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[monahanwb]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" wrote:

> > > It was a bare bones Goldwing........

(Which reminds me of an Army marching song - Marshall,

> are you reading this!? Although, maybe you Cav. guys didn't walk

anywhere.

> "...my weapon's for pleasure, my gun is for fun...whoa, whoa,

whoa,

> whoa... etc., etc.")

I think it goes something like this...."this is my weapon, this is my gun. This one's for killing, this one's for fun". Bill (4-F'd, 1970 due to a car accident, bought my first bike, and R60, with the insurance settlement)

[Guest]

Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT address the problem of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the motorcycle MORE perfect by eliminating the problem with the doohicky?????? What is thier problem? do they want thier customers to absorb the cost of what they would spend in correcting the problem, or are they just lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting skyrider053@..., or by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central texas" forum.

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

The answer may lie in the legal world. If Kawi makes a change, that is like admitting that there was a problem. And that my open themselves up to a lawsuit. But you need to keep in mind that this list is a very skewed sample of KLR owners. How many KLR's have been sold in the last 20 years? My guess is hundreds of thousands. How many engines have been damaged by this problem? My guess is no more than a few hundred??? And I think I am being generous. How many guys here with 20,000+ miles and no problems chime in on this list with "so what is a doohickey"? Yes, I know Eagle Mike can produce perhaps hundreds of damaged doohickey and spring parts. But how many destroyed an engine? I suspect very few. Most guys have to search for the broken parts with a magnet in the sump. Remember, just because the spring broke or the doohickey broke, doesn't guarantee imminent engine failure. Usually a lot of noise. But it can happen, no doubt. Yes, it can cause a catastrophic engine failure, but how many have there been? I have been on this list about 2 years, and I only recall reading about, what, maybe 3???? Is anybody keeping any statistics?? Wasn't there a major failure of an engine last week due to some part of the clutch shaft? By the way, I installed an Eagle Mike doohickey and spring a few months ago, and it is very nice. Quieted the bike down. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Hedrek]

This one is a mystery to me. I thinks someone mentioned the other day that acknowledging the problem would open them up to alot of recall fixing. Easier to let those obsessive KLR guys have doohickey parties and enjoy the fix themselves. Doohickey question. The spring just hold the balancer shaft in position during adjustment right, then it's clamped down at the doohickey? Vibration breaks the doohickey itself? and the spring just goes limp over time? --- Michael McSpadden wrote:

> Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT > address the problem > of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the > motorcycle MORE > perfect by eliminating the problem with the > doohicky?????? > What is thier problem? do they want thier customers > to absorb the cost > of what they would spend in correcting the problem, > or are they just > lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting > skyrider053@..., or > by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central > texas" forum. > > > > > > >

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[Brent Tegler]

Yeah!!! and why doesn't Kawasaki just............... 1. Put a stronger brake on the front? 2. Use progressive fork springs? 3. Turn the idle mixture screw out one more half turn? 4. Use a stronger shift lever? 5. Make the headlight brighter? 6. etc Anyone care to add to the list..... ________________________________ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hedrek Sent: August 11, 2006 2:55 PM To: Michael McSpadden; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] why? This one is a mystery to me. I thinks someone mentioned the other day that acknowledging the problem would open them up to alot of recall fixing. Easier to let those obsessive KLR guys have doohickey parties and enjoy the fix themselves. Doohickey question. The spring just hold the balancer shaft in position during adjustment right, then it's clamped down at the doohickey? Vibration breaks the doohickey itself? and the spring just goes limp over time? --- Michael McSpadden > wrote:

> Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT > address the problem > of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the > motorcycle MORE > perfect by eliminating the problem with the > doohicky?????? > What is thier problem? do they want thier customers > to absorb the cost > of what they would spend in correcting the problem, > or are they just > lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting > skyrider053@... , or > by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central > texas" forum. > > > > > > >

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[keithrstone]

I'm willing to bet that Kawa doesn't make these changes: because they don't need to. Their worldwide market must not demand it. Keith

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Brent Tegler" wrote: > > Yeah!!! and why doesn't Kawasaki just............... > > > > 1. Put a stronger brake on the front? > 2. Use progressive fork springs? > 3. Turn the idle mixture screw out one more half turn? > 4. Use a stronger shift lever? > 5. Make the headlight brighter? > 6. etc > > > > Anyone care to add to the list..... > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Hedrek > Sent: August 11, 2006 2:55 PM > To: Michael McSpadden; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] why? > > > > > This one is a mystery to me. I thinks someone > mentioned the other day that acknowledging the problem > would open them up to alot of recall fixing. Easier > to let those obsessive KLR guys have doohickey parties > and enjoy the fix themselves. > > Doohickey question. The spring just hold the balancer > shaft in position during adjustment right, then it's > clamped down at the doohickey? Vibration breaks the > doohickey itself? and the spring just goes limp over > time? > > --- Michael McSpadden > wrote: > > > Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT > > address the problem > > of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the > > motorcycle MORE > > perfect by eliminating the problem with the > > doohicky?????? > > What is thier problem? do they want thier customers > > to absorb the cost > > of what they would spend in correcting the problem, > > or are they just > > lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting > > skyrider053@... , or > > by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central > > texas" forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Michael Silverstein]

Sorry but why should they do anything? There's very little competition in this market segment and they already sell all the KLRs they can make. The only reason to improve the bike would be to appeal to a broader target market demographic and we all know there are fewer potential customers for dual sport bikes than cruisers and sport bikes so Kawasaki's money is better spent investing in those segments. Mike A18 KLR650 tires page: [www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcy ... r650/tires] -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Tegler Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 3:21 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] why? Yeah!!! and why doesn't Kawasaki just........-....... 1. Put a stronger brake on the front? 2. Use progressive fork springs? 3. Turn the idle mixture screw out one more half turn? 4. Use a stronger shift lever? 5. Make the headlight brighter? 6. etc Anyone care to add to the list..... ____________-_________-_________-__ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@... [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@...] On Behalf Of Hedrek Sent: August 11, 2006 2:55 PM To: Michael McSpadden; HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] why? This one is a mystery to me. I thinks someone mentioned the other day that acknowledging the problem would open them up to alot of recall fixing. Easier to let those obsessive KLR guys have doohickey parties and enjoy the fix themselves. Doohickey question. The spring just hold the balancer shaft in position during adjustment right, then it's clamped down at the doohickey? Vibration breaks the doohickey itself? and the spring just goes limp over time? --- Michael McSpadden > wrote:

> Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT > address the problem > of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the > motorcycle MORE > perfect by eliminating the problem with the > doohicky????-?? > What is thier problem? do they want thier customers > to absorb the cost > of what they would spend in correcting the problem, > or are they just > lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting > HYPERLINK "mailto:skyrider053%40yahoo.com"skyrider053@...

, or

> by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central > texas" forum. > > > > > > >

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[usa1911a1]

My doohickey was in good shape except there was an indentation in the area when the clamping shaft held it. In addition the spring itself was broken just inboard of the hook on the end. In other words my doohicky was there but doing nothing since the spring broke. Mine is a 2006 and at the time it had 3000 miles on it. Thank you Bobby Chay for the doohickey party a couple months back. Captain Bob in CT.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hedrek" To: "Michael McSpadden" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] why? > > This one is a mystery to me. I thinks someone > mentioned the other day that acknowledging the problem > would open them up to alot of recall fixing. Easier > to let those obsessive KLR guys have doohickey parties > and enjoy the fix themselves. > > Doohickey question. The spring just hold the balancer > shaft in position during adjustment right, then it's > clamped down at the doohickey? Vibration breaks the > doohickey itself? and the spring just goes limp over > time? > > > --- Michael McSpadden wrote: > > > Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT > > address the problem > > of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the > > motorcycle MORE > > perfect by eliminating the problem with the > > doohicky?????? > > What is thier problem? do they want thier customers > > to absorb the cost > > of what they would spend in correcting the problem, > > or are they just > > lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting > > skyrider053@..., or > > by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central > > texas" forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[kestrelfal]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Silverstein" wrote:

> > Sorry but why should they do anything? There's very little competition > in this market segment and they already sell all the KLRs they can make. > The only reason to improve the bike would be to appeal to a broader > target market demographic and we all know there are fewer potential > customers for dual sport bikes than cruisers and sport bikes so > Kawasaki's money is better spent investing in those segments. > > Mike A18

WHY SHOULD THEY DO ANYTHING? YOU'RE KIDDING? Simply, because the lever, spring and mechanism don't work;...... i.e., the lever, spring and mechanism *lose their function prematurely*;......i.e., the lever deforms or breaks, the spring breaks, and the mechanism won't adjust. Something seems defective here, doesn't it? Would an auto manufacturer do nothing? That's what part updates, or T.S.B.'s, or recall's are for. Someone at Kawasaki deserves some knob tracks and a good spanking. Fred

[Darren Clark]

If they did that they'd have to change the name from KLR650 to GS650, maybe put a BMW logo on it! Brent Tegler wrote:

> Yeah!!! and why doesn't Kawasaki just........ ....... > > 1. Put a stronger brake on the front? > 2. Use progressive fork springs? > 3. Turn the idle mixture screw out one more half turn? > 4. Use a stronger shift lever? > 5. Make the headlight brighter? > 6. etc > > Anyone care to add to the list..... > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro > ups.com ] On > Behalf Of Hedrek > Sent: August 11, 2006 2:55 PM > To: Michael McSpadden; DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] why? > > This one is a mystery to me. I thinks someone > mentioned the other day that acknowledging the problem > would open them up to alot of recall fixing. Easier > to let those obsessive KLR guys have doohickey parties > and enjoy the fix themselves. > > Doohickey question. The spring just hold the balancer > shaft in position during adjustment right, then it's > clamped down at the doohickey? Vibration breaks the > doohickey itself? and the spring just goes limp over > time? > > --- Michael McSpadden > > wrote: > > > Why does the manufacturer of these motorcycles NOT > > address the problem > > of the balancer adjuster doohicky, and make the > > motorcycle MORE > > perfect by eliminating the problem with the > > doohicky???? ?? > > What is thier problem? do they want thier customers > > to absorb the cost > > of what they would spend in correcting the problem, > > or are they just > > lazy??/Answers can be directed by contacting > > skyrider053@ yahoo.com > , or > > by posting an answer on klr650.net in the "central > > texas" forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail. yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com> http://mail. yahoo.com > http://mail.yahoo.com>> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

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