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[Mike Peplinski]

If it weren't for Harleys who would we throw rocks at?

>From: "Michael Silverstein" >To: "'Eugene W Zortea Jr'" ,"'scott quillen'" >,DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:40:38 -0400 > >I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and shouldn't be lumped in >with the rest of the HD line in this train of discussion. > >As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and one of mine is >flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf blowers). > >While many people (including a number of people I know and respect and >probably yourself included) own HD bikes for justifiable reasons (they >appreciate the bike for what it is because of its look and feel, sound, >etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many own them because they >have allowed their wills to be twisted by 'lifestyle' marketing and >crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that this pattern of >thinking is clearly not in the best interest of humanity as a whole. > >Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr [mailto:so.ez@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means of > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I had a Harley > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold they're > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike made. > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they want. Lots > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't necessarily > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is in extreme > > disproportion to their capability and value there must be > > some other factor at work. > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them underpowered, > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were certainly > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd probably > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a Ural. > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most purchases of these > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and all the > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, mugs, etc. is > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd rather than by > > researching what would be best for one's needs - unless > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd is > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in a 'live > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these people don't > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the voting booth. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those "people > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want and it > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what they > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do THEIRS... > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > wrote: > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had sense > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money on > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets with > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance the > > > riding experience or get you from point A to point B). > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > _data_search.html List > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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[RM]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:05:30 -0000, "will gilmore" said:

> I'm getting more comments from people who say they plan to get a > motorcycle in order to save money on gas.

I think they're making a mistake. The overall cost per mile including initial purchase price, insurance, depreciation, repair, maintenance, "mandatory" upgrades, fuel, and all the gear (helmets and jackets are not cheap) make it difficult for most people to justify a motorcycle on a cost basis. There are two things that will tilt the equation in favor of the bike: the owner doing all maintenance and repair, and high miles per year (to allow the fuel savings to offset other costs). If someone follows the owner's manual maintenance schedule religiously, uses only OEM and/or dealer-supplied parts, and has a dealer do *all* work, their "cheap" KLR will get expensive really fast. I can make it cheap, but I do my own wrenching, hit eBay for parts, run Kendas, adapt parts from other bikes, etc etc. The average Joe won't be as resourceful as I've been. RM

[Mike Peplinski]

I'm not sure I can agree with you figures. The most I can lose in depreciation is $5000, the full cost of the bike. Most cars depreciate that much in 2 years or less. Maintenance is about the same hourly rate as an auto mechanic but there are far fewer systems to need adjustment on a bike. Tires are indeed expensive and really don't last long but a little smart purchasing can cut this expense drastically. Insurance is a fraction of car insurance. Upgrades are not necessary. Well, maybe the doohickey, but oil changes and such aren't free for cars either. Ok, the one unique expense is the helmet. You don't need one in a car but the jacket and other gear aren't necessary, just recommended. Please tell me again how motorcycles are about the same cost per mile ast cars.

>From: "RM" >To: "will gilmore" , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] New generation of KLR's >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:30:16 -0700 > >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:05:30 -0000, "will gilmore" > said: > > > I'm getting more comments from people who say they plan to get a > > motorcycle in order to save money on gas. > >I think they're making a mistake. The overall cost per mile including >initial purchase price, insurance, depreciation, repair, maintenance, >"mandatory" upgrades, fuel, and all the gear (helmets and jackets are >not cheap) make it difficult for most people to justify a motorcycle on >a cost basis. > >There are two things that will tilt the equation in favor of the bike: >the owner doing all maintenance and repair, and high miles per year (to >allow the fuel savings to offset other costs). > >If someone follows the owner's manual maintenance schedule religiously, >uses only OEM and/or dealer-supplied parts, and has a dealer do *all* >work, their "cheap" KLR will get expensive really fast. > >I can make it cheap, but I do my own wrenching, hit eBay for parts, run >Kendas, adapt parts from other bikes, etc etc. The average Joe won't be >as resourceful as I've been. > >RM > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[scott quillen]

What a load of BULL... Scott --- Michael Silverstein wrote:

> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > shouldn't be lumped in > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > discussion. > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > one of mine is > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > blowers). > > While many people (including a number of people I > know and respect and > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > justifiable reasons (they > appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > look and feel, sound, > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > own them because they > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > 'lifestyle' marketing and > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > this pattern of > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > humanity as a whole. > > Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > of > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > had a Harley > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > they're > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike > made. > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > want. Lots > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > necessarily > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is > in extreme > > disproportion to their capability and value there > must be > > some other factor at work. > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > underpowered, > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > certainly > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd > probably > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a > Ural. > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > purchases of these > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and > all the > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > mugs, etc. is > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > rather than by > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > unless > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the > crowd is > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in > a 'live > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > people don't > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the > voting booth. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > "people > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want > and it > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what > they > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > THEIRS... > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > sense > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money > on > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets > with > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance > the > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > point B). > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > _data_search.html List > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 > - Release > > > Date: 8/23/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - > Release > > Date: 8/23/2005 > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > >

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[scott quillen]

Why throw rocks at all??? Sounds like a bit of insecurity to me...the old "I'll build myself up by tearing someone else down" routine...eh??? ;^) Scott --- Mike Peplinski wrote:

> If it weren't for Harleys who would we throw rocks > at? > > > >From: "Michael Silverstein" > > >To: "'Eugene W Zortea Jr'" > ,"'scott quillen'" > >,DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > >Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:40:38 -0400 > > > >I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > shouldn't be lumped in > >with the rest of the HD line in this train of > discussion. > > > >As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > one of mine is > >flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > blowers). > > > >While many people (including a number of people I > know and respect and > >probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > justifiable reasons (they > >appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > look and feel, sound, > >etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > own them because they > >have allowed their wills to be twisted by > 'lifestyle' marketing and > >crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > this pattern of > >thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > humanity as a whole. > > > >Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > of > > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > had a Harley > > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > they're > > > monetary value better than any Jap or English > bike made. > > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > want. Lots > > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > necessarily > > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road > is in extreme > > > disproportion to their capability and value > there must be > > > some other factor at work. > > > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > underpowered, > > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > certainly > > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced > I'd probably > > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to > a Ural. > > > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > purchases of these > > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes > and all the > > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > mugs, etc. is > > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > rather than by > > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > unless > > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with > the crowd is > > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable > in a 'live > > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > people don't > > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into > the voting booth. > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation > of KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > "people > > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they > want and it > > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of > what they > > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > THEIRS... > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > sense > > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their > money on > > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead > of > > > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather > jackets with > > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to > enhance the > > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > point B). > > > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > > _data_search.html List > > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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[Michael Silverstein]

All of it? Even the part where I complement you? I guess you're right after all. Mike A18

> -----Original Message----- > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > What a load of BULL... > > Scott > > --- Michael Silverstein > wrote: > > > I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > > shouldn't be lumped in > > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > > discussion. > > > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > > one of mine is > > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > > blowers). > > > > While many people (including a number of people I > > know and respect and > > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > > justifiable reasons (they > > appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > > look and feel, sound, > > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > > own them because they > > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > > 'lifestyle' marketing and > > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > > this pattern of > > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > > humanity as a whole. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > > of > > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > > had a Harley > > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > > they're > > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike > > made. > > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > > want. Lots > > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > > necessarily > > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is > > in extreme > > > disproportion to their capability and value there > > must be > > > some other factor at work. > > > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > > underpowered, > > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > > certainly > > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd > > probably > > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a > > Ural. > > > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > > purchases of these > > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and > > all the > > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > > mugs, etc. is > > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > > rather than by > > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > > unless > > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the > > crowd is > > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in > > a 'live > > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > > people don't > > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the > > voting booth. > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > > "people > > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want > > and it > > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what > > they > > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > > THEIRS... > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > > sense > > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money > > on > > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > Sportsters (and > > > > extra chrome and leather jackets > > with > > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance > > the > > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > > point B). > > > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > > page > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > > _data_search.html List > > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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[scott quillen]

Mike, First of all...I don't need to justify owning a Harley...to you or anyone else. I wanted one, I bought it, I'm enjoying riding it immensely...end of story. I also don't need any gratuitous complements from you or anyone else about my Harley. I bought it for ME and MY enjoyment...the same reason I bought my KLR. All I'm saying is you shouldn't take it upon yourself to decide what's "best for everyone". We can make our own decisions about what motorcycles, accessories, etc. to buy. And if we fall prey to the great HD marketing machine, then so be it...you shouldn't lose any sleep over it. Regards, Scott --- Michael Silverstein wrote:

> All of it? Even the part where I complement you? I > guess you're right > after all. > > Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > What a load of BULL... > > > > Scott > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > wrote: > > > > > I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > > > shouldn't be lumped in > > > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > > > discussion. > > > > > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves > and > > > one of mine is > > > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on > leaf > > > blowers). > > > > > > While many people (including a number of people > I > > > know and respect and > > > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > > > justifiable reasons (they > > > appreciate the bike for what it is because of > its > > > look and feel, sound, > > > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, > many > > > own them because they > > > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > > > 'lifestyle' marketing and > > > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown > that > > > this pattern of > > > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > > > humanity as a whole. > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > > > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation > of > > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a > means > > > of > > > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. > I > > > had a Harley > > > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they > hold > > > they're > > > > monetary value better than any Jap or English > bike > > > made. > > > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > > > To: 'scott quillen'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation > of > > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what > they > > > want. Lots > > > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that > aren't > > > necessarily > > > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road > is > > > in extreme > > > > disproportion to their capability and value > there > > > must be > > > > some other factor at work. > > > > > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > > > underpowered, > > > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > > > certainly > > > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced > I'd > > > probably > > > > have one myself for a beater bike right next > to a > > > Ural. > > > > > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > > > purchases of these > > > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes > and > > > all the > > > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, > t-shirts, > > > mugs, etc. is > > > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > > > rather than by > > > > researching what would be best for one's needs > - > > > unless > > > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with > the > > > crowd is > > > > one's primary need. This is certainly > tolerable in > > > a 'live > > > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope > these > > > people don't > > > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into > the > > > voting booth. > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation > of > > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > > > "people > > > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they > want > > > and it > > > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of > what > > > they > > > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > > > THEIRS... > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > > > sense > > > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their > money > > > on > > > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing > instead of > > Sportsters (and > > > > > extra chrome and leather jackets > > > with > > > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other > Harley > > > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to > enhance > > > the > > > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > > > point B). > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Eugene W Zortea Jr]

These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and is winning this year. Beating Suzuki * all the others. (Quarter mile drag bikes) Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be built up for speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 cylinder Jap bike out there. I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I say to that, "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or better???????? Where". It's the Cadillac of bikes. I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. Gene -----Original Message----- From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's What a load of BULL... Scott --- Michael Silverstein wrote:

> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > shouldn't be lumped in > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > discussion. > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > one of mine is > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > blowers). > > While many people (including a number of people I > know and respect and > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > justifiable reasons (they > appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > look and feel, sound, > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > own them because they > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > 'lifestyle' marketing and > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > this pattern of > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > humanity as a whole. > > Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > of > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > had a Harley > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > they're > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike > made. > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > want. Lots > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > necessarily > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is > in extreme > > disproportion to their capability and value there > must be > > some other factor at work. > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > underpowered, > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > certainly > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd > probably > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a > Ural. > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > purchases of these > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and > all the > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > mugs, etc. is > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > rather than by > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > unless > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the > crowd is > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in > a 'live > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > people don't > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the > voting booth. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > "people > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want > and it > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what > they > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > THEIRS... > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > sense > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money > on > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets > with > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance > the > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > point B). > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > _data_search.html List > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 > - Release > > > Date: 8/23/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - > Release > > Date: 8/23/2005 > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > >

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[Ramey]

so, why did ya throw out a pet peeve.....? -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Eugene W Zortea Jr Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:11 PM To: scott quillen; Michael Silverstein; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and is winning this year. Beating Suzuki * all the others. (Quarter mile drag bikes) Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be built up for speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 cylinder Jap bike out there. I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I say to that, "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or better???????? Where". It's the Cadillac of bikes. I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. Gene -----Original Message----- From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's What a load of BULL... Scott --- Michael Silverstein wrote:

> I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > shouldn't be lumped in > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > discussion. > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > one of mine is > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > blowers). > > While many people (including a number of people I > know and respect and > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > justifiable reasons (they > appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > look and feel, sound, > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > own them because they > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > 'lifestyle' marketing and > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > this pattern of > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > humanity as a whole. > > Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > of > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > had a Harley > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > they're > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike > made. > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > want. Lots > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > necessarily > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is > in extreme > > disproportion to their capability and value there > must be > > some other factor at work. > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > underpowered, > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > certainly > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd > probably > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a > Ural. > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > purchases of these > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and > all the > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > mugs, etc. is > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > rather than by > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > unless > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the > crowd is > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in > a 'live > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > people don't > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the > voting booth. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > KLR's > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > "people > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want > and it > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what > they > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > THEIRS... > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > sense > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money > on > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > > > Sportsters (and extra chrome and leather jackets > with > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance > the > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > point B). > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > _data_search.html List > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 > - Release > > > Date: 8/23/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/80 - > Release > > Date: 8/23/2005 > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > >

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[Michael Silverstein]

I don't see this particular line of discussion going anywhere productive. On the other hand I find it fascinating (and very unexpected) that there appears to be a significant number of experienced riders who have an affinity for both the KLR AND the HD bikes. There are clearly differences (configuration and price being the most obvious), but are there some qualities that both of these bikes share that have similar appeal? Mike A18

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ramey > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:09 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > so, why did ya throw out a pet peeve.....? > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Eugene W Zortea Jr > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:11 PM > To: scott quillen; Michael Silverstein; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > These emails are for tech Q&A's NOT FOR PET PEEVES!!!!!! > > A few facts: The fastest motorcycle on the earth is a Harley. > In the NHRA the Harley V Twin won last year and > is winning this > year. Beating Suzuki * > all the others. > (Quarter mile drag bikes) > Ergo, a Harley is built for cruzing and if needed it can be > built up for speed and will be as fast or faster than any 4 > cylinder Jap bike out there. > > I know you're saying "The Jap bikes come stock fast". Well I > say to that, "Where on earth do I need to go 150 mph or > better???????? Where". > > It's the Cadillac of bikes. > > I love my KLR. I also loved my Fatboy and Ultra Classic. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott quillen [mailto:scottq60@...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:06 PM > To: Michael Silverstein; 'Eugene W Zortea Jr'; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of KLR's > > > What a load of BULL... > > Scott > > --- Michael Silverstein > wrote: > > > I agree the V-Rod is a whole other animal and > > shouldn't be lumped in > > with the rest of the HD line in this train of > > discussion. > > > > As to lightening up, we all have our pet peeves and > > one of mine is > > flawed thinking (don't even get me started on leaf > > blowers). > > > > While many people (including a number of people I > > know and respect and > > probably yourself included) own HD bikes for > > justifiable reasons (they > > appreciate the bike for what it is because of its > > look and feel, sound, > > etc.) and are willing to may extra for them, many > > own them because they > > have allowed their wills to be twisted by > > 'lifestyle' marketing and > > crowd mentality. Historical events have shown that > > this pattern of > > thinking is clearly not in the best interest of > > humanity as a whole. > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eugene W Zortea Jr > > [mailto:so.ez@...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:15 AM > > > To: Michael Silverstein; 'scott quillen'; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > Brother you got to lighten up. It's just a means > > of > > > transportation. For most just a weekend hobby. I > > had a Harley > > > for 14 years and loved it. You do know they hold > > they're > > > monetary value better than any Jap or English bike > > made. > > > Don't tell me a V-Rod is under powered. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Silverstein > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:01 PM > > > To: 'scott quillen'; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > I don't dispute that these people KNOW what they > > want. Lots > > > of people KNOW a whole lot of things that aren't > > necessarily > > > true. Since the number of HD bikes on the road is > > in extreme > > > disproportion to their capability and value there > > must be > > > some other factor at work. > > > > > > I've ridden Harleys and while I found them > > underpowered, > > > poorly engineered lumps, some aspects were > > certainly > > > compelling. If HD bikes weren't so overpriced I'd > > probably > > > have one myself for a beater bike right next to a > > Ural. > > > > > > I do however suspect that what drives most > > purchases of these > > > relatively incapable and way overpriced bikes and > > all the > > > accompanying chrome, leather fringes, t-shirts, > > mugs, etc. is > > > marketing hype and fitting in with the crowd > > rather than by > > > researching what would be best for one's needs - > > unless > > > buying into marketing hype and fitting in with the > > crowd is > > > one's primary need. This is certainly tolerable in > > a 'live > > > and let live' sort of way but I sure hope these > > people don't > > > carry that same pattern of poor reasoning into the > > voting booth. > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of scott quillen > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:21 PM > > > > To: Michael Silverstein; > > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: New generation of > > KLR's > > > > > > > > > > > > That's quite an observation. Perhaps those > > "people > > > > just entering motorcycling" KNOW what they want > > and it > > > > just doesn't happen to fit your opinion of what > > they > > > > SHOULD want... > > > > > > > > GEEZ...YOU do YOUR thing and LET THEM do > > THEIRS... > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > --- Michael Silverstein > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ... If people just entering motorcycling had > > sense > > > > instead of vanity they'd be spending their money > > on > > > > bikes like the Burgman or Silver Wing instead of > Sportsters (and > > > > extra chrome and leather jackets > > with > > > > fringes and t-shirts and all the other Harley > > > > 'lifestyle' garbage that does nothing to enhance > > the > > > > riding experience or get you from point A to > > point B). > > > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > > page > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650> > > > > _data_search.html List > > > > sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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