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[Ronald Criswell]

I agree with most of that. I don't mind the bikes just don't like the attitude of some that ride them. But hey bike riders are all seemingly brand conscious. Beemer guys are almost the same attitude as Harley guys, and Goldwingers and Sportbikers. And Jeez, ever get around KTM guys on your KLR? Talk about looking down their noses. Remember the old Brit bike days when guys were so loyal to those pieces of crap? KLR riders are another group. I call them the AntiHarleys cause they just don't seem to care much about looks or sound ...... a lot of them anyway. KLR riders just want to get from point A to B cheaply and if it has a muddy or sandy or gravely road, so much the better. Criswell

On Jul 1, 2006, at 2:00 AM, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: > At 6:38 PM -0400 6/30/06, John Kokola wrote: > >The Harley bashing is getting old. > > Harley bashing never gets old. Not so much bashing the bike as > bashing the image. I just don't get the whole leather thing, > especially the assless chaps. It just reeks of gay. > Also, I'm sick of the ridicule and shitty looks Harley riders give > real riders for wearing safety gear. Makes me wanna shove that doo > rag up their ass. > I was at Bike Night at my local Quaker Steak & Lube on Wednesday. It > was a sea of Harley riders. When I rolled in wearing full gear, they > looked at me like I'm the autistic kid who has to wear a hockey > helmet while playing in his yard. If the parking lot was full of > adventure riders, I would have looked cool in the safety gear. > What really amuses me is that most Harley riders that I've > encountered assume that I'm a beginning rider because I'm not on a > Harley. I laugh because I log more miles in a year than most of them > will in their life. > > Mark > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[WILLAM GILMORE]

One more thing for those who take from their Harely's their idenity as "leathery tough guys and super patriots" -- Harley Davidson now has their foot in the door in China and Vietnam. If anyone thinks they're in these countries just to sell motorcycles they've got to kidding themselves. Especially since Vietnam currently has something like a 150cc size limit and maybe 1/100 of 1% of their population can afford to buy a Harely. My guess is - Harely's claim of "made in America" will soon be archived in the history books. What that will do to the Harely image, or they're tendancy to call yours and my KLR a "rat bike" is anyone's guess. Don S wrote: I have to agree with Mark in that it's an image issue. It's caused by character flaws of the unfortunates who have inherited the gene. If it weren't for their false bravado and self indulgent, cocky attitude and their overt desire to put it in your face, they'd be more pitied than ridiculed. In short, they pretty much deserve what they get. Don Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: At 6:38 PM -0400 6/30/06, John Kokola wrote:

>The Harley bashing is getting old.

Harley bashing never gets old. Not so much bashing the bike as bashing the image. I just don't get the whole leather thing, especially the assless chaps. It just reeks of gay. Also, I'm sick of the ridicule and shitty looks Harley riders give real riders for wearing safety gear. Makes me wanna shove that doo rag up their ass. I was at Bike Night at my local Quaker Steak & Lube on Wednesday. It was a sea of Harley riders. When I rolled in wearing full gear, they looked at me like I'm the autistic kid who has to wear a hockey helmet while playing in his yard. If the parking lot was full of adventure riders, I would have looked cool in the safety gear. What really amuses me is that most Harley riders that I've encountered assume that I'm a beginning rider because I'm not on a Harley. I laugh because I log more miles in a year than most of them will in their life. Mark --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ed Chait]

> > Don S wrote: I have to agree with Mark in that > it's an image issue. It's caused by character flaws of the unfortunates > who have inherited the gene. If it weren't for their false bravado and > self indulgent, cocky attitude and their overt desire to put it in your > face, they'd be more pitied than ridiculed. In short, they pretty much > deserve what they get. > > Don

Their desire is no more overt than that wide brush you're swinging there Don. I think you should wear some assless chaps for a while as therapy. ed A17

[squasher_1]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote:

> > This conversation reminds me of a bonehead I knew who had bought a

lemon (North American car). The thing just kept costing him money for repairs to things that shouldn't have failed. Regardless of the fact that the vehicle was a piece of sh*t, he'd defend the vehicle and his wisdom for buying and maintaining it. It's like he didn't have the guts to admit that he had made a bad purchase. The really funny aspect was that when he calculated in his cost for repeated repairs, he felt he was "adding value to the vehicle"! Now that, my friends, is stubborn stupidity often found in brand loyalists who cannot see their way past their egos. It's fools like him that allow poor manufacturers to remain in business and continue to provide the market with inferior products. Do not underestimate the stupidity of the average uninformed consumer who cannot see past his/her own vanity.

> > Don >

OK, if I could do it all over again. I wouldn't have bought the dam truck. Oh, were you talking abour someone else??

[WILLAM GILMORE]

Your comments remind me of some research I did today on the Royal Enfield line of motorcycles. As most of you know, this is a machine that's been manufactered in India since the 50's. They're now selling a slightly updated version for under five grand. Looking at the 500cc model makes the KLR look incredibly high tech. I'm imagining going to India and buying one (new for about $1,300 U.S.) and riding it from one end of the country to the other - and perhaps into Mongolia as well. Now, that would be a road trip! squasher_1 wrote:

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > This conversation reminds me of a bonehead I knew who had bought a lemon (North American car). The thing just kept costing him money for repairs to things that shouldn't have failed. Regardless of the fact that the vehicle was a piece of sh*t, he'd defend the vehicle and his wisdom for buying and maintaining it. It's like he didn't have the guts to admit that he had made a bad purchase. The really funny aspect was that when he calculated in his cost for repeated repairs, he felt he was "adding value to the vehicle"! Now that, my friends, is stubborn stupidity often found in brand loyalists who cannot see their way past their egos. It's fools like him that allow poor manufacturers to remain in business and continue to provide the market with inferior products. Do not underestimate the stupidity of the average uninformed consumer who cannot see past his/her own vanity. > > Don > OK, if I could do it all over again. I wouldn't have bought the dam truck. Oh, were you talking abour someone else?? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 7/3/2006 4:19:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, doktor.gelev@... writes: "Hi all, I just did my first dirt ridin, near Yosemite. 140 was blocked by rockslide and the locals in Mariposa recommended 'a shortcut' using the dirtroads off Briceburg, to connect to 120. the road is called Bull Creek Road but it's just a crazy dirt switchback cut straight into the mountain. To get there, at Briceburg on 140 right before the bridge make a left and it takes you into some unbeliavable scenery. I got lost and for 50 miles didn't see a single person, but only all types of wild animals and beautiful forest, and an abandoned traintrack. HIGHLY recommended." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------- Two friends and I went through there a couple of years ago, you can hit the old Yosemite stagecoach route that goes through to El Portal by way of Little Nellie Falls and Foresta. We were also lost most of the time but at a critical point came to a ranch with about 20 big No Trespassing signs but approached the people there and told them what we were trying to do and they let us through and gave some directions. Some single track cowtrail for a few miles and then back on Nat. Forest roads. A memorable ride followed by a swim in the river below El Portal to cool off. Kurt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]