doohicky - torsion spring mod - any word on it's progress?

[fssnoc1304]

Hi all been a member for a wile but never posted. Went to search post for my answer and read about a hundred and this question was still unanswered: If I use a 1.5 or 2 inch lowering link, will I have to take out a link or two in my chain. I read nothing about chain adj after the install of a link but I figure the chan will need adj, thats not a problem but would like to hear from the group about how the chain acted/set after the install. Thanks Jerry

[Doug Herr]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, fssnoc1304 wrote:

> Hi all been a member for a wile but never posted. Went to search post > for my answer and read about a hundred and this question was still > unanswered: If I use a 1.5 or 2 inch lowering link, will I have to > take out a link or two in my chain. I read nothing about chain adj > after the install of a link but I figure the chan will need adj, thats > not a problem but would like to hear from the group about how the > chain acted/set after the install. Thanks Jerry

If your chain was properly adjusted before adding the links then it will be just fine after. The only change will be that it *seems* tighter. So, get it perfect, add the links, then check how the chain is compared to the swingarm. You know know how to check it with that amount of lowering. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[D Critchley]

I changed to 1.5 in links. No change in the chain. DC fssnoc1304 wrote:

> Hi all been a member for a wile but never posted. Went to search post > for my answer and read about a hundred and this question was still > unanswered: If I use a 1.5 or 2 inch lowering link, will I have to > take out a link or two in my chain. I read nothing about chain adj > after the install of a link but I figure the chan will need adj, thats > not a problem but would like to hear from the group about how the > chain acted/set after the install. Thanks Jerry > >

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[Norm Keller]

My chain required loosening the adjustment after the 1 1/2" links were installed. It's a couple of years so can't remember how much but it was not a lot. One could possibly have just left the chain adjustment but I was concerned about load on the output bearing. Enjoy, Norm fssnoc1304 wrote:

> Hi all been a member for a wile but never posted. Went to search post > for my answer and read about a hundred and this question was still > unanswered: If I use a 1.5 or 2 inch lowering link, will I have to > take out a link or two in my chain. I read nothing about chain adj > after the install of a link but I figure the chan will need adj, thats > not a problem but would like to hear from the group about how the > chain acted/set after the install. Thanks Jerry > >

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[a14@att.net]

If you had to loosen the adjustment on the chain when installing lowering links then your chain was too tight to begin with. Walt

> My chain required loosening the adjustment after the 1 1/2" links were > installed. It's a couple of years so can't remember how much but it was not a > lot. One could possibly have just left the chain adjustment but I was concerned > about load on the output bearing. > > Enjoy, > > Norm > >

[Doug Herr]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Norm Keller wrote:

> My chain required loosening the adjustment after the 1 1/2" > links were installed. It's a couple of years so can't remember > how much but it was not a lot. One could possibly have just > left the chain adjustment but I was concerned about load on the > output bearing.

Note that it will *seem* to require loosening if you use the standard system of checking chain tension. If you sit the bike on the side stand and check for vertical play. Using the full line up method finds that that chain did not get any tighter when the links were installed. The links simply cause the bike to sort of act like somebody is compressing the suspension. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Norm Keller]

>If you had to loosen the adjustment on the >chain when installing lowering links then your >chain was too tight to begin with.

Nope, chain was not too tight before installing links. I don't want to get into a debate over this as my chain was not too tight before and was too tight after links installed. If anyone chooses to install links and not recheck their chain, that is their privilege and I wish them every success. The comment was simply a caution in the spirit of service. Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Doug Herr]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Norm Keller wrote:

>> If you had to loosen the adjustment on the >chain when installing lowering links then your >chain was too tight to begin with. > > Nope, chain was not too tight before installing links. I don't want to get > into a debate over this as my chain was not too tight before and was too > tight after links installed. If anyone chooses to install links and not > recheck their chain, that is their privilege and I wish them every success. > > The comment was simply a caution in the spirit of service.

I think the key point is that the links do not effect the optimal adjustment of the chain. The optimal adjustment is related to the maximum distance that they chain needs to stretch. This maximum distance is when the sprockets run in a straight line. The lowering links cause the resting state of the bike to be closer to this maximum point, but they do not change the geometry. The big mistake that people make is adjusting the chain when the bike is sitting in the resting state and not in the fully extended state. -- Doug Herr doug@...

[Don S]

With regard to the balancer adjuster issue, what's the status with torsion spring modification? It looked pretty slick to me. Any info on the possibility of it going into production? I adjusted mine an hour or so ago. It's not a very satisfying experience. Loosen the screw, tap the screw, tighten the screw and cross your fingers. A little too ambiguous for me. I like to know that the adjustment has happened and I really think it's ludicrous to have to pull the side case off to watch to see if it happens. I suspect however, that my next adjustment 3000 miles from now, I'll pull the side case to ensure it's working. Don jokerloco9@... wrote: I agree with this also. Stop whining and let it go. Get attorneys involved, and we are all screwed. I think it is just human nature to whine if things aren't going correctly. We tend to keep quiet when things are OK. By the way, I would tend to agree with the earlier post from the Kawi guy on the doohickey. When chains get loose and start whipping, stresses go up dramatically. And I suspect most doohickey failures are from operator error not adjusting correctly. As for the spring breaking - I noticed a fair amount of play of the doohickey on the shaft. When doohickey is bolted down, shaft it is mounted on can still move. I suspect this shaft movement is exercising the spring enough to cause it to fatigue and break. My new Eagle Mike doohickey was a lot tighter on the shaft, but still had some play. With that - I think a tensioner re-design would be in order. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta shows you when there are new messages. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]