stripped oil drain hole part 3...

[scott quillen]

Obviously there are plenty of Harley "haters" in this group. I don't consider my Harley crude, simple (maybe) or mediocre. It does exactly what I expected it to do when I bought it...takes me anywhere I choose to go on it (off-road is NOT my choice for it...that's what I've got the KLR for...occasionally). One of my Harley's BEST attributes is its resale value - more than it cost new 11 years ago...but that's only one of the reasons I bought it. I like the styling - it's a 94 FXSTC (Softail Custom) and the way it rides AND it has NEVER left me stranded. It does NOT leak any fluids nor does it exhibit any bad manners. Pick on it all you want...you're not hurting my feelings. Kinda like that saying, "If I have to explain it...you probably wouldn't understand". Scott "Eric L. Green" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, scott quillen wrote: > yeah...they have similar appeal because they're BOTH MOTORCYCLES! Well, and they're both a) crude, b) simple, and c) mediocre. The only difference on part (c) is that the KLR is mediocre at doing a lot more things than a Harley, such as riding the beast off-road. Let's face it, our beloved Thumper just isn't very good at doing anything at all, it's the wide variety of things that it'll do that is its biggest appeal. On-road use? Skinny front tire, soggy suspension, and iffy brakes tend to limit you there, as well as the asthmatic engine. Off-road use? Too heavy, steering too slow, gearing all wrong. On paper, the KLR looks like one of the most pathetic dual-sport bikes ever invented. On paper. Sort of like a Harley, there. > On the other hand I find it fascinating (and very unexpected) that there > appears to be a significant number of experienced riders who have an > affinity for both the KLR AND the HD bikes. There are clearly > differences (configuration and price being the most obvious), but are > there some qualities that both of these bikes share that have similar > appeal? Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scott quillen]

WOW...just like a Harley, yet my Harley needs none of those fixes that make the KLR a better bike. AMAZING! ...no doohickey replacement, the stock suspension is fine...etc. I feel the same about my KLR! Scott Mike Frey wrote: Eric L. Green wrote:

>On paper, the KLR looks like one of >the most pathetic dual-sport bikes ever invented. > >On paper. >

Yep. It sure does. However, tens of thousands of owners worldwide have elevated the KLR-650 to cult status, indicating that they (we) have discovered something that the rest have not (...yet). I bought my KLR without ever having sat my butt one one, let alone ride it. I haven't been disappointed. Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[cruiserjones@sbcglobal.net]

I know I for one wouldn't be caught dead in (or on) a Cadillac. Correct comparison, though, bloated, overweight showboat of a vehicle for posers....I"M KIDDIN! (kinda) Tim Jones still stirring Odessolate Tx

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene W Zortea Jr" To: "scott quillen" ; "Michael Silverstein" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! > > A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. > In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and is winning this > year. Beating Suzuki * > all the others. > (Quarter mile drag bikes) > Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be built up for > speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 cylinder Jap bike out > there. > > I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I say to that, > "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or better???????? Where". > > It's the Cadillac of bikes. > > I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > What a load of BULL... > > Scott > > --- Michael Silverstein > wrote: > >> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and >> shouldn't be lumped in >> with the rest of the HD line in this train of >> discussion. >> >> As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and >> one of mine is >> flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf >> blowers). >> >> While many people (including a number of people I >> know and respect and >> probably yourself included) own HD bikes for >> justifiable reasons (they >> appreciate the bike for what it is because of its >> look and feel, sound, >> etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many >> own them because they >> have allowed their wills to be twisted by >> 'lifestyle' marketing and >> crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that >> this pattern of >> thinking is clearly not in the best interest of >> humanity as a whole. >> >> Mike A18 >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr >> [mailto:so.ez@...] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM >> > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >> > >> > >> > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means >> of >> > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I >> had a Harley >> > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold >> they're >> > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike >> made. >> > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On >> > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM >> > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >> > >> > >> > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they >> want. Lots >> > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't >> necessarily >> > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is >> in extreme >> > disproportion to their capability and value there >> must be >> > some other factor at work. >> > >> > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them >> underpowered, >> > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were >> certainly >> > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd >> probably >> > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a >> Ural. >> > >> > I do however suspect that what drives most >> purchases of these >> > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and >> all the >> > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, >> mugs, etc. is >> > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd >> rather than by >> > researching what would be best for one's needs - >> unless >> > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the >> crowd is >> > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in >> a 'live >> > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these >> people don't >> > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the >> voting booth. >> > >> > Mike A18 >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] >> > > On Behalf Of scott quillen >> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM >> > > To: Michael Silverstein; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >> > > >> > > >> > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those >> "people >> > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want >> and it >> > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what >> they >> > > SHOULD want... >> > > >> > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do >> THEIRS... >> > > >> > > Scott >> > > >> > > --- Michael Silverstein >> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had >> sense >> > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money >> on >> > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of >> > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets >> with >> > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley >> > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance >> the >> > > riding experience or get you from point A to >> point B). >> > > > >> > > > Mike A18 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________________________________________________ >> > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >> page >> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Archive Quicksearch at: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> >> > > _data_search.html List >> > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >> > > www.dualsportnews.com >> > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> > > >> > > >> > > Yahoo! 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[Rick McCauley]

Ditto Rick A17 Eric L. Green wrote: I bought my KLR without ever having sat my butt one one, let alone ride it. I haven't been disappointed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John S Harper]

HAHA. A KLR is a poser it it's own right. It looks like a dirt bike but it's a "bloated, overweight showboat" when actually used offroad. Sent by: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com 08/25/2005 01:36 PM To DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> cc Subject Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's I know I for one wouldn't be caught dead in (or on) a Cadillac. Correct comparison, though, bloated, overweight showboat of a vehicle for posers....I"M KIDDIN! (kinda) Tim Jones still stirring Odessolate Tx

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene W Zortea Jr" To: "scott quillen" ; "Michael Silverstein" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! > > A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. > In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and is winning this > year. Beating Suzuki * > all the others. > (Quarter mile drag bikes) > Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be built up for > speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 cylinder Jap bike out > there. > > I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I say to that, > "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or better???????? Where". > > It's the Cadillac of bikes. > > I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > What a load of BULL... > > Scott > > --- Michael Silverstein > wrote: > >> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and >> shouldn't be lumped in >> with the rest of the HD line in this train of >> discussion. >> >> As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and >> one of mine is >> flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf >> blowers). >> >> While many people (including a number of people I >> know and respect and >> probably yourself included) own HD bikes for >> justifiable reasons (they >> appreciate the bike for what it is because of its >> look and feel, sound, >> etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many >> own them because they >> have allowed their wills to be twisted by >> 'lifestyle' marketing and >> crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that >> this pattern of >> thinking is clearly not in the best interest of >> humanity as a whole. >> >> Mike A18 >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr >> [mailto:so.ez@...] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM >> > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >> > >> > >> > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means >> of >> > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I >> had a Harley >> > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold >> they're >> > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike >> made. >> > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On >> > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM >> > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >> > >> > >> > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they >> want. Lots >> > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't >> necessarily >> > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is >> in extreme >> > disproportion to their capability and value there >> must be >> > some other factor at work. >> > >> > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them >> underpowered, >> > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were >> certainly >> > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd >> probably >> > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a >> Ural. >> > >> > I do however suspect that what drives most >> purchases of these >> > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and >> all the >> > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, >> mugs, etc. is >> > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd >> rather than by >> > researching what would be best for one's needs - >> unless >> > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the >> crowd is >> > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in >> a 'live >> > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these >> people don't >> > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the >> voting booth. >> > >> > Mike A18 >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] >> > > On Behalf Of scott quillen >> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM >> > > To: Michael Silverstein; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >> > > >> > > >> > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those >> "people >> > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want >> and it >> > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what >> they >> > > SHOULD want... >> > > >> > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do >> THEIRS... >> > > >> > > Scott >> > > >> > > --- Michael Silverstein >> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had >> sense >> > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money >> on >> > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of >> > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets >> with >> > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley >> > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance >> the >> > > riding experience or get you from point A to >> point B). >> > > > >> > > > Mike A18 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________________________________________________ >> > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >> page >> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Archive Quicksearch at: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> >> > > _data_search.html List >> > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >> > > www.dualsportnews.com >> > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> > > >> > > >> > > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 >> - Release >> > > Date: 8/23/2005 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - >> Release >> > Date: 8/23/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Archive Quicksearch at: >> > >> > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> > List >> > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >> www.dualsportnews.com List >> > FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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[cruiserjones@sbcglobal.net]

Nah, only if it's deep, slippery, wet, sandy, muddy, greasy, or in any other way unstable! Nothin like a dirt bike that needs perfectly smooth dirt! AH HAH HAH!!! Tim Jones Slowdeatha Tx

----- Original Message ----- From: "John S Harper" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > HAHA. A KLR is a poser it it's own right. It looks like a dirt bike > but it's a "bloated, overweight showboat" when actually used offroad. > > > > > > Sent by: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > 08/25/2005 01:36 PM > > To > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > cc > > Subject > Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > > > > > I know I for one wouldn't be caught dead in (or on) a Cadillac. Correct > comparison, though, bloated, overweight showboat of a vehicle for > posers....I"M KIDDIN! (kinda) > Tim Jones > still stirring > Odessolate Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eugene W Zortea Jr" > To: "scott quillen" ; "Michael Silverstein" > ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > >> These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! >> >> A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. >> In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and is winning this >> year. Beating Suzuki * >> all the others. >> (Quarter mile drag bikes) >> Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be built up for >> speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 cylinder Jap bike out >> there. >> >> I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I say to > that, >> "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or better???????? Where". >> >> It's the Cadillac of bikes. >> >> I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. >> >> Gene >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM >> To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's >> >> >> What a load of BULL... >> >> Scott >> >> --- Michael Silverstein >> wrote: >> >>> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and >>> shouldn't be lumped in >>> with the rest of the HD line in this train of >>> discussion. >>> >>> As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and >>> one of mine is >>> flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf >>> blowers). >>> >>> While many people (including a number of people I >>> know and respect and >>> probably yourself included) own HD bikes for >>> justifiable reasons (they >>> appreciate the bike for what it is because of its >>> look and feel, sound, >>> etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many >>> own them because they >>> have allowed their wills to be twisted by >>> 'lifestyle' marketing and >>> crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that >>> this pattern of >>> thinking is clearly not in the best interest of >>> humanity as a whole. >>> >>> Mike A18 >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr >>> [mailto:so.ez@...] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM >>> > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; >>> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >>> KLR's >>> > >>> > >>> > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means >>> of >>> > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I >>> had a Harley >>> > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold >>> they're >>> > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike >>> made. >>> > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On >>> > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein >>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM >>> > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >>> KLR's >>> > >>> > >>> > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they >>> want. Lots >>> > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't >>> necessarily >>> > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is >>> in extreme >>> > disproportion to their capability and value there >>> must be >>> > some other factor at work. >>> > >>> > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them >>> underpowered, >>> > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were >>> certainly >>> > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd >>> probably >>> > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a >>> Ural. >>> > >>> > I do however suspect that what drives most >>> purchases of these >>> > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and >>> all the >>> > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, >>> mugs, etc. is >>> > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd >>> rather than by >>> > researching what would be best for one's needs - >>> unless >>> > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the >>> crowd is >>> > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in >>> a 'live >>> > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these >>> people don't >>> > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the >>> voting booth. >>> > >>> > Mike A18 >>> > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] >>> > > On Behalf Of scott quillen >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM >>> > > To: Michael Silverstein; >>> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >>> KLR's >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those >>> "people >>> > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want >>> and it >>> > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what >>> they >>> > > SHOULD want... >>> > > >>> > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do >>> THEIRS... >>> > > >>> > > Scott >>> > > >>> > > --- Michael Silverstein >>> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had >>> sense >>> > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money >>> on >>> > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of >>> > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets >>> with >>> > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley >>> > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance >>> the >>> > > riding experience or get you from point A to >>> point B). >>> > > > >>> > > > Mike A18 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ____________________________________________________ >>> > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >>> page >>> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Archive Quicksearch at: >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> >>> > > _data_search.html List >>> > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >>> > > www.dualsportnews.com >>> > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >>> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Yahoo! 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[Erik]

Thirded. With the added caveat of never having ridden ANY motorcycle (bought it before MSF). Impulsive? Me? Never. (actually I researched a lot beforehand, but it retrospect it sure seems stupid) erik

> Ditto > > Rick A17 > > > Eric L. Green wrote: > > I bought my KLR without ever having sat my butt one one, let alone ride > it. I haven't been disappointed. >

[Eric L. Green]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, scott quillen wrote:

> I agree with all of what you said except about Japan's economic bubble > bursting... > > Since when did Japan's economic bubble burst??? > I guessed I missed that one...

Japan has experienced decreasing incomes, deflation, and economic decline since the bubble burst in 1990. In 1998, for example, their economic output decreased by 2%. In 2004, for example, the average wage of a Japanese worker fell by 0.7%.

> I thought they were still doing remarkably well...

Compared to, say, Outer Mongolia, they're doing remarkably well, but living standards and wages in Japan have been falling steadily for the past 15 years, and given current policies, there is no end in sight. No one now talks about Japan's economy surpassing that of the United States. Instead, there is only talk about the upcoming demographic crisis, where, due to the institutionalized racism of the Japanese, there will be insufficient young people to pay for the care of the rapidly aging population. (The Japanese mentality is that importing large numbers of non-Japanese to perform those tasks would destroy their society, sorta like the border vigilantes here in the United States but their whole society is like that). _E

[scott quillen]

Eric, I conceded that I wasn't aware of those circumstances and thanked Mike for providing links to that info. Thanks, Scott "Eric L. Green" wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, scott quillen wrote: > I agree with all of what you said except about Japan's economic bubble > bursting... > > Since when did Japan's economic bubble burst??? > I guessed I missed that one... Japan has experienced decreasing incomes, deflation, and economic decline since the bubble burst in 1990. In 1998, for example, their economic output decreased by 2%. In 2004, for example, the average wage of a Japanese worker fell by 0.7%. > I thought they were still doing remarkably well... Compared to, say, Outer Mongolia, they're doing remarkably well, but living standards and wages in Japan have been falling steadily for the past 15 years, and given current policies, there is no end in sight. No one now talks about Japan's economy surpassing that of the United States. Instead, there is only talk about the upcoming demographic crisis, where, due to the institutionalized racism of the Japanese, there will be insufficient young people to pay for the care of the rapidly aging population. (The Japanese mentality is that importing large numbers of non-Japanese to perform those tasks would destroy their society, sorta like the border vigilantes here in the United States but their whole society is like that). _E Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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