nklr-rear end collision (morality)

[Bogdan Swider]

Having said that, will it hurt anything to instead ride

> with a touch of choke (once I get it running), which seems to make it > happy???

Instead do what most list veterans have done which is correcting the overly lean idle mixture. Turn your pilot screw out a turn or so. Opinions vary as to exactly how much. I used the sweet spot method. Here it is. With the engine running turn the screw in until the rpms decrease and note where that happens. Then do the same turning the screw out. The setting between the two is the sweet spot. Bogdan

[E.L. Green]

Blake Sobiloff wrote:

>Depending on the amount of "choke" (really fuel enricher) you use, >and how long you use it, you may cause fuel dilution of your oil. > >

The deal is that it is *time* that counts in this equation. A motor under load warms up faster than a motor at idle. Thus the fastest way to warm up the engine is to ride (gently) with the choke on for a little bit after "warming up" for 30 seconds or so to give your oil time to get from the crankcase up to the valve galleries. So if the idle enricher can't be turned off after 30 seconds without the engine stumbling, leave it on (as little as possible) until you've warmed up the engine a bit more by riding gently down the street (another 30 seconds will generally do it). I have another bike that's notoriously balky in cold weather, and had to follow that recipe in 35 degree weather. _E

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

To some extent it is OK to use the choke, but use the minimum required to keep the engine running. Too much choke means extra fuel (unburned) is in the engine, which washes the oil from the cylinder walls, gas contamination in the oil if you don't thouroughly warm the oil, leading to greatly increased wear. A fould spark plug is the least of your worries. Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: scott quillen To: scarysharkface ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:23:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Cold John, Running with your choke on (just a touch) shouldn't hurt anything other than increasing fuel consumption a bit and leading to early plug fouling if you run like that for too long. Scott scarysharkface wrote: I almost don't have enough choke to start my A18 when it's 20 degrees. Oil and/or battery charge aren't an issue whatsoever. The issue is getting a rich enough mixture for it to fire. It turns over very happily, even when I have to crank it several times. Sooo, I think enriching the mixture is probably the cure. Even after significant warmup it still doesn't really like cold weather (hesitates, etcetera). Having said that, will it hurt anything to instead ride with a touch of choke (once I get it running), which seems to make it happy??? Thanks, John Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rodbon95]

I had a friend that ended up with an engine rebuild because he ran too long and too much choke (accidentally). If you have to much choke it can wash the cylinder, therefore washing the oil away. A good rule of thumb is to turn off the choke as soon as possible. If you can't keep it running without the choke, start looking for other reasons like float level, dirty or un-adjusted jets. Perhaps just a good old fasion carb rebuild would be a good start. Good luck Rod multisurfacemotorcycling.com

[scarysharkface]

Thanks for the responses. I will try the sweet spot method as soon as I can get to it, as I think that will probably solve or at least help the cold weather starting problem. If I happen to ride it before then I will use as little choke as possible until it warms up. john

[keithrstone]

Running rich is harmful to the engine, for extended periods. The excess fuel will wash down the cylinder walls, removing the oil that should stay put. No oil on the cylinder walls means excessive wear. Whenever I encounter a "lack of enough choke" problem, I always suspect (and usually I am correct) a leak somewhere. If excess air is getting into the cylinder via carb problem, manifold crack, bad gasket, etc... it will take half of the choke just to normalize, then the other half isn't enough to be "full", it's like it's half choked because air is sucking in somewhere. A way to check if you have a leak, is to get the bike running in an open area (not in a confined space), get a soldering torch fueled by propane gas. Turn the gas on, but don't light the torch. VERY CAREFULLY, trace around suspected areas (gaskets, etc) with the end of the torch, if there is a leak, the propane will get sucked in and the RPM's will rise.... there's your problem. Good luck! Keith

[revmaaatin]

Hi Andy, I learn a lot from the experiences of others, and also been stuck from behind, with more fortuante results. Presently, I work in the world of "sinners and others", morality and the lack thereof, thick with excuses and justifiction.... but for someone to run after an accidental (near) murder is difficult to justify. In cases like this, I have to believe that God's sense of justice will come full circle for those who stuck you. And then, when they are caught, folks like me will have to plumb the depth of their souls as they seek repenetance for sins such as this, the comlete disregard for the life of another. revmaaatin. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Andrus Chesley" wrote:

> > I ain't got lots to say about that. I was left in a ditch for dead

in

> '86 from a rear end hit and run. The only people who witnessed it

were

> more concerned about getting me help than what the car looked like

or

> the plate numbers. I came to in a hospital a hours later and still

to

> this day don't have any recollections of the wreck. I was at a stop > sign in a light rain on the outskirts of a small town waiting on a

car

> to cross when I was hit from the back. > Was 5 to 6 years before I could ride again due to a vertigo problem > caused by concussion thru a good hat. > My fist bike on the come back trail was a '92 KLR 650 and since

then.

> I probably have about 150 thousand miles on 7 different bikes and

40

> states. > > '43 Andy in SW Louisiana > '00 KLR 650 > '02 R1150GSA >