internal resistance of water temp sensor

[John Mellquist]

Probably worst of all, I have the stock doohickey.

> ...Maybe. > > Mike "Livin' Dangerously" Frey

After reading all of the hoopla about Harleys, lifestyles, Democrats and Muslims, I think Mike has it boiled down to the gist of It All. Those of us with stock doohickeys are livin' on the edge! John "What Else Could Possibly Go Wrong?" Mellquist

[Pat Schmid]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Mellquist" wrote:

> Probably worst of all, I have the stock doohickey. > > ...Maybe. > > > > Mike "Livin' Dangerously" Frey > > After reading all of the hoopla about Harleys, lifestyles, Democrats > and Muslims, I think Mike has it boiled down to the gist of It All. > Those of us with stock doohickeys are livin' on the edge! > > John "What Else Could Possibly Go Wrong?" Mellquist

Been living on the edge for the last 75,000+ miles with my KLR. Pat G'ville, NV

[John Mellquist]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Pat Schmid" wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Mellquist"

> wrote: > > Probably worst of all, I have the stock doohickey. > > > ...Maybe. > > > > > > Mike "Livin' Dangerously" Frey > > > > After reading all of the hoopla about Harleys, lifestyles,

Democrats

> > and Muslims, I think Mike has it boiled down to the gist of It

All.

> > Those of us with stock doohickeys are livin' on the edge! > > > > John "What Else Could Possibly Go Wrong?" Mellquist > > Been living on the edge for the last 75,000+ miles with my KLR. > > Pat > G'ville, NV

That is very reassuring to hear, Pat. Not wanting to get phobic about the doohickey, I have been tuning out the little voice that speaks to me about failure of this component and the catastrophic results thereof. And since I bought the extended warranty, I feel like I am daring it to fail so as to justify the additional $600 for the warranty. BTW, I wonder if any of the aftermarket doohickeys have ever failed? John Napa, CA

[scott quillen]

I can't imagine ANYTHING causing an Eagle doohickey to fail short of a direct hit by an RPG or other high explosive/projectile! ;^) That is one SOLID piece of work! Scott John Mellquist wrote: --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Pat Schmid" wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Mellquist" > wrote: > > Probably worst of all, I have the stock doohickey. > > > ...Maybe. > > > > > > Mike "Livin' Dangerously" Frey > > > > After reading all of the hoopla about Harleys, lifestyles,

Democrats

> > and Muslims, I think Mike has it boiled down to the gist of It

All.

> > Those of us with stock doohickeys are livin' on the edge! > > > > John "What Else Could Possibly Go Wrong?" Mellquist > > Been living on the edge for the last 75,000+ miles with my KLR. > > Pat > G'ville, NV

That is very reassuring to hear, Pat. Not wanting to get phobic about the doohickey, I have been tuning out the little voice that speaks to me about failure of this component and the catastrophic results thereof. And since I bought the extended warranty, I feel like I am daring it to fail so as to justify the additional $600 for the warranty. BTW, I wonder if any of the aftermarket doohickeys have ever failed? John Napa, CA Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 8/26/2005 8:06:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, scottq60@... writes: That is very reassuring to hear, Pat. Not wanting to get phobic about the doohickey, I have been tuning out the little voice that speaks to me about failure of this component and the catastrophic results thereof. And since I bought the extended warranty, I feel like I am daring it to fail so as to justify the additional $600 for the warranty. I sincerely hope it doesn't fail but my experience shows that there is the possibility of harm beyond just the financial aspect if there is a failure. When my balancer system broke due to a bad doohickey it caused the engine to lock up. Fortunately I was only about a 1/4 mile from home at that point and putting along at 40 or mph and was able to grab the clutch and come to a stop. Earlier that day, however, I had been on twisty, tree lined Pozo Road riding at a very brisk pace and a lock up on one of those corners would have had severe injury or worse potential. Yes, I know that few engines lock up from doohickey failure and the odds are in your favor, etc. Nonetheless I'm happy I spent the small amount of money and the couple of hours to make sure it doesn't happen to me again. Regards, Kurt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Frey]

I plan to get to mine over the winter, so I'll be able say that I "did the doo" In almost every vehicle I've owned, if you find a group of enthusiasts, you'll find a weakness. 2 serious examples: Dodge Stealth / Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo - AWD transfer case gradually leaks oil, transfer case can seize at the most inopportune time, causing all 4 wheels to lock up. Documented cases of this happening at highway speeds, no known major injuries. Solution: Solved by mandatory recall by NHTSA, dealers replace defective units. Ford Taurus V8 SHO 1996-1999 - Camshaft drive sprocket is a press fit. Hundreds of well documented cases of sprocket failure - some on cars with only a few thousand miles - causes camshaft to stop rotating. Catastrophic engine failure is the normal result when pistons strike open valves. Ford denies that there is, or ever was, a problem. Most dealers completely unaware of issue. Solution: Weld sprockets on all 4 camshafts. Krgrife@... wrote:

>In a message dated 8/26/2005 8:06:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >scottq60@... writes: > >That is very reassuring to hear, Pat. Not wanting to get phobic >about the doohickey, I have been tuning out the little voice that >speaks to me about failure of this component and the catastrophic >results thereof. And since I bought the extended warranty, I feel >like I am daring it to fail so as to justify the additional $600 for >the warranty. > >I sincerely hope it doesn't fail but my experience shows that there is the >possibility of harm beyond just the financial aspect if there is a failure. >When my balancer system broke due to a bad doohickey it caused the engine to >lock up. Fortunately I was only about a 1/4 mile from home at that point and >putting along at 40 or mph and was able to grab the clutch and come to a >stop. Earlier that day, however, I had been on twisty, tree lined Pozo Road >riding at a very brisk pace and a lock up on one of those corners would have had >severe injury or worse potential. Yes, I know that few engines lock up from >doohickey failure and the odds are in your favor, etc. Nonetheless I'm happy >I spent the small amount of money and the couple of hours to make sure it >doesn't happen to me again. >Regards, >Kurt > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >

[Eric L. Green]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, John Mellquist wrote:

> BTW, I wonder if any of the aftermarket doohickeys have ever failed?

That would be seriously unlikely. Said aftermarket pieces are seriously beefy. You'd strip out the threads on the adjuster bolt before putting the tiniest dent in one of them. That said, the *springs* are another story. I believe it was Mr. Moose who said he had two of the aftermarket springs break over the years on his (late, lamented) Barbie KLR. -E

[efax1007]

Since the dohickey is such a known weak point and there's so much information about it on these lists and the net, in general, AND there's so many KLR owners out there and the doohickey design hasn't been changed (nor the rest of the design for that matter)--- all this I would tend to believe that if it was a major factor, and people were getting seriously hurt as a result, there would be some lawsuits out there with Kawasaki. I have yet to hear about any lawsuits, recalls, or even anyone getting hurt because of the design flaw. Course, I'm relatively new to the KLR world, so maybe there are people out there who have gotten hurt, or know people who have gotten hurt as a result of this design flaw. Just seems to me that there's enough press to make a lawsuit pretty easy. Anyone ever hear of a lawsuit resulting from the doohickey design flaw? or anyone ever been hurt? ScottS A7 Steamboat, CO

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Krgrife@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/26/2005 8:06:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > scottq60@y... writes: > > That is very reassuring to hear, Pat. Not wanting to get phobic > about the doohickey, I have been tuning out the little voice that > speaks to me about failure of this component and the catastrophic > results thereof. And since I bought the extended warranty, I feel > like I am daring it to fail so as to justify the additional $600 for > the warranty. > > I sincerely hope it doesn't fail but my experience shows that there is the > possibility of harm beyond just the financial aspect if there is a failure. > When my balancer system broke due to a bad doohickey it caused the engine to > lock up. Fortunately I was only about a 1/4 mile from home at that point and > putting along at 40 or mph and was able to grab the clutch and come to a > stop. Earlier that day, however, I had been on twisty, tree lined Pozo Road > riding at a very brisk pace and a lock up on one of those corners would have had > severe injury or worse potential. Yes, I know that few engines lock up from > doohickey failure and the odds are in your favor, etc. Nonetheless I'm happy > I spent the small amount of money and the couple of hours to make sure it > doesn't happen to me again. > Regards, > Kurt > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[efax1007]

Great! a discrepency between Clymers and the Kawa manuals. Kawa manual states: Water temp sender resistance: At 80 deg. c 176 deg. f 100-150 ohms At 100 deg. c 212 deg. f 52-78 ohms I get 60, and 40 ohms when I test mine. Now I don't know what to do. ScottS A7

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Chris Jennings wrote: > Out of the Clymers 1987-2003 KLR650 manual > > Water temp sender resistance > At 80 deg. c 176 deg. f 47-57 ohms > At 100 deg. c 212 deg. f 26-30 ohms > > Water temp gauge resistance > Black/yellow -to- yellow white wires 80-100 ohms > Brown -to- yellow white wires 95-120 ohms > > on 8/25/05 8:54, efax1007 at efax1007@y... wrote: > > > Can someone please forward me the internal resistance values for the > > water temp sensor from the 1993 manual? I have 1984 manual for my 93 > > and I think it is probably unchanged, but I just want to make sure > > before ordering a $30 part. In my manual, its on page 14-22 and lists > > 100-150 ohms at 176 deg. F, and 52-78 ohms at 212 deg. F. I came up > > with 55 and 40 ohms, respectively. course, I couldn't get the water > > above about 200 deg since boiling point is lower at this altitude > > (7000' in Steamboat). I've seen a couple of old farts on KLRs lately > > in town, maybe someone on this list? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >