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[Steve Gochenour]

I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this weekend and I want to buy a KLR650. There is one in my area and have some questions about a few items he added to the bike which is why he is asking higher than KBB retail value: Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front fork from wobbling on the interstate? Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how much does it lower the bike and what effect does it have on the bike?) Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference to the value. Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be much more than $150? The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go lower but that is what he is asking. Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of these items? Are they worth the money? Thanks for the help. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kestrelfal]

Naa. Accessories should have little $ value to a buyer, unless you really gotta have them; from a buyers standpoint better to value @ $0 and get 'em for free. Keep looking. KBB is great for sellers, sucks for buyers. Remember, the books are only a price *guide*. Personally I stay away from sellers who start high. Many times they're just unreasonable and it's just easier to move on ~ that is if you're price conscious. Then again, sometimes it's just easier in the long run to spend the bucks and go have fun. My two cents. Fred --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Gochenour" wrote:

> > I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this weekend and I want

to buy a

> KLR650. There is one in my area and have some questions about a few

items

> he added to the bike which is why he is asking higher than KBB

retail value:

> > > > Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front fork from > wobbling on the interstate? > > Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how much

does it

> lower the bike and what effect does it have on the bike?) > > Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference to the > value. > > Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be

much more

> than $150? > > > > The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go lower but that

is what

> he is asking. > > > > Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of these items? Are

they worth

> the money? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jim Link]

I am selling my 05 KLR, I have had some say that I am priced too high. $4300.00 OBO,( because everyone i've met won't pay asking price, they must talk you down, or they feel like they got screwed) I really only want $4000.00. that is NADA value, KBB is priced too high. As far as accessories go, Tell the owner to take them off and sell them on Ebay, I have found you will get your money in the long run if you do that, instead of raising the price to cover them. If I added my accessories I would have to be at 4700.00 and no one will pay that for a 2005. But think of this.. If you buy a used one from an individual ( may vary by state) in my state You pay $25.00 in taxes plus licensing, if you buy from a dealer you will pay state sales tax 6.5%(may vary by state) of the price( $260.00 + licensing..So is a 2006/2007 model for $5200.00( price may vary)+ fee's worth the same as a used model one year older and Identical except for color, worth it? I wish I would have bought one used instead of new.. because now I am taking the price hit..and then you will most likely buy the same accessories as that guy you are buying from.. maybe.. just my 2 cents worth..which deosn't mean much. --- kestrelfal wrote:

> Naa. Accessories should have little $ value to a > buyer, unless you > really gotta have them; from a buyers standpoint > better to value @ $0 > and get 'em for free. Keep looking. KBB is great for > sellers, sucks > for buyers. Remember, the books are only a price > *guide*. Personally I > stay away from sellers who start high. Many times > they're just > unreasonable and it's just easier to move on ~ that > is if you're price > conscious. Then again, sometimes it's just easier in > the long run to > spend the bucks and go have fun. My two cents. > > Fred > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Gochenour" > wrote: > > > > I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this > weekend and I want > to buy a > > KLR650. There is one in my area and have some > questions about a few > items > > he added to the bike which is why he is asking > higher than KBB > retail value: > > > > > > > > Front fork stabilizer - says it > prevents the front fork from > > wobbling on the interstate? > > > > Adjustable lowering kit - has three > positions (how much > does it > > lower the bike and what effect does it have on the > bike?) > > > > Front highway foot pegs - Can't make > much difference to the > > value. > > > > Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. > These can't be > much more > > than $150? > > > > > > > > The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might > go lower but that > is what > > he is asking. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of > these items? Are > they worth > > the money? > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > >

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[Robert Chay]

There's a few things I've notice when looking for bikes. Most owners don't want to face reality in what their bikes are actually worth. There's also many other factors in selling a bike that will dictate how much you'll get for it. Time. How fast do you want/need to sell? You didn't mention mileage but $4k isn't bad for a '05. It won't go fast but it will go. Leaving the farkles on the bike will also entice buyers but not if you increase the price of the bike to make up for them. Yes, you can take them off and sell them seperately but is it really worth the hassle? I guess it depends on the person. Retail price on a KLR is $5199 but I've talked to several dealers that were willing to sell one for $4900 out the door. This includes prep, tax, title, etc. I don't know about other states but in NJ, you still pay taxes when you register the bike for the first time whether it's new or used. Also, your cost of prep, title, reg, tax, etc isn't a concern for a potential buyer. That's your cost of aquiring the bike over the initial cost. Should you also include the cost of insurance? Gas? Maintenance? This is the reason you see some inflated prices of fairly new bikes. Those are the costs associated with owning a bike, not the actual cost of the bike itself. Location. Bikes vary in price depending on where it's located. I've noticed that bikes in general cost more on the west coast and large metro areas. You don't state what farkles you have or the mileage but if you leave everything on and post a price of $4700, you might be able to get someone to pay $4500 for it. There are people out there that do value extra farkles that they don't have to bother ordering and installing AND are willing to pay a premium for them. It'll just take a little longer. Then there's the whole presentation of your for sale ad. People are mostly visual so the more pics you post, the faster the sale. Good luck with your sale. -Bobby

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Link > > I am selling my 05 KLR, I have had some say that I am priced > too high. $4300.00 OBO,( because everyone i've met won't pay > asking price, they must talk you down, or they feel like they > got screwed) I really only want $4000.00. that is NADA value, > KBB is priced too high. > As far as accessories go, Tell the owner to take them off and > sell them on Ebay, I have found you will get your money in > the long run if you do that, instead of raising the price to > cover them. If I added my accessories I would have to be at > 4700.00 and no one will pay that for a 2005. > > But think of this.. If you buy a used one from an individual > ( may vary by state) in my state You pay $25.00 in taxes plus > licensing, if you buy from a dealer you will pay state sales > tax 6.5%(may vary by > state) of the price( $260.00 + licensing..So is a > 2006/2007 model for $5200.00( price may vary)+ fee's worth > the same as a used model one year older and Identical except > for color, worth it? I wish I would have bought one used > instead of new.. because now I am taking the price hit..and > then you will most likely buy the same accessories as that > guy you are buying from.. maybe.. just my 2 cents > worth..which deosn't mean much. >

[Jim Link]

Something else that's Odd.. If you add let's say $1000.00 dollars in accessories to any bike other than a Harley, you get nothing for the accessories, but if you add $1000.00 to a harley, you can up the price..Yikes.. almost makes owning a harley an investment.. to some degree.. I'll stick with Kawasaki's.. have had good luck with them in the past.. --- Robert Chay wrote:

> There's a few things I've notice when looking for > bikes. Most owners don't > want to face reality in what their bikes are > actually worth. There's also > many other factors in selling a bike that will > dictate how much you'll get > for it. > > Time. How fast do you want/need to sell? You didn't > mention mileage but $4k > isn't bad for a '05. It won't go fast but it will > go. > > Leaving the farkles on the bike will also entice > buyers but not if you > increase the price of the bike to make up for them. > Yes, you can take them > off and sell them seperately but is it really worth > the hassle? I guess it > depends on the person. > > Retail price on a KLR is $5199 but I've talked to > several dealers that were > willing to sell one for $4900 out the door. This > includes prep, tax, title, > etc. I don't know about other states but in NJ, you > still pay taxes when you > register the bike for the first time whether it's > new or used. Also, your > cost of prep, title, reg, tax, etc isn't a concern > for a potential buyer. > That's your cost of aquiring the bike over the > initial cost. Should you also > include the cost of insurance? Gas? Maintenance? > This is the reason you see > some inflated prices of fairly new bikes. Those are > the costs associated > with owning a bike, not the actual cost of the bike > itself. > > Location. Bikes vary in price depending on where > it's located. I've noticed > that bikes in general cost more on the west coast > and large metro areas. > > You don't state what farkles you have or the mileage > but if you leave > everything on and post a price of $4700, you might > be able to get someone to > pay $4500 for it. There are people out there that do > value extra farkles > that they don't have to bother ordering and > installing AND are willing to > pay a premium for them. It'll just take a little > longer. > > Then there's the whole presentation of your for sale > ad. People are mostly > visual so the more pics you post, the faster the > sale. > > Good luck with your sale. > > -Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Link > > > > I am selling my 05 KLR, I have had some say that I > am priced > > too high. $4300.00 OBO,( because everyone i've > met won't pay > > asking price, they must talk you down, or they > feel like they > > got screwed) I really only want $4000.00. that is > NADA value, > > KBB is priced too high. > > As far as accessories go, Tell the owner to take > them off and > > sell them on Ebay, I have found you will get your > money in > > the long run if you do that, instead of raising > the price to > > cover them. If I added my accessories I would have > to be at > > 4700.00 and no one will pay that for a 2005. > > > > But think of this.. If you buy a used one from an > individual > > ( may vary by state) in my state You pay $25.00 in > taxes plus > > licensing, if you buy from a dealer you will pay > state sales > > tax 6.5%(may vary by > > state) of the price( $260.00 + licensing..So is a > > 2006/2007 model for $5200.00( price may vary)+ > fee's worth > > the same as a used model one year older and > Identical except > > for color, worth it? I wish I would have bought > one used > > instead of new.. because now I am taking the price > hit..and > > then you will most likely buy the same accessories > as that > > guy you are buying from.. maybe.. just my 2 cents > > worth..which deosn't mean much. > > > >

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[ggranger]

Steve, I disagree with some of the other listers, in my area a KLR only comes up for sale about 2 or 3 times a year, so there are not that many used ones out there. I watched eBay for 6 months for dual sport bikes to get some idea what they go for in my area and around the country and even the oldest and crappiest KLR650/DR650/XR650L/XL650 went for $2500 to $3500. BMW 650's were $4000 and up. This was far above 'book value' on most of these machines. ANY KLR that comes up in the local swap sheet is usually gone the first day of the ad. I live in a rural area and decently priced dual-sports and 4 wheelers usually sell very fast. I ended up buying a 2000 KLR650 locally for $2500, had been jetted with after market exhaustand had brand new tires. It was priced above 'book value' ,according to the owner, by $700. But the bike had never been off road, the guy told me every problem it ever had, bike was in excellent condition, was serviced by the dealer (including valves, fork oil, oil changes) and ran great. It had 10K miles on it. MY limit was $3500 for any used KLR, any more and I would buy new. $2500 was just what i had in cash, so the cheaper the better. So I bought it, knowing full well a new ones was $5000+tax+title+tags, (no less in this area I knew 2 people who just bought one, and they both tried to deal furiously). I am very happy, everyone tells me I stole it. I think I got a 'good deal' for my area. SOOO...'book value' has some meaning but a bike can be worth more or less depending on condition, mods, miles and service record. The mods are usually worth half of what new would cost, IF you want that mod, mods you don't want are worthless. Bags, foot pegs, fork brace, etc are all common mods that you will be happy with when you have it. $900 over KBB retail seems like a lot, KBB retail is what you would expect to pay at a dealer, everything fixed with a warantee. Just offer what you are willing to pay and walk away if they don't come around. Don't be afraid to ask for sevice records etc. Good luck with the new machine, Gary -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Gochenour Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:52 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] looking to purchase KLR650 and have some questions I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this weekend and I want to buy a KLR650. There is one in my area and have some questions about a few items he added to the bike which is why he is asking higher than KBB retail value: Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front fork from wobbling on the interstate? Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how much does it lower the bike and what effect does it have on the bike?) Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference to the value. Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be much more than $150? The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go lower but that is what he is asking. Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of these items? Are they worth the money? Thanks for the help. Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Hedrek]

Similar here in Albuquerque. I tried to deal with 3 different dealers and go nowhere. I couldn't even get a new one - by the time I got in, they'd be sold. Eventually put money done on waiting list. Did get a nice 07 for list, $6,000 out the door. There was a beautiful one on ebay I think in Austin not long ago. Unlike Texas we usually (lately has been weird) never get rain so motorcycles are popular here. Lots of KLRs around here. Hedrek --- ggranger wrote:

> Steve, > > I disagree with some of the other listers, in my > area a KLR only comes up > for sale about 2 or 3 times a year, so there are not > that many used ones out > there. I watched eBay for 6 months for dual sport > bikes to get some idea > what they go for in my area and around the country > and even the oldest and > crappiest KLR650/DR650/XR650L/XL650 went for $2500 > to $3500. BMW 650's were > $4000 and up. This was far above 'book value' on > most of these machines. ANY > KLR that comes up in the local swap sheet is usually > gone the first day of > the ad. I live in a rural area and decently priced > dual-sports and 4 > wheelers usually sell very fast. > > I ended up buying a 2000 KLR650 locally for $2500, > had been jetted with > after market exhaustand had brand new tires. It was > priced above 'book > value' ,according to the owner, by $700. But the > bike had never been off > road, the guy told me every problem it ever had, > bike was in excellent > condition, was serviced by the dealer (including > valves, fork oil, oil > changes) and ran great. It had 10K miles on it. MY > limit was $3500 for any > used KLR, any more and I would buy new. $2500 was > just what i had in cash, > so the cheaper the better. > > So I bought it, knowing full well a new ones was > $5000+tax+title+tags, (no > less in this area I knew 2 people who just bought > one, and they both tried > to deal furiously). I am very happy, everyone tells > me I stole it. I think I > got a 'good deal' for my area. > > SOOO...'book value' has some meaning but a bike can > be worth more or less > depending on condition, mods, miles and service > record. The mods are usually > worth half of what new would cost, IF you want that > mod, mods you don't want > are worthless. Bags, foot pegs, fork brace, etc are > all common mods that you > will be happy with when you have it. $900 over KBB > retail seems like a lot, > KBB retail is what you would expect to pay at a > dealer, everything fixed > with a warantee. Just offer what you are willing to > pay and walk away if > they don't come around. Don't be afraid to ask for > sevice records etc. > > Good luck with the new machine, > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Gochenour > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:52 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] looking to purchase KLR650 and > have some questions > > > > I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this > weekend and I want to buy a > KLR650. There is one in my area and have some > questions about a few items > he added to the bike which is why he is asking > higher than KBB retail value: > > Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front > fork from > wobbling on the interstate? > > Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how > much does it > lower the bike and what effect does it have on the > bike?) > > Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference > to the > value. > > Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be > much more > than $150? > > The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go > lower but that is what > he is asking. > > Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of > these items? Are they worth > the money? > > Thanks for the help. > > Steve > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

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[Doug Herr]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Steve Gochenour wrote:

> I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this weekend and I want to buy a > KLR650. There is one in my area and have some questions about a few items > he added to the bike which is why he is asking higher than KBB retail value:

Looks like nobody did a point by point on your list, so here goes...

> Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front fork from > wobbling on the interstate?

I think these are well worth their price. I can really feel the difference they make and like that difference.

> Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how much does it > lower the bike and what effect does it have on the bike?)

This is the scootworks set which does 1", 2" and 3". It is only good if you have trouble getting enough foot on the ground to feel stable. I think it does add a *little* more freeway stability but you don't have as much suspension with them. I use that set of links and only drop it 1 inch, but I would be fine with the bike at full height now. Would go back to full but I already trimmed my kick stand. This brings up the point that if he is using more lowering then you want then he may have cut the stand too low for you.

> Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference to the > value.

They usually also give you some case protection, so could be worth your while.

> Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be much more > than $150?

Sounds about right, but it is a $150 that may be worth it for your if you want to do an camping with it.

> The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go lower but that is what > he is asking.

Give us more info and folk will have more opinion. State you are in: year of KLR: Mileage: Overall state (looks like it has seen lots of dirt?): -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Doug Herr]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Hedrek wrote:

> Similar here in Albuquerque. I tried to deal with 3 > different dealers and go nowhere. I couldn't even get > a new one - by the time I got in, they'd be sold. > Eventually put money done on waiting list. Did get a > nice 07 for list, $6,000 out the door.

This sort of thing may be due to this list. We need to post much less and make sure all the posts are negative. The KLR 650 sucks!!!! -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Robert Chay]

Heh. Buy out of state. It'll cost you the same after the flight and gas to get home but what an adventure that would be. -Bobby

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Herr > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Hedrek wrote: > > > Similar here in Albuquerque. I tried to deal with 3 > different dealers > > and go nowhere. I couldn't even get a new one - by the > time I got in, > > they'd be sold. > > Eventually put money done on waiting list. Did get a nice 07 for > > list, $6,000 out the door. > > > This sort of thing may be due to this list. We need to post > much less and make sure all the posts are negative. > > The KLR 650 sucks!!!! > > > -- > Doug Herr > doug@...