. Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: mike21b@... To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? I want to buy an airplane! Probably will, at some future point. The allure of flying is as powerful as the desire to ride bikes, just quite a bit more expensive. How many list members would be willing to be subjected to retinal scans for confirmation of your identity, background, etc., assuming that the result is safer travel and more efficient passage through security? Mike 1 hour from FAA checkride ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by Michael Silverstein » Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:26 pm

I took Mike's post to indicate that he was indeed suggesting retinal scans as a way to keep terrorists off airplanes, and was not not complaining, but I could be wrong. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jokerloco9@... Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:18 PM To: mike21b@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? So I guess speed limits and stop signs are too limiting to your personal liberties? It is very easy to complain about something. It is much harder to find a solution to a problem. I hate the government as much as anybody. Try to travel with a target gun. I gave up. What would YOU do to keep terrorists off of airplanes???-? We would all like to know.. Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:mike21b%40dejazzd.com"mike21b@dejazzd.-com To: HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_klr650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_klr650@... Sent: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR: Anyone want to buy a plane with me? I want to buy an airplane! Probably will, at some future point. The allure of flying is as powerful as the desire to ride bikes, just quite a bit more expensive. How many list members would be willing to be subjected to retinal scans for confirmation of your identity, background, etc., assuming that the result is safer travel and more efficient passage through security? Mike 1 hour from FAA checkride ____________-_________-_________-_________-_________-_________-_ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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