stripped oil drain hole part 3...

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Silverstein" To: "'Ramey'" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; "'scott quillen'" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's >I don't see this particular line of discussion going anywhere > productive. > > On the other hand I find it fascinating (and very unexpected) that there > appears to be a significant number of experienced riders who have an > affinity for both the KLR AND the HD bikes. There are clearly > differences (configuration and price being the most obvious), but are > there some qualities that both of these bikes share that have similar > appeal? > > Mike A18 As the owner of a KLR and a Sportster, I would say yes. I've owned a whole slew of bikes since I began riding in 1975, and I have come to prefer singles and twins. As to shared qualities, they are both a complete blast to ride. Of course, to me, an HD is a motorcycle, not a lifestyle. ed A17 xl883 gs1150 (for that occasional multi fix)

[scott quillen]

yeah...they have similar appeal because they're BOTH MOTORCYCLES! Scott Michael Silverstein wrote: I don't see this particular line of discussion going anywhere productive. On the other hand I find it fascinating (and very unexpected) that there appears to be a significant number of experienced riders who have an affinity for both the KLR AND the HD bikes. There are clearly differences (configuration and price being the most obvious), but are there some qualities that both of these bikes share that have similar appeal? Mike A18

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramey > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:09 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > so, why did ya throw out a pet peeve.....? > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Eugene W Zortea Jr > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:11 PM > To: scott quillen; Michael Silverstein; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! > > A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. > In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and > is winning this > year. Beating Suzuki * > all the others. > (Quarter mile drag bikes) > Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be > built up for speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 > cylinder Jap bike out there. > > I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I > say to that, "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or > better???????? Where". > > It's the Cadillac of bikes. > > I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > What a load of BULL... > > Scott > > --- Michael Silverstein > wrote: > > > I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > > shouldn't be lumped in > > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > > discussion. > > > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > > one of mine is > > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > > blowers). > > > > While many people (including a number of people I > > know and respect and > > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > > justifiable reasons (they > > appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > > look and feel, sound, > > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > > own them because they > > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > > 'lifestyle' marketing and > > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > > this pattern of > > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > > humanity as a whole. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > > of > > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > > had a Harley > > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > > they're > > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike > > made. > > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > > want. Lots > > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > > necessarily > > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is > > in extreme > > > disproportion to their capability and value there > > must be > > > some other factor at work. > > > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > > underpowered, > > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > > certainly > > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd > > probably > > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a > > Ural. > > > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > > purchases of these > > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and > > all the > > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > > mugs, etc. is > > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > > rather than by > > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > > unless > > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the > > crowd is > > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in > > a 'live > > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > > people don't > > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the > > voting booth. > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > > "people > > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want > > and it > > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what > > they > > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > > THEIRS... > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > > sense > > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money > > on > > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > Sportsters (and > > > > extra chrome and leather jackets > > with > > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance > > the > > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > > point B). > > > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > > page > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > > _data_search.html List > > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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[Rick McCauley]

Hi Scott, Maybe you don't remember, but lots of Harley riders would get together at their parties, and hang a Honda from a tree. You could buy a turn to hit it with a fair sized piece of pipe. The bike was usually a hunk of battered metal by the end of the night.That little party activity fits your statement to a "T" if you ask me. Harley folks threw the first stone, drew first blood, etc. However I must say that two wrongs don't make a right. Personally I don't like Harleys because of the way many of their riders acted toward everyone else. Not fair to the corporation, but it's how I feel. best regards Rick A17 scott quillen wrote: Sounds like a bit of insecurity to me...the old "I'll build myself up by tearing someone else down" routine...eh??? ;^) Scott --- Mike Peplinski wrote:

> If it weren't for Harleys who would we throw rocks > at?

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[ron criswell]

What are you smoking? I want some. Criswell

On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, at 06:11 PM, Eugene W Zortea Jr wrote: > These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! > > A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. > In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and is winning this > year. Beating Suzuki * > all the others. > (Quarter mile drag bikes) > Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be built up > for > speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 cylinder Jap bike out > there. > > I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I say to > that, > "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or better???????? Where". > > It's the Cadillac of bikes. > > I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > What a load of BULL... > > Scott > > --- Michael Silverstein > wrote: > >> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and >> shouldn't be lumped in >> with the rest of the HD line in this train of >> discussion. >> >> As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and >> one of mine is >> flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf >> blowers). >> >> While many people (including a number of people I >> know and respect and >> probably yourself included) own HD bikes for >> justifiable reasons (they >> appreciate the bike for what it is because of its >> look and feel, sound, >> etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many >> own them because they >> have allowed their wills to be twisted by >> 'lifestyle' marketing and >> crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that >> this pattern of >> thinking is clearly not in the best interest of >> humanity as a whole. >> >> Mike A18 >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Eugene W Zortea Jr >> [mailto:so.ez@...] >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM >>> To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >>> >>> >>> Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means >> of >>> transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I >> had a Harley >>> for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold >> they're >>> monetary value better than any Jap or English bike >> made. >>> Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On >>> Behalf Of Michael Silverstein >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM >>> To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >>> >>> >>> I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they >> want. Lots >>> of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't >> necessarily >>> true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is >> in extreme >>> disproportion to their capability and value there >> must be >>> some other factor at work. >>> >>> I've ridden Harleys and while I found them >> underpowered, >>> poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were >> certainly >>> compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd >> probably >>> have one myself for a beater bike right next to a >> Ural. >>> >>> I do however suspect that what drives most >> purchases of these >>> relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and >> all the >>> accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, >> mugs, etc. is >>> marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd >> rather than by >>> researching what would be best for one's needs - >> unless >>> buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the >> crowd is >>> one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in >> a 'live >>> and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these >> people don't >>> carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the >> voting booth. >>> >>> Mike A18 >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>> [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] >>>> On Behalf Of scott quillen >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM >>>> To: Michael Silverstein; >> DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of >> KLR's >>>> >>>> >>>> That's quite an observation. Perhaps those >> "people >>>> just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want >> and it >>>> just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what >> they >>>> SHOULD want... >>>> >>>> GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do >> THEIRS... >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> --- Michael Silverstein >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ... If people just entering motorcycling had >> sense >>>> instead of vanity they'd be spending their money >> on >>>> bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of >>>> Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets >> with >>>> fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley >>>> 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance >> the >>>> riding experience or get you from point A to >> point B). >>>>> >>>>> Mike A18 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ____________________________________________________ >>>> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home >> page >>>> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Archive Quicksearch at: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> >>>> _data_search.html List >>>> sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >>>> www.dualsportnews.com >>>> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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[scott quillen]

Rick, I understand...and I know there are Harley riders like that out there...just like there are "less than desirable" KLR riders...they exist in all motorcycle brand/model circles...the "mine is better because it's what I have" mentality. Personally, I don't belong to any such clique except the one that says ALL motorcycles are COOL! I like Harleys, Hondas, Yahamas, Suzukis, Kawasakis...the list goes on and on... Regards, Scott Rick McCauley wrote: Hi Scott, Maybe you don't remember, but lots of Harley riders would get together at their parties, and hang a Honda from a tree. You could buy a turn to hit it with a fair sized piece of pipe. The bike was usually a hunk of battered metal by the end of the night.That little party activity fits your statement to a "T" if you ask me. Harley folks threw the first stone, drew first blood, etc. However I must say that two wrongs don't make a right. Personally I don't like Harleys because of the way many of their riders acted toward everyone else. Not fair to the corporation, but it's how I feel. best regards Rick A17 scott quillen wrote: Sounds like a bit of insecurity to me...the old "I'll build myself up by tearing someone else down" routine...eh??? ;^) Scott --- Mike Peplinski wrote:

> If it weren't for Harleys who would we throw rocks > at?

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[Michael Silverstein]

But some are cooler. For example, in the 70's my dad had a Jawa 350cc "Californian" imported from Czechoslovakia. It was a twin cylinder two stroke road bike that drooled oil like a baby with a tooth ache, spewed enough smoke to clear a ten mile radius of mosquitoes, and could barely reach 60mph wide open, but it had a sound like a fine classical guitar that I can still hear in my head. Mike A18

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of scott quillen > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:21 AM > To: Rick McCauley; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > Rick, > > I understand...and I know there are Harley riders like that > out there...just like there are "less than desirable" KLR > riders...they exist in all motorcycle brand/model > circles...the "mine is better because it's what I have" mentality. > > Personally, I don't belong to any such clique except the one > that says ALL motorcycles are COOL! > > I like Harleys, Hondas, Yahamas, Suzukis, Kawasakis...the > list goes on and on... > > Regards, > Scott > > Rick McCauley wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Maybe you don't remember, but lots of Harley riders would get > together at their parties, and hang a Honda from a tree. You > could buy a turn to hit it with a fair sized piece of pipe. > The bike was usually a hunk of battered metal by the end of > the night.That little party activity fits your statement to a > "T" if you ask me. Harley folks threw the first stone, drew > first blood, etc. However I must say that two wrongs don't > make a right. Personally I don't like Harleys because of the > way many of their riders acted toward everyone else. Not fair > to the corporation, but it's how I feel. > > best regards > Rick A17 > > scott quillen wrote: > > Sounds like a bit of insecurity to me...the old "I'll > build myself up by tearing someone else down" > routine...eh??? ;^) > > Scott > > --- Mike Peplinski wrote: > > > If it weren't for Harleys who would we throw rocks > > at? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release > Date: 8/24/2005 > >

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[Rick McCauley]

I agree fully. My dislike for Harleys is due to the predjudice behavior of others. Not the most mature behavior on my part. We (myself included) need to stop judging the book by it's cover. Rick A17 scott quillen wrote: the "mine is better because it's what I have" mentality. Personally, I don't belong to any such clique except the one that says ALL motorcycles are COOL! I like Harleys, Hondas, Yahamas, Suzukis, Kawasakis...the list goes on and on... Regards, Scott --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scott quillen]

Yep...it's not easy to do...with the age-old stereotypes that exist. I've seen/met some of those Harley riders that reinforce the stereotypes, as well as observed posts from some of the same KLR and BMW riders that also reinforce negative stereotypes about them. It's hard to look past them and realize that all riders of a particular make/model are not like that. I don't appreciate being lumped into that "Harley" stereotype...but if someone is ignorant enough to lump me in with them, then I'm not gonna sweat it too much...it just makes me realize I don't want to meet/associate with that particular person because they have nothing to offer anyway except a closed mind, which I don't care to be around. Life is too short to be associated with idiots... ;^) NO offense intended to ANYONE...if you fall into the above described group, you know who you are... Regards, Scott Rick McCauley wrote: I agree fully. My dislike for Harleys is due to the predjudice behavior of others. Not the most mature behavior on my part. We (myself included) need to stop judging the book by it's cover. Rick A17 scott quillen wrote: the "mine is better because it's what I have" mentality. Personally, I don't belong to any such clique except the one that says ALL motorcycles are COOL! I like Harleys, Hondas, Yahamas, Suzukis, Kawasakis...the list goes on and on... Regards, Scott --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

I have never understood the animosity a lot of Harley guys have toward Japanese bikes. They don't seem to have the same animosity toward European bikes for some reason. Racism ? Maybe? Maybe if you told them about a third of a Sportster is built by the Japanese (brakes , shocks , forks, carbs etc.) they might feel better - or worse. I think the Goldwing is entirely US built. A lot of Japanese bike riders have the same animosity toward Hogly's. They are both fun to ride but never I have been too crazy about ape hangers or pull back bars but after sitting on a few sport bikes and owning a Concourse the crouch riding style ....... is a pain also after a few miles. I think dual sport bikes have the most comfortable riding position for an old guy. Criswell (who doesn't understand a lot - especially why Concourse forks have no drain plugs)

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 05:06 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Maybe you don't remember, but lots of Harley riders would get together > at their parties, and hang a Honda from a tree. You could buy a turn > to hit it with a fair sized piece of pipe. The bike was usually a hunk > of battered metal by the end of the night.That little party activity > fits your statement to a "T" if you ask me. Harley folks threw the > first stone, drew first blood, etc. However I must say that two wrongs > don't make a right. Personally I don't like Harleys because of the way > many of their riders acted toward everyone else. Not fair to the > corporation, but it's how I feel. > > best regards > Rick A17 > > scott quillen wrote: > > Sounds like a bit of insecurity to me...the old "I'll > build myself up by tearing someone else down" > >

[scott quillen]

You guys won't believe what I saw yesterday... A CBR 900RR towing a small trailer!!! I bought a brand new '93 CBR 900RR back in 92...kept it about a year then traded in on a leftover Goldwing - a serious ergonomics issue (for me) with the CBR. Goldwings are built in Marysville Ohio but are still Japanese motorcycles. I don't even want to get into that one. Had that argument last week with a guy who once owned a couple Valkyries and several Goldwings, but has now committed himself to Harley (and all the snobbery that is possible). He is the typical "negative-stereotypical" Harley rider...he now believes if you buy anything made/sold by the Japanese, that you're a traitor...our discussion nearly came to blows. I served our great country for 20 years in the USAF and take MUCH offense to being called a traitor because I'd buy a Toyota or Honda or KLR... Scott Ron Criswell wrote: I have never understood the animosity a lot of Harley guys have toward Japanese bikes. They don't seem to have the same animosity toward European bikes for some reason. Racism ? Maybe? Maybe if you told them about a third of a Sportster is built by the Japanese (brakes , shocks , forks, carbs etc.) they might feel better - or worse. I think the Goldwing is entirely US built. A lot of Japanese bike riders have the same animosity toward Hogly's. They are both fun to ride but never I have been too crazy about ape hangers or pull back bars but after sitting on a few sport bikes and owning a Concourse the crouch riding style ....... is a pain also after a few miles. I think dual sport bikes have the most comfortable riding position for an old guy. Criswell (who doesn't understand a lot - especially why Concourse forks have no drain plugs)

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 05:06 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Maybe you don't remember, but lots of Harley riders would get together > at their parties, and hang a Honda from a tree. You could buy a turn > to hit it with a fair sized piece of pipe. The bike was usually a hunk > of battered metal by the end of the night.That little party activity > fits your statement to a "T" if you ask me. Harley folks threw the > first stone, drew first blood, etc. However I must say that two wrongs > don't make a right. Personally I don't like Harleys because of the way > many of their riders acted toward everyone else. Not fair to the > corporation, but it's how I feel. > > best regards > Rick A17 > > scott quillen wrote: > > Sounds like a bit of insecurity to me...the old "I'll > build myself up by tearing someone else down" > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]