gas price woes - nklr

[whoisjobo]

I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting over nothing. Any help would be appreciated.

[Shopper]

The fan should start when the temp needle reaches the middle of the gauge. Does it ? If not, probably an electrical problem... Other people reported issues with the fan relay. Steph, A19, Ottawa

----- Original Message ----- From: "whoisjobo" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Overheating Issues >I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, > the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic > to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp > guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to > run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I > recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the > bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting > over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[John Thompson]

Also check the fan's ground wire - mine is attached to the left side of the fan JT

>From: "Shopper" >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>,"whoisjobo" >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Overheating Issues >Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:26:50 -0400 > >The fan should start when the temp needle reaches the middle of the gauge. >Does it ? >If not, probably an electrical problem... Other people reported issues with >the fan relay. > >Steph, A19, Ottawa > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "whoisjobo" >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:23 PM >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Overheating Issues > > > >I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, > > the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic > > to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp > > guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to > > run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I > > recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the > > bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting > > over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Shopper]

But of course check the fuse first Steph

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Thompson" To: ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Overheating Issues > Also check the fan's ground wire - mine is attached to the left side of > the > fan > > JT > > >>From: "Shopper" >>To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>,"whoisjobo" >>Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Overheating Issues >>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:26:50 -0400 >> >>The fan should start when the temp needle reaches the middle of the gauge. >>Does it ? >>If not, probably an electrical problem... Other people reported issues >>with >>the fan relay. >> >>Steph, A19, Ottawa >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "whoisjobo" >>To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:23 PM >>Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Overheating Issues >> >> >> >I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, >> > the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic >> > to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp >> > guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to >> > run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I >> > recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the >> > bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting >> > over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Archive Quicksearch at: >> > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >>Archive Quicksearch at: >>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >>List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[Mike Frey]

whoisjobo wrote:

>I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, >the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic >to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp >guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to >run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I >recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the >bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting >over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. > > >

How hot is "HOT HOT"? I think that this summer, almost any point in the country has experienced temperatures well above normal. In PA on a 95 degree day, in traffic and/or low speeds, my 2004 KLR temp gauge needle runs about halfway between straight up and the "H" line. (At this point, the fan also continues to run after the bike is shut off) The fan is on whenever the needle goes just past the halfway point.

[ron criswell]

Try rejetting to a richer setting and use EngineIce coolant. Mine runs cooler this way. Criswell

On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 11:23 AM, whoisjobo wrote: > I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, > the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic > to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp > guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to > run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I > recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the > bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting > over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Mike Frey]

Another good idea from Ron. KLRs run very lean at factory settings (and usually get excellent fuel mileage) and a richer rejet will cool them down. Although I spoke out against 93 octane fuel, engine running too hot is actually one reason to use it - it does not combust as readily as 87 octane, so it will take more fuel to maintain the same throttle setting, thus cooling the engine a little. Ron Criswell wrote:

>Try rejetting to a richer setting and use EngineIce coolant. Mine runs >cooler this way. > >Criswell >On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 11:23 AM, whoisjobo wrote: > > > >>I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, >>the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic >>to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp >>guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to >>run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I >>recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the >>bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting >>over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> >>Archive Quicksearch at: >>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >>List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

[Blake Sobiloff]

On 8/17/05, Mike Frey wrote:

> Although I spoke out against 93 octane fuel, engine running too hot is > actually one reason to use it - it does not combust as readily as 87 > octane, so it will take more fuel to maintain the same throttle setting, > thus cooling the engine a little.

True, and it might be a good temporary measure, but I don't think it's a long-term solution. (Not that you were suggesting that it is, I just don't want the original poster to get the wrong idea.) The original poster's bike has a serious problem and he needs to get it fixed soon before the consistent overheating warps the head or cylinder. His radiator or a radiator hose could be plugged, the thermostat could be frozen shut, his radiator fan might not be working, or an improperly adjusted carb might be causing the bike to run extremely lean. I wouldn't recommend continued operation until the problem can be found and fixed, but that's just me. -- Blake Sobiloff San Jose, CA (USA)

[dooden]

Lots of ideas on this one.. Try opening the pilot circuit on the carb, this will allow easier starting, cooler running and just seems to let the engine run better at about 2~2.5 turns out. Cooling fan, working ? fuse, relay, bad fan.. pull wire off bottom of radiator and ground to a engine fin, if fan runs the fuse and fan are good. Few have reported when running with a tank pannier (covering the vent on the left side) the bike runs cooler. Never heard of Engine Ice Coolant.. Be wary of snake oils, it may be good dunno, but ensure the radiator is full, and the coolant overflow bottle, few have reported the bottom of the coolant bottle where the hose connects has been melted shut (coolant cannot move between the system and the overflow bottle if sealed) Could be a sticky thermostat, bout the only way to test is to remove and check it.. Good Luck Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote: > Another good idea from Ron. KLRs run very lean at factory settings (and > usually get excellent fuel mileage) and a richer rejet will cool them down. > > Although I spoke out against 93 octane fuel, engine running too hot is > actually one reason to use it - it does not combust as readily as 87 > octane, so it will take more fuel to maintain the same throttle setting, > thus cooling the engine a little. > > Ron Criswell wrote: > > >Try rejetting to a richer setting and use EngineIce coolant. Mine runs > >cooler this way. > > > >Criswell > >On Wednesday, August 17, 2005, at 11:23 AM, whoisjobo wrote: > > > > > > > >>I have a 2002 and have been having overheating issues. In traffic, > >>the temp guage goes to HOT HOT. I try to cruise through the traffic > >>to assist in cooling, but the bike trickles back to Hot on the temp > >>guage as soon as I stop moving. I have been told that bikes tend to > >>run hot normally. I am just afraid I am going to fry the engine. I > >>recently brought the bike in for a check up and the shop said that the > >>bike was fine. Should I look into this more or am I just fretting > >>over nothing. Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Archive Quicksearch at: > >>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > >>List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > >>List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > >> > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[John Mellquist]

It has been a few years since I worked for a Shell refinery via a construction/inspection contractor, but as I recall, there are two major profit centers within a large oil company: production (drilling) and manufacturing (refining). When the price of a barrel drops (usually due to overproduction), production cuts back, or stockpiles, as does manufacturing, until prices come back up. While lower cost per barrel is bad for production, manufacturing profits from cheaper crude, and the public sees, theoretically, a cut in pump prices. When the cost of production is high, manufacturing pays more to get that barrel to refine, the cost of refining and pump prices go up. It used to be that the economic balance for an oil company was about $20/barrel, but that was when pump prices were just over a buck/gallon. Simplistically speaking, it's supply and demand. Supply being controlled by factors like OPEC, production/refining capacity, logistics, and the like. Either way, however, oil companies seldom lose. I do have this conspiracy theory however . . . Call it greed, call it need, call it whatever you want, but consumption is the only control John Q. Public has in the equation. IMHO, the demand for oil is only going to increase as time goes by. So for my part, I'm riding my KLR more since it has become more economical inspite of higher maintenance and other operating costs, mainly tires, over my car. Keeping if friendly, John Mellquist Napa, CA

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > What a simplistic bunch of uninformed idiots. I work in the oilfield every > day. Oil feeds my family and pays my taxes. You have no understanding > whatsoever of the global situation controlling oil prices. Primarily, oil > price is controlled by opec. That's right, not the oil companies, but a > bunch of guys in rag hats. Failure of America to encourage exploration > through tax cuts and end our dependence on foreign oil has led us to the > place we are now. I truly feel sorry for you guys....you think the big ole > bad oil companies are out to get you. Are they making profits right now? > You betcha. Were you able to get gas when it was 8.00 a barrell less than > three years ago when the oil companies were losing their ass? Sure. If you > want to rid the US of the oil companies, better plan on an electric powered > KLR. > Tim Jones > Odessa Tx > Right effin middle of the oilpatch > Proud of it! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eugene W Zortea Jr" > To: "scott quillen" ; "Craig" ; > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:27 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Gas price woes > > > >I agree. There was no shortage in the 80's and there's no shortage now. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of scott quillen > > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:25 PM > > To: Craig; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas price woes > > > > > > Most heartily disagree...what's driving prices up in > > this country is GREED of the oil companies based on > > the rising price of crude. > > > > There is NO shortage...only GREED. > > > > Scott > > > > --- Craig wrote: > > > >> The poor Btits are paying about $6-$7/gallon > >> equivalent and have > >> been for years. And it's not like they're importing > >> all their fuel. > >> Ever heard of BP (British Pretroleum)? > >> > >> It's not fun to be paying double what we were last > >> year but at the > >> same time, until people start realizing you don't > >> need 5.4 litres of > >> V8 to get to Safeway, it's not going to come down. > >> The Brits pay > >> what they do because the government taxes it heavily > >> to encourage > >> people to buy fuel-efficient vehicles. The consumers > >> therefore put > >> pressure on the automakers to manufacture such > >> vehicles. The end > >> result? My brother drives an Audi A2 turbo diesel > >> that gets close to > >> 70 MPG. A vehicle that Audi does not even market to > >> the states > >> because they obviously feel there is no market for > >> it. The average > >> family car operates on a 1.8 ot 2.0 litre engine. > >> And don't fool > >> yourself that they have "no go". The end end result? > >> They don't pay > >> that much more to operate their vehicles and they > >> are consuming a > >> lot less fuel and producing a lot less related > >> polution. > >> > >> IMHO, the average American consumer needs to realize > >> that in the > >> long run, we determine what is produced and what the > >> acceptable > >> price is for that product. Including gasoline. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley > >> > >> wrote: > >> > I understand that some places pay double what we > >> pay even now. Our > >> complaint is that gas prices have doubled in a > >> relatively short > >> period of time. It has really dug into ones budget. > >> It would be like > >> your gas jumping to $2.50 / litre in a short period > >> of time. > >> > > >> > Rick A17 > >> > > >> > DWakefield wrote: > >> > Oh geez how good that must be. $2.58 for a US > >> gallon of Premium is > >> around > >> > 68c per litre. Hobart price for equivalent fuel > >> almost $1.26 per > >> litre. > >> > > >> > David > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > >> [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > >> > Behalf Of scott quillen > >> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2005 9:57 PM > >> > To: Rick McCauley; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > >> > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gas US$18.93 to fill > >> up my KLR > >> > > >> > I definitely wish I'd kept my Festivas...sold one > >> last summer and > >> the other > >> > blew a head gasket so I donated it since I was out > >> of state, away > >> from my > >> > garage & tools. > >> > > >> > Both were fuel injected/5spds with A/C and > >> averaged 38-43 mpg, > >> depending on > >> > how hard I pushed them. MAN...I miss those cars! > >> > > >> > Scott > >> > > >> > Rick McCauley wrote: > >> > I am in North central IL. It is $2.58 for the > >> "cheap" stuff. I use > >> 93 octane > >> > Premium in the KLR and it is $2.78. We have had a > >> drought this > >> year so I > >> > have road my bike to work everyday since sometime > >> in June. We are > >> 11 inches > >> > behind on rainfall. I want it to rain, but the > >> thought of driving > >> my truck > >> > to work is not very appealing. Time to start > >> looking for a > >> Festiva, or a > >> > Metro I guess. > >> > > >> > Rick A17 > >> > > >> > dirtrooster2003 wrote: > >> > regular is about $2.30 to $2.40 per gal here right > >> now. (north > >> > carolina) > >> > > >> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Darren Clark > >> > wrote: > >> > > What is going on!?!?! > >> > > > >> > > It cost me US$18.93 to fill up my KLR this > >> afternoon! > >> > > > >> > > What is this world coming to! I remember is > >> costing less than > >> that > >> > to > >> > > fill up my truck. > >> > > > >> > > Oh well, more of a reason to ride my bike to > >> work as much as I > >> can. > >> > > > >> > > Darren Clark > >> > > > >> > > 2004 KLR 650 A-18 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Archive Quicksearch at: > >> > > >> > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > >> > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > >> www.dualsportnews.com List > >> FAQ > >> > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > >> > > >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > Yahoo! Mail > >> > Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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