brake pads: who uses what

[Cloyce D. Spradling]

On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 04:04:54AM -0000, Bill Ryder wrote: : Ya, you need a new patch. Or at least a George Bush sticker for your : scoot. (Only conservatives worry about noise pollution. Go ahead: : try to say you didn't vote for 'im). Wow. That's funny. Hold on, have to go get a towel. I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. I can hardly stand it. : More jokes. I need to stop. Yep. -- Cloyce A13 in Austin

[Ed Chait]

> On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 08:01:04PM -0700, Ed Chait wrote: > : I think it pisses them off when I refer to the stock exhaust as sounding > : like a "sewing machine." I should refrain from doing that. > > Damn right! It doesn't sound like a sewing machine (that's a BMW K-bike). > The stock KLR exhaust sounds like a lawn mower. Unless you've got a > tweety, > then it sounds like an old VW bug.

Yep, those Beemers sound electric to me, they're so quiet. The cops here switched to them a couple years ago. Very stealthy.

> > BTW, am I allowed to dislike loud pipes, think they're a Bad Idea, and not > be > PC? Or does one necessarily imply the other? I just want to know so I > can > figure out if I need to get another patch for my riding jacket.

Well, that would depend on your definition of "loud":) I have a Sportster with a set of Bassani Pro-Street pipes that could be extremely loud if I wanted it to be, but I don't start it up at 8am on Sunday, I don't gun and blip my throttle like an ass while sitting in traffic, and I certainly don't remove the baffles. ed A17

[Randall Marbach]

When people see my Valkyrie, they usually say " Nice Harley". I say " It's not a Harley,.. I've owned 3 Harley(s), but this time, I wanted something bigger and more powerfull." Strange as it may seem, however, nothing I've ever accomplished as a rider of a Harley (or Valkyrie, for that matter) in terms of skill/guts can compare to what I have accomplished on my KLR. Besides wrenching it myself, conquering Mikes Sky Rancho, Lytle Creek and the jeep trails of Death Valley come to mind. If only the public only could come to appreciate these silly little motorcycles for what they really represent in terms of motorcycling principles/freedom, maybe we would get more respect... but I'd settle for another 10 horse power. Randy from Burbank --- Ron Criswell wrote:

> Unfortunately the non riding public only knows > Harley. I know, they > constantly ask me when I tell them I'm a motorcycle > rider "Do you have > a Harley?" And when I tell them Kawasaki they seem > disappointed. They > then ask when I am going to get one (or the other > one that impresses > the non riding public - BMW). Brand and image do > make an impression. > Look what Hitler did with a lot of loud and a good > logo. But none the > less, loud bikes do piss off some and impresses > others. And I always > know when a Hog is passing my car without looking. > And I try to be very > careful passing with my stock muffler KLR. They > don't know I'm there. > > Criswell > On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 01:13 PM, Chris wrote: > > > Exactly. A generalization for sure, but most of > the open pipe types > > that I notice in my blind spot are hanging there > below the pace of > > traffic and keeping me from changing lanes when I > should be able to. > > A rider doesn't belong in a blind spot to begin > with, with about the > > only exception being a bumper to bumper jam on a > freeway. > > > > I use my gas between cars and make damn sure I'm > not where I shouldn't > > be. I don't need loud pipes to alert people to my > driving mistakes. > > I keep myself safe and don't rely on the other > drivers to do so. > > > > I just got home after riding behind Joe > Electraglide with open pipes > > and doing about five under the limit obstructing > traffic. Of course > > he had to sit there revving out the throttle at > each stop too. All > > that does is piss off the public. > > > > The _one_ loud bike that takes off down the > highway here is the one > > that I notice and it sticks in my mind, just > consider what the > > non-riding public thinks. > > > > On 8/7/05, Ron Criswell > wrote: > >> I once was considering getting back into street > riding but was > >> hesitant > >> about getting run over (again). A guy that used > to work on my bike and > >> built up race bikes just said "Go faster than the > cages and you won't > >> get run over." Some truth to that. Get out and > away from traffic and > >> keep a pocket of air (as much as you can) seems > to me the best way to > >> go. I think if you ride slow and careful you will > get run over. Jes my > >> theory. > >> > >> Criswell > >> On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Rick > McCauley wrote: > >> > >>> Loud pipes can just as easily scare an elderly > person at the last > >>> minute, and make them react in a negative way. > The best way to avoid > >>> an accident is to ride passively, and > defensively. In other words, > >>> keep your eyes open, and constantly scanning. If > a jerk does > >>> something > >>> stupid, let him have his way. You may be right, > but don't be dead > >>> right. How many times has someone been a real > bone head, and you > >>> think > >>> to yourself; where's a cop when you want one? > Sometimes I wish I had > >>> a > >>> Vickers .50 cal. machine gun on my vehicle. > >>> > >>> Rick A17 > >>> > >>> Ron Criswell wrote: > >>> People will hate me but I agree on the noise in > the blind spot. I > >>> always know where that Harley is in that blind > spot. > >>> > >>> Criswell > >>> On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. > Anderson wrote: > >>> > >>>> I really don't see the point in even making the > arguement about > >>>> noise > >>>> and > >>>> 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: > You can choose to > >>>> make > >>>> your bike noisy or not, but whichever you > decide, somebody else will > >>>> do it, > >>>> and people will make their judgements based > upon THEM - not > >>>> necessarily YOU. > >>>> > >>>> Your conscience should be your guide, not what > people who don't even > >>>> know > >>>> you think - unless of course your noise levels > violate your local > >>>> statutes, > >>>> in which case it's between you and law > enforcement. > >>>> > >>>> Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on > the stock system and > >>>> will > >>>> probably end up a little noisier at some point > in the near future > >>>> because > >>>> yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that > statistics may not > >>>> support > >>>> it, but for that brief moment I move through a > blind spot, a louder > >>>> exhaust > >>>> provides an additional clue to the Last Minute > Larry's who would > >>>> change > >>>> lanes into me that they better look around a > little more thoroughly > >>>> before > >>>> doing it. > >>>> > >>>> - > >>>> Kip > >>>> Eugene, OR > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Bill Ryder" > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM > >>>> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder > exhaust, no jetting. > >>>> Impossible? > >>>> (probably NKLR) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm > fairly learned and > >>>>> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant > to be more of a > >>>>> technical one and not a political/ethical one. > I probably shouldn't > >>>>> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike > louder as that really may > >>>>> have clouded the point of the post. > >>>>> > >>>>> I realize the politically correct crowd is > well intentioned and > >>>>> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make > the world a better > >>>>> place > >>>>> for us all, opposite people who see the world > burning and sit back > >>>>> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in > all sincerity. At > >>>>> the > >>>>> same time I personally prefer to confine my > own discussions of > >>>>> politics and ethics to threads dedicated > thereto rather then > >>>>> potentially bog down every single thread in > topics nowhere near > >>>>> what > >>>>> the originator intended to discuss. For that > reason in the future > >>>>> when I ask something like how to make my KLR > louder and get > >>>>> multiple > >>>>> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly > considered all ethical > >>>>> ramifications at length and need assistance in > determining how to > >>>>> be >

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[Cloyce D. Spradling]

On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 04:52:42AM -0000, Bill Ryder wrote: : Cloyce, you voted for him didn't ya? Bill, you got me. I live in Texas, so even if I didn't vote for him, I voted for him. : The "need to stop part"...that was a joke too. It's kind of : like...recursion. Actually, Bill, it's more like... iteration. (cf. ad nauseaum)

[Cloyce D. Spradling]

On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 04:52:42AM -0000, Bill Ryder wrote: : Cloyce, you voted for him didn't ya? Bill, you got me. I live in Texas, so even if I didn't vote for him, I voted for him. : The "need to stop part"...that was a joke too. It's kind of : like...recursion. Actually, Bill, it's more like... iteration. (cf. ad nauseaum)

[DWakefield]

Oh really?! Impress me. Keep on and win this.

>Oh for God sakes...please don't get me started. I'm just so good at

winning political debates...and no one but me seems >to believe so.

>Haha. I just wanted to know how to make my bike louder. God forbid I find

need to ask how to clone a chicken or >something.

>-Bill

[DWakefield]

Pissed off with the length of your emails - trim them for f*** sake. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Ryder Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 12:32 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ethics and Bad Name Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (probably NKLR) Now we're getting at solutions! Communicate to the public about why we want loud, and start fitting bikes with a quiet/loud dohickey. Come on you "please keep your bike non-offensive" people. Take that frown and turn it up-side-down. The sky is not falling. We just need social innovation. Now get me talking about global warming and my argument would take a 180 degree turn. There is no solution that includes dumping whatever you want, whenever you want into the environment. But loud bikes aren't causing cancer and disease. Hey, you guys started it. Hate to see what emails I get if I ask how to change the oil. "Someone might see you changing the oil and assume you'll pour it down the drain; only qulified cycle techs at dealerships should change oil." (Am I endearing you guys to myself, or starting to P*** everyone off...yet? Talking mainly to the PC crew. I'm sure the loud exhaust guys are laughing...or at least not P***ed off. -Bill

[DWakefield]

You are an absolute tool Bill. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Ryder Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 1:35 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ethics and Bad Name Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (probably NKLR) May I take this opportunity to add my agreement to all those who absolutely LOVE their KLRs. I road out to New Hope PA today and back and ya know what? I was happy. I mean, happy like you can't be at work, and can't be when the wife is mad. I was...HAPPY. I need no more power. I need no one's approval nor admiration. I just want to ride this thing, 24 hours a day. But Ed, I have to say...I don't think it sounds like a sewing machine, really, at all. I think it sounds more like a pencil sharpener. Or a can opener. Happy as I am to ride...I am still a man. If I want to be a girl and drive around in a buzz saw all in one shot I would have bought as Mazda Miata. That's now cut on women; women love Mazda Miatas! Women, can I get a witness? Hell I might even slap a SuperTrapp on a Miata if I have to drive one...just so people won't think I'm "funny." Haha, okay now I'm just plain testing the waters. This one'll get um, huh Ed? -Bill

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Chait" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Ryder" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:31 PM > Subject: Ethics and Bad Name Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, > no jetting. Impossible? (probably NKLR) > > > > Now we're getting at solutions! Communicate to the public about why > > we want loud, and start fitting bikes with a quiet/loud dohickey. > > Come on you "please keep your bike non-offensive" people. Take that > > frown and turn it up-side-down. The sky is not falling. We just > > need social innovation. > > > > Now get me talking about global warming and my argument would take a > > 180 degree turn. There is no solution that includes dumping whatever > > you want, whenever you want into the environment. But loud bikes > > aren't causing cancer and disease. > > > > Hey, you guys started it. Hate to see what emails I get if I ask how > > to change the oil. "Someone might see you changing the oil and > > assume you'll pour it down the drain; only qulified cycle techs at > > dealerships should change oil." (Am I endearing you guys to > > myself, or starting to P*** everyone off...yet? Talking mainly to > > the PC crew. I'm sure the loud exhaust guys are laughing...or at > > least not P***ed off. > > > > > > -Bill > > > I think it pisses them off when I refer to the stock exhaust as sounding > like a "sewing machine." I should refrain from doing that. > > After all, we have a certain fondness for our KLR's, and nobody likes having > it equated with a sewing machine. > > Even though it does sound like one. > > heheheheheheh, > > ed > A17 Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links

[Rick McCauley]

When someone uses the term loud pipes, I think of straight pipes. I don't think a Kerker header, or a Supertrapp slip on, are loud out of the box. But, personally, I find straight pipes just way too loud for any civil use. I like the sound of a mellow rumble. The key word being mellow. When it comes right down to it, we do NOT have the right to have loud pipes on our bikes. It is illegal. The DOT has set a limit of 83 decibels (the last I read) at a given engine speed (not sure where they figure it). All manufacturer's have to meet these requirements before the bike can be sold in the US. Why do you think Harley, or anyone else, doesn't offer a straight pipe version of their bikes? Some may think it is so they can sell you the straight pipes after the sale. Believe that if you want, but it is because they have to meet the legal requirements. Actually, if cops started enforcing the law, a lot of us would be in trouble. In some cases (like straight pipes) I wish they would. Rick A17 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

You are correct sir. When I was in High School, I got numerous excessive noise tickets. I have wondered how they get away with all these loud pipe cruisers these days. Criswell

On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 08:47 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > When someone uses the term loud pipes, I think of straight pipes. I > don't think a Kerker header, or a Supertrapp slip on, are loud out of > the box. But, personally, I find straight pipes just way too loud for > any civil use. > > I like the sound of a mellow rumble. The key word being mellow. When > it comes right down to it, we do NOT have the right to have loud pipes > on our bikes. It is illegal. The DOT has set a limit of 83 decibels > (the last I read) at a given engine speed (not sure where they figure > it). > All manufacturer's have to meet these requirements before the bike can > be sold in the US. > Why do you think Harley, or anyone else, doesn't offer a straight pipe > version of their bikes? Some may think it is so they can sell you the > straight pipes after the sale. Believe that if you want, but it is > because they have to meet the legal requirements. > > Actually, if cops started enforcing the law, a lot of us would be in > trouble. > In some cases (like straight pipes) I wish they would. > > Rick A17 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >