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[scott quillen]

Jim, NEVER go cheap on calibrated tools or anything where precision is critical. You get what you pay for....usually Scott jim bush wrote: Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality steel 10 mm bolts. 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel the click. Snapped the head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click or pause in the wrench. Same results. Snapped bolt. $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore.

On Jan 14, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > Jim, > > Don't worry about the over tightening possibility. Just loosen > them all > a bit and retorque. It'll be correct for sure so you won't have any > doubt. Probably only take you 5 minutes and give you some more > practice > with the torque wrench. > > Best, > > Jeff > > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:39:02 -0800 jim bush > writes: >> Thanks guys. >> I admit my 1/4" MM sockets aren't of the highest quality. The >> instructions with the wrench say that you will >> hear and feel the click. So I imagined it would be very pronounced. >> >> But not pronounced enough to be felt >> and heard over a Ramones song I guess. I'll try the vice test and >> get >> used to it. >> Should I worry about the possibility that I over tightened them? > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ > klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Hagen]

Jeff, "That's the same as hanging about 3 quarts (1 quart = 32 oz., right?) of oil off a 1 foot bar. It's just not very much. " My dad's old saying (gone some 30 years now) was "A PINT is A POUND, the world around! " (~for Water) So a quart is about 2 lbs. 32 Oz. is FLUID Oz., Nice system we got huh? Mike Crestline, Ca. eBay Red - A18 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tony JONES]

I have this torque wrench. Been happy with it. I have several competant friends who have it too. I also have two Craftsman t/wrenches. At 6ft/lb of torque I'm not sure what you're expecting it to give you in terms of feedback, it's not going to give the same kind of feedback that you'll get from a larger wrench at say 40 ft/lb. Also you need to make smooth wide applications of 'power', ideally hand tight, then give it one smooth turn. If you repeatedly 5 degree it as you would say with a ratchet spanner, you'll never feel the 'click'. It's quite subtle. Also, I have no clue how you snapped the head of a quality steel bolt at 20 inch pounds. Given your obvious strength, I'd definately undo those case bolts and redo them. Yes, it's possible the t/wrench is bad, it's obviously not the same quality as the Craftsman one at 3x the price. Tony

> Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality > steel 10 mm bolts. > 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel > the click. Snapped the > head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click > or pause in the wrench. > Same results. Snapped bolt. > $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore.

[David Critchley]

Just for interests sake, when I was a kid in England, the equivalent expression was, " A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter." Imperial pint =20 oz, Quart 40 oz, and the gallon is 160 oz, which is 8 pints. I've often wondered if the US pint was an offshoot of the attempts by the Congress to adopt the Metric system back in the 19th century. Ten of the US pints make precisely one Imperial gallon, oddly enough. Something to think about. DC Mike Hagen wrote:

>Jeff, > >"That's the same as hanging about 3 quarts (1 quart = 32 oz., right?) of >oil off a 1 foot bar. It's just not very much. " > >My dad's old saying (gone some 30 years now) was "A PINT is A POUND, the world around! " (~for Water) So a quart is about 2 lbs. > >32 Oz. is FLUID Oz., Nice system we got huh? > >Mike > > >

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[Jeff Saline]

Mike, That's a good saying. : ) I'll have to try to remember it now. Thanks, Jeff On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:15:29 -0800 "Mike Hagen" writes:

> Jeff, > > "That's the same as hanging about 3 quarts (1 quart = 32 oz., > right?) of > oil off a 1 foot bar. It's just not very much. " > > My dad's old saying (gone some 30 years now) was "A PINT is A POUND, > the world around! " (~for Water) So a quart is about 2 lbs. > > 32 Oz. is FLUID Oz., Nice system we got huh? > > Mike > Crestline, Ca. > eBay Red - A18

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Critchley wrote:

> >My dad's old saying (gone some 30 years now) was "A PINT is A POUND, the world

around! " (~for Water) So a quart is about 2 lbs.

> >

And I always thought that referred to the price of a beverage. The sun never sets...

[pete88chester]

Jim: You may have a cheap torque wrench, but then again you may be using it at too low a torque setting. What is the maximum torque setting on your wrench? You should select the torque wrench size (range of operation) so that you use the midrange, not the lower 10% or upper 10%. In other words don't use a 150 foot-pound torque wrench to tighten a bolt to 5 ft.-lbs. (60 inch-pounds). To cover the range of bolt torque needed for most auto & motorcycle work you should have two torque wrenches a 0 to 150 ft.-lb. & a 0 to 600 in.- lb. Another thing to think about is getting the bending beam type torque wrenches. They are less expensive & retain their accuracy if not abused. The dial indicator & clicking type torque wrenches need to be recalibrated after a certain amount of use. They have internal parts in them that wear & need lubing. The bending beam type has nothing to wear & as long as the wrench is not used beyond its max range it stays accurate within reason. When I was in the Airforce the missile maintenance group did a test of the different types of torque wrenches & the bending beam type came out on top. Anyway what ever type you plan on getting get a good quality name brand, not some "Tony No Name" brand cheapy. Pete Chester A16

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jim bush wrote: > > Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality > steel 10 mm bolts. > 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel > the click. Snapped the > head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click > or pause in the wrench. > Same results. Snapped bolt. > $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore.

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I found that on my Craftsman Microtorque wrench 10-150 ft-lbs bought 25 years ago that if you ratchet the wrench a few clicks the OPPOSITE way you are about to torque, that the "click" is much more pronounced. I'm guessing it resets the clicking/releasing mechanism in some way. But you definitely need to practice on your torque wrench, whatever the type. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jim bush]

Some times its better to just do things in the morning a little more refreshed. Your right Mike. I didn't know what to feel for. This morning I've got it down. All the case bolts and adjustment rod are torqued right. Now I can call it a successful Doohickey replacement. Thanks for everyones help on this forum. I never feel like I'm asking dumb questions. Cheers Jim

On Jan 14, 2006, at 11:02 PM, wannabsmooth1 wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jim bush wrote: >> >> Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality >> steel 10 mm bolts. >> 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel >> the click. Snapped the >> head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click >> or pause in the wrench. >> Same results. Snapped bolt. >> $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore. >> >> > Jim, > > Find a friend with more experience. Get a little coaching. I've used > very expensive and very cheap torque wrenches, and it's proabably not > the wrench. QUIT LISTENING FOR THE CLICK - the click is sometimes felt > and not heard! You need to have a little feel. This torque setting is > very low. Remember when I said to watch for the head getting out of > alignment? Either you got the lemon of all torque wrenches, or you > need a little coaching. You can do it! > > all the best, > > Mike > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ > klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[scott quillen]

Jim, Glad you got that doo fixed...it was a good feeling when I "got 'er done" on my 87. Scott jim bush wrote: Some times its better to just do things in the morning a little more refreshed. Your right Mike. I didn't know what to feel for. This morning I've got it down. All the case bolts and adjustment rod are torqued right. Now I can call it a successful Doohickey replacement. Thanks for everyones help on this forum. I never feel like I'm asking dumb questions. Cheers Jim

On Jan 14, 2006, at 11:02 PM, wannabsmooth1 wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jim bush wrote: >> >> Seems to be a crap torque wrench. Tried the vice test on 2 quality >> steel 10 mm bolts. >> 1st on the highest setting. Very quite garage. Couldn't here or feel >> the click. Snapped the >> head of the bolt. 2nd at 20 Inch lbs. Still nothing close to a click >> or pause in the wrench. >> Same results. Snapped bolt. >> $28 buck for the wrench. I wont go cheap on the tools anymore. >> >> > Jim, > > Find a friend with more experience. Get a little coaching. I've used > very expensive and very cheap torque wrenches, and it's proabably not > the wrench. QUIT LISTENING FOR THE CLICK - the click is sometimes felt > and not heard! You need to have a little feel. This torque setting is > very low. Remember when I said to watch for the head getting out of > alignment? Either you got the lemon of all torque wrenches, or you > need a little coaching. You can do it! > > all the best, > > Mike > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ > klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]